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I’d imagine so but possibly insufficient for in/out turnaround. Tours these days are literally moving circuses these days on very tight schedules to cram more dates in. Another industry that’s lost out on physical sales and is chasing revenue elsewhere. Also the corner the tunnel is in and shape of stadium might not make logistical sense. Don’t know for sure though. Never been a band on at SJP that I’d want to see so far to see how they set it all up.

Don’t think they are talking about road access. They seem to be referring to getting equipment in and out the ground quickly via our one small tunnel. Sky/TNT just need cameras inside the ground. Artists will need big stage gear and props.

Chelsea or us? Wouldn’t be surprised if we are doing the same.

Yeah the Spurs hate is in the main those that want to beat Levy with something. The volume when Kane scored was impressive. It sort of reverberates as it bounces around the ground. If I had to pick another favourite it would be Cardiff where we played the semis. Would love a potential roof that we could close.

When they moved in and finished above us and the Derby games the acoustics were brilliant as was the atmosphere generated. I was in the away end for their opening game there against Man City and have attended all but one derby since they built it and its night and day compared to Roker park when I went 3 times. One of them being without any NUFC present.

Bit dismissive of Highbury and WHL when they have the very characteristics that you claim you’d lose from moving to a different ground from SJP. Both great grounds for character as is SJP. They needed to move and redevelop to progress. We do to 🤷🏼‍♂️ As for new grounds with great acoustics after several visits to each I’d definitely put forward Emirates and Spurs. Middlesbrough and Sunderland if you want something closer to home. West Ham’s new one however is everything you wouldn’t want in a football stadium.

Thats my thinking. We’ll have no legs for ET either… Think positive think positive 😆

You know X Some of them are thinking it’s the Mags+ membership they just ended also.

It’s kept them in touch with much bigger clubs is the way you have to look at it. They’d been struggling badly to afford modern day players with a 35k stadium without ridiculous ticket prices. Which I’d suggest although we know football isn’t a perfect science wouldn’t have allowed them to reach Europe regularly and occasional Top 4 recently now the rules are in place. With them probably wanting those rules more than anyone. Thats also with an owner and chairman both interested in money ahead of sporting glory. Levy took a £3m bonus ours were 2nd bottom of the table taking almost nothing. Their business model and our owners desire would be a match made in heaven theoretically. As we’d want to spend the maximum allowed to become No.1 whereas Spurs have the lowest players wage to turnover at 42%. Us being perilously high to to the UEFA limit of 70% at around 63%. Look at their ability to move in the market last few days of the window to address relatively short term issues (injuries) compared to ours. We are so lucky to have Howe in our predicament.

Without going over everything again I think these plans have took that calculation into account and then some hence me referring to the club making the “sensible” decision. Not necessarily the one they would’ve wanted. I think they’ve compromised what they could’ve done that could’ve been bigger and cheaper still. I don’t think our fundamentals are that far apart. I get what you say. I just argue that you can still have all these emotions in a new ground practically planted on top of it. They will just be new emotions where your previous emotions become memories. I still remember the day we beat Derby 3-2 and looking in awe at the Leazes end finished and full. I’ll no doubt have emotions walking into a new stadium if that’s what they decide. I’ll certainly be happier and feel less guilty about friends not being locked out as much.

Now now… and I still await my answer?

The debate was over the most sensible decision. Not the best emotional one. Football is emotional and those attached closely to the club. The ground isn’t ultimately. It’s part of it’s history like the players and managers and owners of course but it’s nothing like what it was in 1983 when I started going and I’m sure prior 1983 and my attendance it wasn’t anything like what it was either. Doesn’t stop me feeling emotional about my club just because the ground has evolved. The current seat next to mine has my late dad’s name still on it even though he’s no longer with us to occupy it. That will go I know. Arguing you can’t form new emotions in a new stadium I find ridiculous. Think about the people who can’t get in. Think of the emotions being able to go will create or the emotions of the parents who would have more chance to take their children etc. I get emotions. I wouldn’t have fought so hard for a change of ownership if the club was merely transactional to me. I personally didn’t fight so hard for the takeover to still get left behind. I’ve still got the “We don’t demand a team that wins, we demand a club that tries” banner in my outhouse and stand by every word of it. Those that know me will know I encourage people with strong views regardless what they are to voice them to the official channels if it really means that much to them. We are talking about sense though. Which I see is different and usually when you act sensibly you take the sensible decision not the emotional one. That was my point. That and I think the club is trying for us. Which is what I demanded. Anyway… what will be will be. I’ll leave you all to debate it until an official announcement is made. I think I said that last week but sticking to it this time unless I get called names of course

That emotions not sense surely?

Guessing a combination of fear of the nimbies and fans voicing their opinions they don’t want to walk a few hundred yards further and maybe less red tape I’d imagine. I’m surprised by it TBH. Predicted it to be close to Leazes areas but not that close. They say it will be higher. Wonder if the lower tier would be below ground level.

Tell me what you would like which you think is more sensible?

I’ve not said you can’t have opposing views? This option isn’t even the one I want But having listened to a broad range of feedback on here and elsewhere I honestly think the club have made the most sensible decision if indeed this is the one. Its as close to the current site you could ask for so much so it overlaps so no change to anyone’s match day routines. Its 20% approximately bigger so hopefully that will allow future generations into the ground more regularly at a lower price point than an expansion would and on the flip side put to rest fears from some we couldn’t fill 75/80/85k regularly. It allows the club flexibility for their corporate adventures which will all help to keep the ticket prices lower than they would with less corporate opportunities. It also gives the chance to reconfigure the fans who want to be together and offer better acoustics hopefully leading to a better atmosphere. Hopefully it will attract people to visit our lovely city with other sporting and music events which is great for the City. Finally it would hopefully give us a couple of scoreboards for the VAR decisions for everyone to be able to view. I’m not sure there’s a box they haven’t ticked with those plans in that report. That encompasses everyone’s views. So I’ll repeat I’m glad the club has seen sense and I hope the fans do to. I’ll also repeat it’s not the option I would’ve went for but overall I’m happy to accept it. Not sure how it came across obnoxious? I certainly didn’t mean to 👍🏻

I’m surprised they are thinking of overlapping the stadiums. If however they think it’s the only option that will tick the locality box and face minimum opposition then fare enough but can’t help feel they are having to make the project less ambitious. Anyway like you say it might not even happen as shown.

I’m not being an arse. Just shake my head at people moaning about the shape of it of all the things to consider! Big change in location, worse views and acoustics or locking out future generations and effect on the City in general etc I’m all for a debate. All the things that matter to the match going fan and those who spend their time in the city that would be effected, particularly a regular one should totally be on the table. If I was being an arse I’d say why do you care what shape it is when you don’t go to the games even when offered tickets. That would be being an arse. But I didn’t So… Whats the problem with the stadium being a bowl shape? That was my question.

What you moaning about?

Glad the club have seen sense. Now we just need some of the fans to 🤞🏻

Dragusin out for season possibly? Sure I heard that somewhere.

Doubt they will. If we go from 53k to 70k I reckon it be split around 7K corporate and 10K membership or vice versa.

He’s passed it already.