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That’s one of the reasons why I have been impatient on it. As soon as Man Utd, Liverpool, and PSG sort their grounds out, both the Premier League, and UEFA will change the rules.

Man Utd are fucking up Englands chances of getting an additional European slot.

2nd yellow I think.

Yeah it was, it was listed primarily because of it’s internal architecture, and that was ripped out without permission.

It was replaced a few years back, like for like after vandals smashed the fuck out of it.

It is part of their city centre, it is on the Northern edge, similar to SJP, but it is in the city centre.

English heritage do not give a fuck, and will fight you every step of the way. There have been cases where they have taken legal action against property owners who have replaced cast iron guttering with faux cast iron guttering. You absolutely won’t be able to rip the bandstand out, and if you do, you might as well go and fill in the duck pond, and turn every tree in the park into sawdust. It’s an absolute non-starter, and if the reason why for the last 30 years no one has tried it, and one of the reasons why Ashley sold the club for £300m, and not much more.

Off topic, but I seriously doubt many people have been to Sunderland. The SOL is in the city centre, it’s just as close to their main shopping street, as SJP is to Northumberland Street. The fact that it’s over the river deceives a lot of people.

Except that is building on the listed Leazes Park, and more importantly, one of the main reasons why it’s listed, the bandstand. If it was that easy, they would have started it by now.

It’s still a listed park.

It is really. 60k is too small, but 70k with the ability to take it to 80k easily enough if demand holds is great. Let’s remember that Man Utd don’t have 80k seater stadium, Liverpool won’t even have that much when they are done with their expansions. I can’t see us needing a stadium capacity much higher than 80k.

Morwick Dairy milk and ice cream stands in the stadium.

But how soon until we need concrete?

Aye, Sandy Lane is an absolute bastard of a road, and it’s not just limited to rush hour either. It randomly just clogs up all the time. Also, the racecourse is not the city centre, it will be a no go for many on that basis alone, and it is on the boundary of North Tyneside, and Northumberland.

You expecting the ballot system to improve like?

It’s not SJP that you need to overlay on top of potential sites, but some of the new mega stadiums, Spurs’, SOFI, Mercedes Benz etc.

We already have too much of a history with our fans and horses, could you imagine the scenes if we have fans streaming out after a defeat and they drunkenly stumble across the race track? Not a hedgerow high enough for a horse to practice jumping over that would be as big as an east stander lying on the track. Bad enough having Amnesty after us, let alone PETA.

Yeah. It also changes dramatically if we have a removable surface. Spurs’ stadium, and Atlanta’s has shown how different sports and events can be held there easily. Who’s to say that in 10 years time, maybe if PIF bought the Newcastle Falcons, then they might be getting a decent crowd behind them and could play regularly at SJP as well. As I said earlier in the thread, if we get something like ones of stadiums, good amount of corporate facilities, and the capacity of over 70k, then we’ll leave the vast majority of clubs behind due to the income it would generate.

Honestly, they bought the Stack land because it was unknown what they could and couldn’t with SJP, however in the consultation for the buildings they were going to build there, it was clear that it would prevent the club from putting a level 7 on the Gallowgate. A smaller extension of the Gallowgate was possible, but not a full one. So they bought the land just incase they needed it, because if they didn’t, the club would have to move from the SJP for any meaningful expansion. The land maybe used for a rebuilt SJP, or if we go to Castle Leazes, we could build a permanent fan park there, depending on how popular it proves to be long term. The club may also sell it to developers, as it happens one of the owners is from a massive property developer family.

The city doesn’t own vast areas of land you know. They can help with purchasing land via CPO’s etc, but they don’t own that much land.

Not only that, but if we could get a 70k capacity stadium, then we’ll end up being untouchable to most clubs. The amount of income it would bring in, the amount of fans it would help create/maintain etc, it would mean that save for a 1 off really bad season, we will never finish below the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Crystal Palace etc ever again.

I’m happy with it being a rebuild, but as you say, it’s likely to be an underwhelming project, with minimal capacity increases if it is SJP.

Nah, it would still be a tight site, but would have more room than SJP, or Castle Leazes. I have done rough size comparisons of various new build state of the art stadiums, like Spurs’, SOFI etc. The only one that has the ability to fit on Castle Leazes is Atlanta’s Mercedes Benz stadium, even then it is very tight. However that does allow us a capacity of 73,000, and that is with a reduced/semi-open stand behind one of their goals. The arena site alone should be large enough, with the additional potential to buy the buildings all the way up to Scotswood Road. You could also use the disused track bed/railways bridges to create walkway to Central station. The downsides to the Arena site is that is further away from the retail core of the city centre. It also would be worse off for public transport, with only 1 Metro station being near, potential Monument as well. It is not near the traditional bus stations though, which would have to be balanced out for late KO games.

Just do an Ashley, announce it as soon as an international break comes around. International break after this weekend.

It’s the staff colours. Both club shop staff, and NUFC Foundation staff are given that Green colour.