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My biggest issue is that he would leave, but if he stays I agree we’d be fine even with minimal incomings. I just obviously wouldn’t be happy with this window if that happens before people start screeching at me. EDIT: @ Rich’s post.

Agreed. Sounds like she should be commentating on cycling on Eurosport. Edit: Keown should be sacked before her though. Aye she’s fucking shite, proper from the Motson school of over-acting. Is it that Oakley who used to be on MOTD.

You think that’s unpopular? I’d take Rondon ahead of him.

He’s like the 11th highest ever goalscorer from Europe with Poland. Will almost certainly take over Ibrahimovic and will likely take over Klose to nestle in behind Puskas and Ronny. He’ll be lethal regardless of which league he plays.

Fair play to the Russian fella, fully expected him to chokeslam that little Sideshow Mel lad.

Could come around to decisions like that being used for VAR. As long as the game isn’t being interrupted and the decision is obvious.

Basically how I see it, aye. If I knew someone was a nonce I would act (as I assume the vast majority of this forum would). If I heard allegations someone was a nonce I'm not sure how I would react. Carver didn't know his pal was a paedo, he'd heard 2nd hand allegations (of which we haven't seen) and didn't know how to immediately deal with them. There's been countless examples of this kind of thing happening which is why people working with children need clear guidlines on how to report abuse allegations.

Yeah I'll be honest I'm not seeing the negatives here. His record for Poland has also been ridiculous for the past 5 or so years (32 in 36). EDIT: Remove friendlies and it's 27 in 34.

Just give is the call whenever you need a hand SEMTEX.

Columbia finished 1 point behind Argentina and 1 point ahead of Chile in the notoriously difficult CONMEBOL.

And even now it's not even really belief We're essentially underdogs without the good things that come with being underdogs - like parties in the streets after scoring a goal in a major tournament. It's the same with Newcastle pre-Rafa, we were absolutely shit but without the joy of the small things that usually come with being shit - so we just moan about being shit.

A lot better without that cunt Chapman on too.

Falcao will score one of these flying kicks eventually.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/kieran-trippier-didnt-celebrate-harry-12742079 Seems a weird rule like.

I'm just thinking of Skrtel's performance against us in the Euros and how we completely lack anyone who could do that when we play the better teams.

I was really impressed with Trippier like. I've never really paid attention to him and thought him being RB with Walker RCB was weird but it makes a lot of sense. It's hard to criticise Maguire and Stones too much after yesterday imo but I still think it's odd we don't have one 'solid' defensive CB in there. I suppose Cahill is the best fit we have in the squad like so I'm not too bothered about changing things for future games until there's a cock up.

Literally no one suggested this? Also you're acting like this his best mate, it's not. He knew him socially. Also I don't think it is that difficult to imagine how you would react. At the literal very very least, you ask the guy. And that's the minimum. There were regulations in the late 90s. it wasn't some wild west free for all nonce-a-thon. If carver was such good mates with him, he obviously felt there was some truth in it as he wanted to get him out of the club. I mean atleast try not to straw man my in a post accusing me of straw manning other people man, howay It being 20 year ago isn't irrelevant like. I don't know what systems were in place at the club back then but I imagine they've improved a lot since - as has working with children in general. I'm assuming Carver wasn't fully trained in how to deal with this kind of thing but I might be wrong. The article says he 'took part' in a ruse I think. It's canny vague what happened, but it reads like a group within the club had been made aware of the allegations and thought that was the best course of action was to get him out. It sounds thick as fuck but again we don't really know the full details - it's all a bit vague. In any case I don't really care, I was mortal when I wrote my initial posts and have no real desire to continue arguing my point now I do think people are being too harsh on him given the little we know though.

Point out a single straw man. I have no clue how I would react as I've never been in that situation - I can just picture how difficult it would be and how easy it would be to be in denial about it. Without evidence and (I'm just assuming here) without the proper knowledge about how to deal with these situations I imagine it's a lot easier to theorise about what you would do rather than do what you would actually wish you would do. The 'ruse' bit is weird but then we don't really know the full info on any of this, there isn't a great deal in the article.

You've probably received better 'training' like. I might not be giving the 90s enough credit but I would hope the entire system around youth players is different now.

Even the Guardian goes with "did not take action on abuse claims right away" instead of "failed to act" man. Although "gives evidence in nonce trial" also works. He's also talking about things that happened 20 year ago, I doubt even he has a decent memory of how it went down. It's not even the title really anyway tbh, I think Carver is a total cunt but I think it needed pointing out that this is actually probably not heinous behaviour and that there's evidence this kind of reaction is pretty common. I think it's canny harsh to demonised him over it.

I expected him to have no evidence, that’s the point, he’d heard rumours. So what do you do if you hear your mate is a nonce? In the real world, not in the world where you’re some kind of moral prophet? I like to think I'd do the right thing. And I'd like to think I'd be raked over the coals if I didn't. And you might do the right thing, you shouldn't be raked over the coals for not though, <b> its a perfectly natural reaction to not know how to react in a situation like that.</b> Totally true, i'd be a basket case if it were someone I knew. I'd still do something, report it to the club, at least begin an internal investigation. You just have to, even if it's only an allegation at that point, the ramifications of doing nothing if it turned out to be true are too damaging. Aye I'm not saying you wouldn't like, just that I can completely see the reasons Carver might not have done the right thing at the time and I think it's canny unfair to essentially insinuate he helped harbour a nonce at the club without knowing more. I doubt I would personally, but I don't know. I just imagine I'd be too shocked to the point I'd be in denial - that seems to happen often in these cases (yewtree/weinstein etc). I'd absolutely hate anything like that to come out about a close friend (obviously )

He'd heard rumours that his mate was bumming the Newcastle youth man, it'd have been a total mindfuck.

I expected him to have no evidence, that’s the point, he’d heard rumours. So what do you do if you hear your mate is a nonce? In the real world, not in the world where you’re some kind of moral prophet? I like to think I'd do the right thing. And I'd like to think I'd be raked over the coals if I didn't. And you might do the right thing, you shouldn't be raked over the coals for not though, its a perfectly natural reaction to not know how to react in a situation like that.

I expected him to have no evidence, that’s the point, he’d heard rumours. So what do you do if you hear your mate is a nonce? In the real world, not in the world where you’re some kind of moral prophet?

Course it's a hard issue to solve, no argument there at all. But what you should never ever do, is nothing at all. Pretty simple and there'd be no beef with the thick twat at all if he'd at least investigated right away. Needed "time to digest", Christ. Time to digest the allegations he means. They were just allegations, rumours. If I heard a friend was a nonce I’d probably not immediately run to the police either, I doubt many would. I assume most people would just try and convince thenselves they were false.