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They'd be pulled apart of that because the consensus around the country is that Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal have a shit atmosphere. In reality none of them are any worse than ours. Even Arsenal have started to get their act together.

Disagree. Most TicTok'ers, YouTuber's put stuff in their content for "likes", in other words what people want to hear and praising the likes of Newcastle and Leeds is always a guaranteed "win" for them. Speaking as someone who has visited every PL ground (other than Bournemouth and Brentford) I'd say our atmosphere ranks somewhere in the middle these days. In times gone by we were right up at the top. We are nowhere near Leeds who have both ends behind the goals stood and singing more or less non stop. Even Man Utd who get a lot of stick for atmosphere have fans to the right of the away end who are very vocal plus a sort of unofficial singing area of around 6k in the Upper tier of the Streford End who stand/sing. They also have around 20k people who stand every match currently. As a comparison I'd say we have maybe 500 max. We don't have a "home end" like a lot of clubs do where likeminded fans can congregate together. Everyone is just mixed in. I was at the Liverpool match the other week and ended up in L7 right next to the away fans as they were the only seats we could get and our support is completely inaudible from up there. Unfortunately a lot of our fans were unable to access SJP throughout most of the 1990s and we are paying for that now. Most of the people who watch NUFC these days are either 50+ or are kids. There isn't a great deal in between and it's that age group who traditionally make the noise. It's another reason why I think safe standing will be less well supported here than anywhere else. Unless we get a new 70k stadium amd ultimately a blank canvas to work with or at least get another 8/10k seats at SJP which will give them some room to play about with things I don't really see things getting much better. Certainly a small token gesture of 2k or so standing places makes no difference. I'm pleased that the 2 lads off here who went along to the meeting represented us very well and that they are on the same page as me when it comes to this, but they said themselves that the room was largely filled with older people and the facts are that it's those older people who represent the majority of the crowd at SJP these days. Not meaning to generalise here, and of course there are exceptions, but, in the main, older people prefer to sit down than stand and are less inclined to sing and get all radged up! That's just how it is and that is where our problem lies amd unfortunately you can't just fix the demographic of the crowd. That's just the way it is. It's more elderly than others, and more grumpy as well!

That was the year we got our season tickets. 1991/92 season, also East Stand (family enclosure). Crowds dipped below 15k a couple of times but even back then you had the Corner and the Scoreboard singing, the Leazes next to the away fans and also the Milburn Stand Leazes wing which always sounded the loudest because of the roof. Looking back we had a totally different type of fanbase than we do now.

Keep up the great work @TheGuv Such an important topic which could shape the atmosphere at SJP for generations to come.

Seen this on Twitter earlier. The perfect example of both a visual and vocal display of support and take note of how slowly and all in time with each other they sing. I actually watched this game on BT and the atmosphere was incredible from start to finish and certainly influenced the result.

Their cover has been blown on a multitude of occasions about this.

And people wonder why the Leazes End is an absolute embarrassment these days. It's because the majority of those who inhabit it these days are exactly the same as that prick.

Think this is the way to go about it. Pick a section (ideally the Gallowgate which been the traditional home end for best part of 50 years now) and say this is going to be the safe standing area. Anyone already there is welcome to stay there but you'll have to be happy to stand for 90 minutes. If they want to leave for another area the club should help them do this or maybe even offer a little sweetener by letting them move to the East Stand or another more expensive area and freeze their ticket price for 3 seasons or something along those lines. No point in putting 2k or whatever in a little corner because that's a drop in the ocean in a 52k stadium. It doesn't need trialled, other clubs have already done that for us so they need to go all in and do it properly.

This. 1.5-3k probably not worth doing as it's not enough to make a marked difference. As I said further up I was at Stamford Bridge on Tuesday night. They have a capacity of 40,000 and around 12k of that is safe standing. Wolves and Spurs also have full ends behind the goals as safe standing. If they're not going to do it properly they might as well just leave it as it is, rather than going through all the upheaval of moving season ticket holders for the sake of a couple of thousand standing places.

Just don't see the point. Invisible and inaudible to huge parts of the rest of the ground. Just do the full stand. Token gestures are pointless.

If you're in the first few rows it's brilliant. I hate it at the back though. You just feel detached from the whole thing.

You can't compare football attendances from best part of quarter of a century ago to now though. The popularity of football is at an all time high. We're selling oit for early round League Cup games these days. There's only Southampton in the PL that don't sell out every week. That was unheard of till not all that long ago. I think 65k is the perfect number for Newcastle United.

Entire Gallowgate, absolutely perfect. Gallowgate Upper only, absolutely pointless.

Screenshots of tickets, whether its standard barcode or a QR code don't necessarily work like the original as I've found out before!

We were up in block A of the Milburn Stand L7 for the Southampton Semi Final. Absolutely horrific and genuinely I'd rather not go to the match than have to sit there again.

Moving some of our most loyal (and definitely loudest) fans out of the Milburn Stand Leazes Wing to make way for the Platinum Club still is to this day an absolute disgrace. Fletcher/Shepherd/Hall couldn't give a shite about the atmosphere, it was always about the coin up front which is why we had over 33k season ticket holders in a 36.5k stadium which locked 1000s out of ever seeing NUFC at home and ruined the atmosphere and it's never recovered.

I'd be pushing for the entire Gallowgate. I was at Stamford Bridge last night and got to say the atmosphere there was brilliant. Really took me by surprise and a large % of the crowd being stood up definitely helped. You had the lower section of the Matthew Harding stand (around 6k) stood the entire match (that is a safe standing area) and the entire Shed End which is also a safe standing area and holds around 6.5k was also stood the entire match although around 2.5k of those in that area were Dortmund fans. So that's well over 12k safe standing places they've made available, which is roughly the same as the capacity of the Gallowgate End. We were in the West Stand and many in there were also stood for a lot of the match despite it being a seated area. One thing I noticed was that they seem to have a younger fanbase than we do. Ours seems to be either old men or young families but not much in between and many at Chelsea were in the 20-40 age group which clearly helped with the atmosphere as it had a really vibrant feel about it and also explains why a large proportion of tbe crowd stood. Standing definitely helps when it comes to atmosphere. After last night I'm more convinced than ever that standing massively improves atmosphere. We need to go all out to make sure we get as many safe standing places as possible at SJP. Hope it all goes well for you tonight and that it's very productive@TheGuv

They are well known for doing this as well as adults going in on concession season cards. This is just Sunderland trying to cut that out. Can't blame them really. It's what happens when your fanbase is made up of the dregs of society.

Aye they have an even more limited songbook than we do! Expecting most of the noise to come from the German contingent.

Long story but I'm at Stamford Bridge tomorrow for Chelsea v Dortmund. They have safe standing behind both goals (probably 10k+ safe standing places). I'll report back

Agree with that. Man Utd are decent (when they're winning), Leeds are OK (although never that loud up here) and that's about it. I was in the next block along from the Liverpool fans at SJP the other week and they were terrible considering they had the game wrapped up early in.

Aways preferred the Scoreboard when I started going with my school mates in the late 80s until we got season tickets in the seats in '91. Think the corner was a bit too wild for me!

I'm not one of these who thinks SJP is sacred and we 100% should never leave it, as it's completely unrecognisable from when I started going there 40 years ago. It sits on the same patch of land and that's it. However some flat-pack put of town stadium is definitely not the way to go. If we can't get castle Leazes or the Arena site a new stadium is a no go as far as I'm concerned. As I said further up, extending the Gallowgate in line with Leazes and Milburn would give SJP an identical design and capacity to Celtic Park and they have no issues in generating an atmosphere when need be. Ultimately it's about getting as many like minded people as is physically possible all in the same area and in theory everything should fit into place after that.

I like it!

Ideally they could go in the corner just under the Sky Studios as that is the biggest corner by far as it also has a Level 4 whereas the other 3 corners are are only Level 2. Think it holds around 3k. I remember Arsenal fans were put there for a League Cup game about 12/13 years ago and they had 3,500 fans there with a small overspill into the Leazes End. Having home fans either side of them as well as above them would be canny as well I reckon. I've never been keen on having away fans above us and as we improve and become more disliked it could well cause more problems. I assume everyone seen the disgraceful scenes the other week at the Etihad where several home fans, including a young girl, were badly injured by Liverpool fans throwing objects (including a pint glass filled with 1p and 2p coins) down onto home fans below. Clearly the problem with that though is that the Platinum Club fans would kick up a fuss paying £1k a season to have away fans abusing them every week so it's a non starter really.