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They are one of the most popular bets but the absolute worst value. I used to get stacks of them varying in values, one guy did a £50 Lucky once (that's £750 total stake btw), and in a horrible shop in Shepherd's Bush there was a guy who would do about thirty 1p e/w Lucky 63's every day. The most common return for him, after nothing of course, was about 4p. You get far better value off a Patent, and that's why you get no bonuses with them. I generally only bet in doubles at most, but will sometimes chuck in a sneaky Patent. Your professional punters will lump in hard on singles supplemented with the occasional high stakes doubles on ridiculous dead certs. They stay well away from multiples. If you really want to waste your money do a football accumulator for a small stake. Cap it at six teams though, I think I've seen a 7-fold come in twice in my life.

Just a bit of information for you here pal. A Lucky 15 as an average payout percentage of 7%. That's why the bookies love them and give stupid Bonuses. They know for every £1 staked on a L15 nationwide they will make 93p. Stop doing them.

You can just update the times anyway. Good stuuf. Thanks.

Hey, you might be useful. Thought that meself. Surely you'd know good markets to avoid/aim for and general tips to minimise idiotic, needless bets at least, even if you can't guarantee money? I'll be no use man, it's been a good few years since I last worked in the betting shops. The only stuff I learnt is that 999 out of 1000 people who bet know absolutely fuck all about it, and that gambling addiction is a nasty business. When I worked there I knew a lot about racing as I was watching it every day and reading the post from cover to cover. I'm well out of the loop. My wife is still working at hill's but she know nowt about sport. She doesn't even look at the bets man, just takes the money.

Considering taking the iPad complete with betting apps to work with me. Might get involved in this thread for once. I will warn you though, I very rarely win anything. Although my 6 years as a manager for William hill has made me a very nervous punter. I just don't have the minerals to go in big, so I will lose little and often.

That's an amazingly epic Neesyism.

So..... Anybody get a point tonight?

38/39

I'm shit at this. That is all.

I am in absolute pieces here like. There just simply aren't enough LOL's to express it.

Final Germany vs France - Germans win. Top scorer Klose Player to watch Ribery, I think he will finally live up to the hype. How far will England go? Quarter Finals Most looking forward to The many Poles in my street having a massive party. Least looking forward to An injury to Cabaye or Ben Arfa. Bound to happen. Best Hodgson moment In the last minutes of the Quarter-Final, abandoning all hope, Woy goes for a 0-1-2-8 formation with Joe Hart in the central striker role.

I'm in. Tim Krul's Huge Hand -------------------------------Szczesny----------------------------- Jones----------Chiellini--------------------Pique-----------Lahm Eriksen------------Cabaye--------Schweinsteiger---McGeady -----------------Huntelaar---------------Jelavic-------------------- Boom.

Did anyone get that this chap doesn't mess about? No? Just me then. These photos should be used as evidence in a High Court motion to recommend the removal of Wearside from the UK, like when the isolated Springfield in the Simpsons Movie.

I have a sneaking suspicion MalcomW may be Rob and Ian W's dad.

Fuck that shit. Eurostar baby.

Rennes would be nice, I could visit the ancestral home of my family.

Eh? how? Chelsea would get the 4th CL spot and as compensation the 4th place team would be granted a EL place. This would be an ADDITIONAL place and not take away from the other ones awarded to the English FA. It would go a bit like this. 1 Man Utd/Man City - CL 2 Man City/Man Utd - CL 3 Arsenal/Spurs/NUFC - CL 4 Arsenal/Spurs/NUFC - EL - Additional Place 5 Arsenal/Spurs/NUFC - EL 6 Chelsea - CL as Winners 7 Everton/Fulham/Liverpool - EL - FA Cup place allocated to highest league place 8 Everton/Fulham/Liverpool - EL - Carling Cup place. Everton or Fulham could finish 8th and get it as long as Liverpool come 7th. If I've missed anything, and I probably have, feel free to let me know. The bottom line is that we are now guaranteed Europa League next season. Well done everyone at NUFC OP Updated

Just got home from work, ridiculously excited about tonight. I've got a feeling [/will.i.am] that tonight's gonna be a good night. Woo Hoo.

Anyone down for this one? Fancy a few shandy's (well, i am southern) beforehand and wondered if any of you reprobates were around.

Dave right back in there with a power bomb, gimp is down, can the Dave-a-tron get the pin? 1...................... 2.......................... ??????

Hands down, best post of the year. Had me and my daughter in stitches. Fuck off, I posted that last night. Gimp is a thief! It's all about timing and context, the Dave. Gimp wins.

Hands down, best post of the year. Had me and my daughter in stitches.

Going to this so we better win. 3 games before the FA Cup Final, CL Final on their mind, really think they'll struggle for points in the league in the run in. If Pards can get the team focused on the game and forgetting today's abomination I think we'll win. I go in to the game with hope, which is worrying. We win 3-1. Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Colo.

Stuck at a kids party. Just logged in to check the score. What in the name of fuck is going on!