Interpolic

I don't know ask Pardew why he decided to try and contain them from scoring then looking to nick one. I've said i didn't agree with that tactic but if Debuchy hadn't of got sent and Ebn Arfa nicks the goal, it's 3 points, didn't work this time for him though due to the sending off giving WB the advantage and reducing the chances of us nicking it big style like he would have planned. We should have approached it like Palace, weather we would have won like that or not we'll never know but that's how i would have set up. That approach (let's call it the West Brom approach) is far less effective than the Crystal Palace approach against lesser opposition, besides being less pleasing on the eye. That's why people have a problem with it, it's more likely to go wrong and is unnecessary, boring and tedious. It went wrong because one of his players let him down though. Just like one of his players might save him and get 3 points with individual brilliance as some put it, he was let down on this occasion by one of them. Goes around in circles, it's a risky tactic and one really we shouldn't be adopting against likes of West Brom. Killing the game as a spectacle and relying on magic is a shit tactic (especially against lesser opposition in poor form) and there is no excuse when it goes wrong, which it's more likely to than if you tried to exert your dominance and win the game as if it's, you know, an actual football match. It's as simple as that for me, no point discussing it any further.

Also, you keep harping on about Crystal Palace and I can see why because that's the only time I can remember us attacking lesser opposition for more than 45 minutes over the course of the last one and a half seasons.

I don't know ask Pardew why he decided to try and contain them from scoring then looking to nick one. I've said i didn't agree with that tactic but if Debuchy hadn't of got sent and Ebn Arfa nicks the goal, it's 3 points, didn't work this time for him though due to the sending off giving WB the advantage and reducing the chances of us nicking it big style like he would have planned. We should have approached it like Palace, weather we would have won like that or not we'll never know but that's how i would have set up. That approach (let's call it the West Brom approach) is far less effective than the Crystal Palace approach against lesser opposition, besides being less pleasing on the eye. That's why people have a problem with it, it's more likely to go wrong and is unnecessary, boring and tedious.

Why would we want to go to West Brom to get a point? Your argument is all over the shop man, seriously it's changing like the wind.

It's incredible that they neglect to mention that this space used to always be filled with advertising for other companies, as if this has just stopped and conveniently enough this space now acts as another SD showcase. They're lying arseholes.

I said that if you go out hoping to bore the opposition to death then you have no right to bemoan your luck when it doesn't work out. Debuchy being a moron made our task much harder, but equally we could have lost anyway as we weren't attacking the opposition in a way worth discussing. It was 60 minutes of nothing up to that point, which I would blame the manager for going by his post-match comments which seemed to suggest that was the plan, as it often is. Your over-simplification of people's arguments to make yourself look sensible is massively grating at times. It was clearly his plan to keep it tight then strike, introduction of Ben Arfa early suggested we would be trying to attack them more but we couldn't get him on the ball enough. Though i still bemused to why when through he stopped and let two defenders get back with him then try and take them on, the strange football brain of Hatem This is not me agreeing with his tactics, no reason why we couldn't control this match like we did with Palace. Pardew seems to over complicate things himself by chopping and changing when to control or not, sometimes it's worked, sometimes it's failed. Frustrating nonetheless. There's 2 blaming Pardew rather than Debuchy.

I said that if you go out hoping to bore the opposition to death then you have no right to bemoan your luck when it doesn't work out. Debuchy being a moron made our task much harder, but equally we could have lost anyway as we weren't attacking the opposition in a way worth discussing. It was 60 minutes of nothing up to that point, which I would blame the manager for going by his post-match comments which seemed to suggest that was the plan, as it often is. Your over-simplification of people's arguments to make yourself look sensible is massively grating at times.

We were rubbish before the sending off at West Brom, I'll never accept any of this 'hard done by' stuff when the team isn't attacking the opposition in a meaningful way. You play like that and you deserve what you get, whether you're undone by a sending off, an "unlucky" bounce, a bad refereeing decision or whatever. In games like that where you've a much better set of players than the opposition and are in far better form then the only way you can bemoan your "approach" not working is if you go out there to show your dominance but it still doesn't work out.

Yep, who is easy to control.

pardew? Of course he's not. i guess there will be no concurrence on this matter then, 'cause he's out of his depths imho top tier championship manager in charge of international footballers and our position and performances reflect this fairly accurately tbh Remit - League : Finish Top 10 FA Cup : Not Applicable League Cup : Not Applicable To say he's out of his depth is utterly laughable. People also have a habit of massively over rating our squad. We could probably this year 7th at best and if we had a really bad season 13th-14th. You know when people talk about ridiculous expectations - they're talking about you. The irony is the expectation is a product of Pardew's own high performance but that's no doubt lost on you. Ridiculous expectations is expecting the 7th or 8th best squad in the league to present a challenge to the top 6 and maybe not go out of every cup at the first or second hurdle every year. If you want to point fingers, then people like you are why those running NUFC have been able to get away with taking the p*ss out of fans for so long. Our squad isn't as good as you think - but we are challenging the top 6 - obviously. You're just helping me make my point. Oh and that highlighted section ;D ;D ;D Challenging the top 6, yeah. If you're the 7th or 8th best squad in the country then you don't aim for 7th or 8th, you aim for higher. So - is he out of his depth or isn't he? Yes, in the sense he'll never build a sustainable attacking philosophy with a squad that is clearly capable of it. That wasn't the question - nor was it part of the debate. However - how many Newcastle managers in the last 50 years met the above requirements? I answered your question. No - you changed the question to meet an agenda - the debate was nothing to do with style or philosophy it was to do with whether Pardew was out of his depth given the aforementioned remit. i.e Does Alan Pardew have the knowledge & skill to take the current team to a top ten finish. He's out of his depth as far as I'm concerned because his approach is built on sand and is boring to watch. He's not out of his depth in terms of the unambitious targets set by Mike Ashley but I'm not sure why you wanted me to answer from that perspective.

pardew? Of course he's not. i guess there will be no concurrence on this matter then, 'cause he's out of his depths imho top tier championship manager in charge of international footballers and our position and performances reflect this fairly accurately tbh Remit - League : Finish Top 10 FA Cup : Not Applicable League Cup : Not Applicable To say he's out of his depth is utterly laughable. People also have a habit of massively over rating our squad. We could probably this year 7th at best and if we had a really bad season 13th-14th. You know when people talk about ridiculous expectations - they're talking about you. The irony is the expectation is a product of Pardew's own high performance but that's no doubt lost on you. Ridiculous expectations is expecting the 7th or 8th best squad in the league to present a challenge to the top 6 and maybe not go out of every cup at the first or second hurdle every year. If you want to point fingers, then people like you are why those running NUFC have been able to get away with taking the p*ss out of fans for so long. Our squad isn't as good as you think - but we are challenging the top 6 - obviously. You're just helping me make my point. Oh and that highlighted section ;D ;D ;D Challenging the top 6, yeah. If you're the 7th or 8th best squad in the country then you don't aim for 7th or 8th, you aim for higher. So - is he out of his depth or isn't he? Yes, in the sense he'll never build a sustainable attacking philosophy with a squad that is clearly capable of it. That wasn't the question - nor was it part of the debate. However - how many Newcastle managers in the last 50 years met the above requirements? I answered your question.

Last year - of course - but there were obvious variables. If you've never seen a manager more ''out of his depth'' than a manager clearly not out of his depth you can't have watched much football at all. right then, so he's only not out of his depth when he has an adequate number of players fit and doesn't have too many games to play? i think you'll find that's part of the definition of a manager who is out of his depth we've done ok to date so far as injuries and games have been in his favour, we hit the festive period and things start to go against him and he's f***ed again...lost 3, possibly 4 to come and the stoke win was a f***ing gift He wasn't the only person to blame last year - he just took all of it. Teams have good form and bad form - this is again - obvious. If we kept up 7 wins in 10 we'd probably win the league. The players took plenty of the blame last year, to the extent that a few on here were saying they were overrated and no better than a lower bottom half team. History's been re-written again since then mind.

I don't think Liverpool is a fair comparison to most clubs in the country, let alone ours. Both clubs had won the same about of trophies in the 70s. Dat Ambition! Exactly. There isn't a club our size in Europe that has been waiting this long for a trophy and the divided nature of our support in terms of not demanding more certainly doesn't help, it hinders and people like Ashley take advantage. Do I need to dig up my list of shit clubs that have won trophies since 1969 again?

pardew? Of course he's not. i guess there will be no concurrence on this matter then, 'cause he's out of his depths imho top tier championship manager in charge of international footballers and our position and performances reflect this fairly accurately tbh Remit - League : Finish Top 10 FA Cup : Not Applicable League Cup : Not Applicable To say he's out of his depth is utterly laughable. People also have a habit of massively over rating our squad. We could probably this year 7th at best and if we had a really bad season 13th-14th. You know when people talk about ridiculous expectations - they're talking about you. The irony is the expectation is a product of Pardew's own high performance but that's no doubt lost on you. Ridiculous expectations is expecting the 7th or 8th best squad in the league to present a challenge to the top 6 and maybe not go out of every cup at the first or second hurdle every year. If you want to point fingers, then people like you are why those running NUFC have been able to get away with taking the p*ss out of fans for so long. Our squad isn't as good as you think - but we are challenging the top 6 - obviously. You're just helping me make my point. Oh and that highlighted section ;D ;D ;D Challenging the top 6, yeah. If you're the 7th or 8th best squad in the country then you don't aim for 7th or 8th, you aim for higher. So - is he out of his depth or isn't he? Yes, in the sense he'll never build a sustainable attacking philosophy with a squad that is clearly capable of it.

And the highlighted section's correct, Liverpool fans wouldn't stand for it and as a result they have largely been a club that is at least always trying to make itself better.

pardew? Of course he's not. i guess there will be no concurrence on this matter then, 'cause he's out of his depths imho top tier championship manager in charge of international footballers and our position and performances reflect this fairly accurately tbh Remit - League : Finish Top 10 FA Cup : Not Applicable League Cup : Not Applicable To say he's out of his depth is utterly laughable. People also have a habit of massively over rating our squad. We could probably this year 7th at best and if we had a really bad season 13th-14th. You know when people talk about ridiculous expectations - they're talking about you. The irony is the expectation is a product of Pardew's own high performance but that's no doubt lost on you. Ridiculous expectations is expecting the 7th or 8th best squad in the league to present a challenge to the top 6 and maybe not go out of every cup at the first or second hurdle every year. If you want to point fingers, then people like you are why those running NUFC have been able to get away with taking the p*ss out of fans for so long. Our squad isn't as good as you think - but we are challenging the top 6 - obviously. You're just helping me make my point. Oh and that highlighted section ;D ;D ;D Challenging the top 6, yeah. If you're the 7th or 8th best squad in the country then you don't aim for 7th or 8th, you aim for higher.

pardew? Of course he's not. i guess there will be no concurrence on this matter then, 'cause he's out of his depths imho top tier championship manager in charge of international footballers and our position and performances reflect this fairly accurately tbh Remit - League : Finish Top 10 FA Cup : Not Applicable League Cup : Not Applicable To say he's out of his depth is utterly laughable. People also have a habit of massively over rating our squad. We could probably this year 7th at best and if we had a really bad season 13th-14th. You know when people talk about ridiculous expectations - they're talking about you. The irony is the expectation is a product of Pardew's own high performance but that's no doubt lost on you. Ridiculous expectations is expecting the 7th or 8th best squad in the league to present a challenge to the top 6 and maybe not go out of every cup at the first or second hurdle every year. If you want to point fingers, then people like you are why those running NUFC have been able to get away with taking the piss out of fans for so long.

It does seem like Brett's decided to completely change his tack and adopt Happy Face's argument in full now.

Over 11 years ago like.

You were "banging for Hughton to be sacked"? Christ, the plot thickens.

Remember when Ranieri said Carlton Cole was the best young player he'd ever coached? Always been etched on my brain for some reason, he did look handy to begin with mind. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/2429087.stm

I love stuff like this. The label was justified yet you manage to make it sound like people were being unfair. We're playing less of it this season, nobody's denying that. Still very often an eye-wateringly tedious and frustrating team to watch.

It's been a fuck-up since last summer tbh, that squad would have needed a lot of freshening up even if Ferguson had stayed. Might be too late to sort now.