Pilko

Agreed.

Fuller! 2-1 Sidibe did so well for that goal.

THANK FUCK, A TITLE CHANGE

Matt Smith's horrific ties.

Keith Andrews is fucking shite, I'd sooner we kept Smith.

Traore isn't having a very good few weeks, is he?

Vela has failed to live up to that hype. He looks a painfully average player.

lol at all the Stoke haters. I don't mind them, I think they've done well to use their strong points.

I would go for Donaldson or Tavernier. I'm torn.

We also have the academy's James Taylor.

I would imagine he would. Do you keep in touch with your old PE teacher Nah, but I know a few people who will. I'll see what I can find out.

My old PE teacher's best mate. Wonder if he knows anything.

Good player, made of glass though.

He's still shite.

Harper Simpson Kadar Coloccini Enrique Guthrie Smith Nolan Gutierrez Lovenkrands Ranger

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL THAT is how you take a penalty, Defoe.

Pissed around last season? Some fantastic re-writing of history there. The manager at the time had a heart attack if you remember & hughton was put in temporary charge & tbh he was absolutely fucking shit and so they brought Shearer in. If anything Ashley's been far nicer to him than he should have been by giving him another chance this year. How is it re-writing history? The man was brought in to give Keegan a hand originally, wasn't he? The three or four times he was caretaker manager, the way he had to put up with Kinnear, the way he was demoted and undermined as Shearer and Dowie came in, despite him being told he was in charge for the season (and DO NOT say "well he was crap therefore Shearer was appointed", because Kinnear was just as bad and he got two contract extensions during his stay) and also the whole sale saga this summer where he didn't know if he was coming or going, along with the complete lack of transfer activity.... that just about signals "pissed around" to me.

BECKFORD

The way he was pissed around last season, and the beginning of this season. Also, the lack of backing in the transfer market. EDIT: directed at LLLO's comment.

I don't like Hughton as our manager because he's not a manager and never will be, as a person I'd give him 10 out of 10, as a manager I'd struggle to give him 5 out of 10. I haven't seen a single thing to make me change my mind on him and at this stage I can't see that changing. As for Monday, the problem was that we had a midfield of snail paced plodders and that's the way we played again today. We have absolutely no creativity and that has been the case for most of the season and I can't see that taking a turn for the better because it doesn't look like were even looking to change anything by bringing in new blood. Guthrie being quiet for 45 minutes proves nothing, I don't think anybody played well in the first half and the game only changed when we switched to 4-4-2 and had a go at them. I'll give him credit for making the change at half time, I'll not give him any credit for the way he set us up before that, him changing things at half time only balances out the original mistake. We can get away with players like Smith, Butt and Nolan against most teams in the Championship but not against the more mobile teams. The point I've highlighted makes no sense at all. The only central midfielders we have at the club are snail-paced plodders at best, so what else is Hughton exactly meant to do? His hands are pretty much tied in the transfer market, how many decent pacey central midfielders are you meant to get for £1m? I would have done the same thing if I was manager, I would have started the game by sticking in an extra midfielder, as we got butchered there on Monday night and need another player there to make up for the total lack of pace and awareness in that area. Funny also that you mention the lack of creativity in the side, we managed to create two goals today, create two occasions where we should have had penalties, along with a few times shots were saved for corners on top of that. Hughton is being made a fall guy for every single bastarding thing going wrong with this club. People accuse him of having no balls, but the fact the man has gone about his business with an air of dignity and done his ruddy hardest to get the team to the summit of the division suggests otherwise. The way he's been treated by Ashley is absolutely rotten, and the fact that loads of the fans seem to get on his back when the slightest thing goes wrong (even when we win but play badly, ffs!) is utterly pathetic. It may be obvious to some that I'm a Hughton sympathiser, but the attitudes of some (not just you, Mick) are starting to piss me off. We didn't lose the game because of Hughton today, that much is pretty much certain. It's 2-1, we have a second stonewall penalty turned down, and then at the other end a penalty is given the other way. What's to say that we score the penalty and go on to win the game? Hughton is a hero in that situation for turning the game around, when he hasn't done anything differently. The referee and one of the linesmen are the number one reasons why we lost today's game.

I wasn't happy with the team he chose, he set us up to try and stop them instead of having a go at them. We may have lost anyway but I think we would have had a better chance of doing something if we tried to have a go at them for 90 minutes. The main problem on Monday night was the fact we were totally over-run in midfield, therefore I think he went with Nolan withdrawn and one striker to try and combat that problem. Guthrie was selected in centre midfield as many people (myself included) have been crying out for since some bloke called Neil landed on the moon, and by all accounts he sounded dreadful there. To be fair Mick, I think you're a cracking poster and one of the best debaters on these forums, but it's painfully obvious to me that you just don't like Hughton that much, regardless of what he does and what our results are. As far as I'm concerned, Hughton's line-up today was well-balanced and was one that it was possible to win the game with. The man is far from perfect, and certainly not my choice by any stretch of the imagination, but today he got his team selection and substitutions spot on, and he is far down the list of reasons why we lost today. Well done to him as well for marching into the centre circle to confront the referee at full time, too. I'm pleased he showed the whole ground that he had something to say to the ref, and I hope that he says as much in his post match interviews. The attitude to Hughton on these boards in general is fucking shocking to say the least, as far as I'm concerned the man deserves a medal.

How many times has Defoe fluffed his lines from 12 yards?

Major scapegoating. I was happy with the team he chose, and factors beyond his control contrived against him today. We were total shit first half by the sound of things (including comments from those there) and fully deserved to be two goals down. How many people have been bleating about Guthrie getting a game in the middle (myself included)? He finally did and he had a shite first half according to both Supermac and my mate down there on the text. Today, Hughton was the least of our worries. No mention of Pancrate being correctly replaced at the break, funnily enough. Or how he managed to coax a second half showing out of Carroll? Some people (not necessarily you, Dave) are just happy to ignore the things he gets right and ppint the finger at him as soon as thing go tits up. He is far from perfect, but he's our fucking manager right now, and the attitudes of some people are completely cunting mental.

Major scapegoating. I was happy with the team he chose, and factors beyond his control contrived against him today.