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I was in the same class at school as his dad. He was a Newcastle fan.

Gallowgate went all seater at the start of the 94/95 season and was briefly renamed the Exhibition Stand. Was still a terrace during our first PL season, although they chopped it in half for the 2nd part of that season as the new stand was constructed.

Aye that's the standard 1 year price now and you'd have to assume a 5% rise or thereabouts for next season so his £19 per game ticket will become a £40 per game ticket. A lot of season ticket holders are in for an almighty shock I know that much.

Not sure about their financial position or what their annual turnover is but clearly a net spend of £130m for a newly promoted team is a massive gamble. Tbh it would be a massive gamble if PSR rules weren't even there as you point out. We've seen plenty of horror stories over the years of clubs who've got to the promised land, went in balls deep and have suffered the consequences for years to come. They've just added a further risk now.

You look at Wolves when we played them last week and they're on a different planet altogether from Sunderland with the talent they have in their squad. That's basically who they'd need to finish above. At the moment it's Everton and Spurs just above them and they aren't going anywhere. They are probably talking a spend of near enough £50m just to satisfy the clauses in the players they already have there before they even start to strengthen. Looking at Leicester and Ipswich. They absolutely wiped the floor with the Championship last season with 97 and 96 points respectively. Both had far better squads than the current Sunderland squad. Leicester will almost certainly go straight back down and it's very likely Ipswich do. Southampton are just embarrassing themselves. Their approach to it if they do come up will be interesting if nowt else.

Think Ipswich have taken the Nottm Forest approach after promotion. Obviously Forest took the points deduction last season and it's actually worked out well for them but it comes with massive risks which is why most promoted teams won't go down that route. I'm not sure it will work out so well for Ipswich, although of the 3 Promoted teams they look like the only team with a slight chance of staying up but ultimately I think Wolves will finish above them.

It's an absolutely ridiculous risk which is probably the reason other promoted clubs aren't doing it and simply accepting their fate. Plus Leicester pulled the Premier Leagues pants down so expect a loophole to appear now to stop that happening again.

So they'd be fucked either way then. Just a year later. That squad they've got now needs upgraded in more or less every position if they want to give themselves even half a chance of staying up. They can't invest as they need to without breaking PSR rules, and that's assuming the bairn who runs them could get access to any money in the first place. Even in the top league Sunderland don't generate the money. Their best player of the past few years by an absolute mile looks completely out of his depth in a poor Ipswich team. That's what they're up against. The gap between the 2 leagues is now a massive chasm. Tbh that's not a good thing but it's why all 3 promoted teams were relegated last season and the same will likely happen this season. Never used to be the case.

If they come up they are next seasons Southampton without massive investment, which won't be possible even if that kid who runs them was prepared to put his hand in his pocket, due to PSR rules.

Agree. Thinking back to when SJP was 36k probably 99% of the crowd was seated and the atmosphere was generally better than it is now. Also, staying in the 1990s, in our first few seasons in the Premier League the majority of our away support actually sat down and we had a better away crowd than we have now. Definitely more about getting like minded people grouped together and take it from there.

Must admit I used to love it! Moved my season ticket up unto the Level 7 singing corner when it was created and my seat was just a few seats off the divide. For the mackem 5-1 game it was just unreal! The piss taking was just immense, the look of complete and utter utter despair and misery on mackem faces as they tried to escape early was something I'll never forger. Priceless! Was a sad day when Ashley took the huff and killed it off.

Started with Eintracht v Dortmund but thought I'd give Burnley v mackems a go since it's a top of the table clash. Won't be tuning back in for the 2nd half that's for sure

Managed 10 mins of it before switching over. That was beyond rubbish and an awful advertisement for the standard of the Championship considering that's 2 of the beat teams! Like watching a different sport when compared to what we're watching every week.

This thread has started me reminiscing about the olden days. All the characters that used to go to the matches who you don't see anymore. Each section had it's own identity. The Corner was mental. You'd go in there with your mates and you were guaranteed to get split up as soon as the first rendition of the Blaydon Races went up (usually within the first 5 mins) and everyone surged forwards on the chorus. The Scoreboard was brilliant as well. I actually preferred it to the Corner, especially towards the back. The banter flying backwards and forwards always good as well. "Why's the Corner full of shit"? Then you went into the Milburn Stand over to the Leazes Section. A slightly older crowd than the Gallowgate. More blokes in their 30s/40s. That was my favourite part of the ground. Very noisy and always had the wittiest songs. Singing Terry Butcher on the Dole to the mackems for about 20 mins non stop when we beat them 1-0 one of many highlights. Then you'd have the Leazes End and all the students and young 'uns who'd congregate right up against the away fans in the little corner bit and just rip the piss out of them constantly. Back in those days the away end only held 950 and not many teams filled that! Then you'd move into the East Stand where you had the benches. Always well populated by some absolute lunatics who would give the opposition players and referees just constant abuse due to their close proximity to the pitch. Looking back it just felt like every end had its own little identity. You'd pick your section depending on what you wanted, sometimes even your mood! Glad I got to experience it anyway.

Hahaha cheers!

Remember playing Port Vale in the 3rd Round of the FA Cup back in 1993. We were in the Milburn E Paddock directly underneath all those crackerjacks who used to sit in the Milburn Stand Leazes Section. Me and a group of my mates started singing "When the beans come out the tin" and after a slow start it caught on and those in the Milburn Stand above us joined in. One of my prouder moments at SJP

Was always UNITED (clap 3 times). Not sure exactly when the Toon bit crept in but I think the first time a remember it was when we were playing Man Utd at home probably 20 years ago or so. Their away fans were singing "UNITED" and to drown them out our lot were shouting TOON in between and it seemed to catch on from then.

Liverpool lost around 4,500 seats when they expanded the Anfield Road end. Capacity dropped from just under 55k to just over 50k during the redevelopment. Now at 61k.

Nah been there done that. Was shite. This is better!

I just don't see how PIF could possibly think of that as a viable solution for them. The costs would be ridiculous, given the challenges they'd need to overcome, and from their POV, spending all that money to create 6/8k of what would have to be the cheapest seats in the house makes literally zero sense.

I wasn't there so can't comment on exactly what I was said. A quick Google search just says that they said it would 'double revenue" so who knows. For me as a former ST holder, and now member, if they built a new stadium in Leazes Park or Castle Leazes that had 20k more seats than SJP, even allowing for 5k of those being corporate, that gives me (along with 1000s of others) a far better opportunity to watch my team, and as vital as the extra revenue is in this day and age, that's what it's really about for me if I'm being truly honest. As big as football is these days, it doesn't exist without the supporters.

Can only take them on face value as they'll know far more than me or you. I mean they could be lying because they want to build a new stadium and it's one way to get fans onside more with the promise of having a much increased transfer kitty but they've barely put a foot wrong since they arrived so I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt. If it was Mike Ashley, a proven liar, telling me this, that may not be the case!

We already are making considerably more money from commercial deals than we were 3 years ago and that will continue on a upward trajectory, especially if we qualify for Europe again this year.

You want our fans to pay what Chelsea fans do to watch their team? The club have said a new stadium could double revenue. For arguments sake let's say our current turnover is £250m a year. Doubleling that is a game changer for us, regardless of what any graph says.

Senior people at the club have already said a new stadium could double our revenue. That would clearly make a huge difference to what we can and can't do.