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On this subject, I saw this in Jamie Redknapp's column earlier: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2528100/JAMIE-REDKNAPP-No-reason-Tim-Sherwood-Tottenham-boss.html :lol: WTF? It's not fair to not give an entirely unproven youth coach one of the top jobs in the country on the strength of no evidence at all.

Your credibility is shot now Skirge, I'm gutted. Nah, I know what you meant - he definitely seemed to place a lot of importance on this game.

He never managed Palace.

It must be natural muppet day or something. Hey fellas, I think youre doing such an insprirational job but once NMD is over, please don't bother. Cheers.

2 short planks.

I do recognise it, all I'm saying is there is no indication as of yet that their home form will improve despite their run of 'easier' home fixtures coming up. Today they have played a team that as you say they could be expected to win, they didn't, and by match reports they were also outplayed. During these 'easier' home fixtures they are playing matches thick and fast. If they were to get a replay in the FA Cup they could play something like 12 games in 40 days. Yes the home fixtures they had at the start of the season can said to be 'harder' but saying they have 'easier' home fixtures coming up isn't the full story, in such case you are failing to recognise that these game will start to become more difficult not just because of the quality of opposition but because of fixture congestion, fatigue setting in, others teams with their own ambitions and targets etc. All of these external factors make these 'easy' home fixtures just as difficult as the 'hard' ones they had at the start of the season. What do you think about what I said earlier on about NUFC potentially being bottom at Christmas in 12/13 if the fixtures had fallen the same way? I'm not sure we would have gotten out of it. Like I said those 'easier' games would have become more difficult for other reasons, our run in form and spirits would have been even lower at this stage of the season than they were back then. I wouldn't have been confident in us being able to turn it around if that was the case. So the Premier League has fucked them with the fixture list in your opinion then, fair enough.

wot da fuk dey on aboot We certainly haven't won 400 Premier League away games.

I do recognise it, all I'm saying is there is no indication as of yet that their home form will improve despite their run of 'easier' home fixtures coming up. Today they have played a team that as you say they could be expected to win, they didn't, and by match reports they were also outplayed. During these 'easier' home fixtures they are playing matches thick and fast. If they were to get a replay in the FA Cup they could play something like 12 games in 40 days. Yes the home fixtures they had at the start of the season can said to be 'harder' but saying they have 'easier' home fixtures coming up isn't the full story, in such case you are failing to recognise that these game will start to become more difficult not just because of the quality of opposition but because of fixture congestion, fatigue setting in, others teams with their own ambitions and targets etc. All of these external factors make these 'easy' home fixtures just as difficult as the 'hard' ones they had at the start of the season. What do you think about what I said earlier on about NUFC potentially being bottom at Christmas in 12/13 if the fixtures had fallen the same way?

Today was their first home game of the season since the first that they could have been expected to win. You still don't seem to recognise the difference between home form and away form, particularly for a struggling team, which is probably a bit worrying for you if you've been watching this stuff for a few years mate.

My argument ain't void, you haven't even tackled my argument because you're hugely, almost impressively thick.

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He fucking is, it's ridiculous. He has one thread of a point and it doesn't matter what anyone else says, he's sticking to it aggressively. This time it's that only 1 other team have escaped from the same situation (regardless of any context) and there's no arguing with him. Massive, massive moron.

The fact remains that we had 7 more points than Sunderland do at this stage of the season. Only 1 team at this stage of the season have had a points total similar to that of Sunderland's and have stayed up. That team was WBA, in the process they won 5 more games and stayed up with some of the lowest points total needed to stay up. You can argue that they have had a difficult home set of fixtures to the season all you like. It kind of is a shit argument when you take into account their two wins so far have been at home against two of those so called difficult sides. Look at their other games, they have played games against teams around them and have lost the majority of them, Palace, WBA, Hull, and Villa. Yes last season if our fixtures were a little bit more harsh then we could have been in a similar position, but you know what, they weren't and we weren't in a similar position to them. Statistically speaking their chances of staying up are slim. Do they have a chance of staying up, yes they do, but it would require a massive turnaround. Even Reading and QPR last season who were in a similar position to Sunderland at this stage went under a good run of form but still went down because the turnaround required was too much. I'm arguing with a person that doesn't understand that most teams at the bottom base most of their season on their home form. FML. All of the points I've made have been completely disregarded, hence why it's pointless arguing with such a monumentally thick person. Yes last season if our fixtures were a little bit more harsh then we could have been in a similar position, but you know what, they weren't and we weren't in a similar position to them. That is an absolute fucking classic of yours "I do not accept that having harsher fixtures could have had us in trouble... oh right, they would have had us in trouble... well we didn't have those fixtures, so we didn't get in trouble". I've had more engaging conversations with a fucking toilet seat on a hangover. You really don't help yourself by not seeing there's not just a black and white situation in every case. So stop getting into football debates with me thanks, you know fuck-all and it's a waste of time. Cue: how much would you like to bet that Sunderland will stay up even though that's not what I'm saying. You're an even bigger moron than the N-O perception.

wow we beat Crystal palace Soz like, dawg.

Actually - NUFC 2012/13 after 17 games had 17 points, having only played 3 of Spurs (W), Man Utd (L), Man City (L), Chelsea, Sunderland, Liverpool and Arsenal at home, so we'd picked up 3 points against these sides. After that point we picked up just 3 points in the remainder of those 4 fixtures, so take potentially as many as 9 away from 17 and stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Stifler. We could have quite easily been in a similar position last year with the same run of fixtures. Too complicated, didn't read? Give your Rain Man impression a rest once in a while and appreciate that there's more to it than that only 1 team have recovered from being in this position in Premier League history. It's a weird season and they're showing signs of improvement in their performances and have the transfer window to add talent, they're not finished quite yet.

The team I support were not on 10 points at this stage of the season and were never in this position, if we had have been then we would have went down. Ah you're not worth arguing with.

It's not massively unlikely, they have almost as much chance as anyone else down there of getting out of it. A few wins and they're back in with a chance, let's just hope they don't pick them up. I reckon end of January if they're still drawing home games then you can say they're probably doomed.

Come the end of the season they have those games away. Didn't Blackburn have a similar scheduale at the start of the season they went down? What you are missing to mention is that if their home fixtures so far have been hard then their away fixtures have been easy, in that case how come they haven't won one of them? This game today was the second of thier winning run and the second draw. they need to be beating teams in/around them. Big big ask for them to turn this around. Exactly what I have been saying. Away from home they have played Southampton, Crystal Palace, West Brom, Swansea, Hull, Stoke, Aston Villa, and West Ham. Fair enough Swansea and Southampton are difficult places to go, but the rest of them are teams around them and out of all of those fixtures they have taken 3 points (3 draws). Crystal Palace, West Brom, Hull, and Stoke are all teams around them and they have lost all of those games and to Swansea who are obviously a little bit more of a challenge. Chaotic and confidence-shot (and pretty shit playing staff-wise tbf) club in bad away form shocker. I'm not saying they'll stay up, I'm saying you can't write them off now when they're 4 points off the pace and have 10 home games that don't include the top 5 or 6 teams.

Also, the team you support managed to stay up by 5 points (effectively 6) while only picking up 2 away wins all season (in January/May).

Come the end of the season they have those games away. Didn't Blackburn have a similar scheduale at the start of the season they went down? What you are missing to mention is that if their home fixtures so far have been hard then their away fixtures have been easy, in that case how come they haven't won one of them? Seriously man, comprehension skills.

We're 500/1 to win the title on Paddy Power, sticking a tenner on it when I get paid.

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Doubt many teams in the past have had as many difficult home games as Sunderland so far though, that's where shite like this usually pick up the vast majority of their points. Fulham (lost), Arsenal (lost), Liverpool (lost), Man Utd (lost), NUFC (won), Man City (won), Chelsea (lost), Spurs (lost), Norwich (drew). That's 7 out of 9 of their home games (if you include us) that have been incredibly tough on the face of it, I'm not saying that guarantees anything but they have 10 home games against less threatening opposition now to save their season, so it's not as cut-and-dry as comparing to previous seasons. They need to turn it around soon though, as I say. If they're not picking up wins by mid/late January you'd probably say they were fucked.

Same, only caught the last 20 minutes but we were ace during that period. Attacked them until the final whistle, which is nice.

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