Away Toon

That seems a bit unnecessary. I've always liked Mbemba, though I always liked Titus as well.........

He has none of the natural ability that Titus had, just shares the lack of concentration he had.

He looks to be by far the most talented CH we have, though unfortunately he always looks like he might have a mistake in him. If Rafa can get him to concentrate for the whole match we will have a hell of a player.

19 corners, 22 shots but only 4 on target, that's shocking.

Fouls like Colbacks which are actually assaults rather than anything else should be automatically red carded not yellow. They call them professional fouls, though there's nothing professional about them at all.

Anybody still thinking we don't need a complete rebuild should have a look at Palace who are fighting relegation. I don't think we have a player who would get in their starting line up and only 3 or 4 who would be good enough for their squad.

Fantastic atmosphere at Palace, probably the best in the league at the moment.

I don't think people are fuming just getting used to the unavoidable truth that not only are we not very good, we are also dire to watch. Still get promoted mind though we won't be champions.

That's also a load of bollocks. I don't see how. We hardly have a player fit to play in the premier league. Burnley, Bournemouth, Leicester, Hull and Boro have gone up with much better squads recently than what we currently have.

We are going to be one of the worst teams to get promoted for a long time.

You must be watching a different game if you think that was Darlows fault.

I know we are going to get promoted, but that says a lot more about how terrible this league is than anything that is good about us. Everyday I see us play we are downright uninspiring at best and rank the rest of the time.

Lucky, lucky, lucky

We are slow and ponderous, Perez running in treacle as usual, the worlds slowest footballer. Fletcher misses a sitter.

Could Ritchie play in centre midfield? He's not liable to have a lot of impact as a winger next season.

That would just about get us fighting for a European place. We probably need to spend a 100m not to be fighting relegation.

I don't think Rafa works on different tactics, he works on the same tactics, shape, control, discipline, all within the restraints of a rigid 4-2-3-1. It's relatively successful at this level, however entertaining and good to watch it isn't.

I wonder who won him the two league titles in Spain with a club that wasn't one of the big 2? He didn't win it once which you could put down as a fluke but you don't usually fluke your way to two titles. I guess he could have treated the league season as a cup competition though. Won it with 70 something points twice. 1 of them Deportivo finished 2nd. Neither were flukes. But it just goes to show the best seasons in his career - his team still dropped a lot of points. He regularly got similar amount of points at Liverpool but that wasn't enough to win league titles. His best ever season in terms of points was at Liverpool which they lost against a very strong Man Utd side. Again you would say being too defensive at home cost them the league. Too many home draws. It's a pattern in his career. He's a fine manager but his teams have never dominated a league. Is there a manager who dominates a league ready to take the job? I'm not advocating that we can do better. I'm saying - rafa making harder work of this league than we might have imagined isn't an indication he's not still a top manager or we should be worried long-term. It's actually consistent in his career. It's not his style to steamroller any division. Another Championship manager could do a better job in this division imo. But medium/long term? He's the best man for sure. Another championship manager like Steve Bruce? Or Alex Neil? Norwich and Villa fans would happily swap places with you right now. At the season's start, I thought Norwich had a stronger side than you and were better suited to the Champo, fwiw. But really, who? Gary Monk? I think some of you forget how on your arse you were when you went down and how downright godawful, p*ss-stinking, laughing-stock s*** you've been for more than a decade. And that's not even considering the off the field fuckery. You could easily be where Villa are now, with 30,000 every week moaning their arse off, in absolute pieces. In fact I'll stick my neck out and say that if you hadn't got Rafa, and if he hadn't got you a couple of good players like Clark and Ritchie and others, you'd be absolutely Freddie f***ed right now. Maybe there is some Liverpool love in on here that I'm not aware of, but although we are the epitome of a badly run club, Liverpool have continued to spend a fortune year in year out and have virtually nothing to show for it. Your recent failures are virtually as bad as ours considering the money you've spent.

You're an idiot, like. Losing at home 0-3 to Fulham would suggest that maybe i'm not the idiot here. You are, though. Dummett returned from injury for the last 6 games for which we won 3 and drew 3. Got us relegated indeed. Each time it's a different player(s) that got us relegated. In the Mitro thread he's been constantly spouting off Mitro got us relegated too. I don't think I've ever seen a post saying how Sissoko got us relegated - which would still be idiotic, but at least slightly understandable. The whole bunch of twats got us relegated last season, for fucks sake Elliott was player of the season. I just pointed out that Colback, Anita and Dummett were major contributors.

You're an idiot, like. Losing at home 0-3 to Fulham would suggest that maybe i'm not the idiot here.

Well maybe you can tell me what he's thinking, because picking such useless players isn't working today and could still easily cost us promotion.

Dummett, Colback and Anita, got us relegated and are still picked virtually every week. Rafa what the fuck are you thinking?

We have scored some hilarious goals this last week

Their baldy heeded bastard looks better than ours

Anita has been shit, what was Rafa thinking.