BrettNUFC

That's what you here from Arsenal fans that moan when they are finishing 4th, yet we build Arsenal up to be this extremely well run club? No, it's what you're hearing from me, a Newcastle fan. A team that just finished 2 places above relegation, not 4th. Well they say exactly the same and have criticised their manager/board for years because of it until Ozil arrived that is. Then they brought up old news at the weekend when RVP scored past them because they sold him to their biggest rivals and refused to match his wages and give him assurances they would spend money to win trophies.

Yes we are, quicker Ashley gets his money back the quicker he will fuck off. We are turning in a decent enough profit whilst still building a good side with players we enjoy watching. If Ashley recoups the money he put into us to save us from Shepheard's crazy spending, he will be off like a shot. After then it's a case of pot luck with the new owner.

That's what you here from Arsenal fans that moan when they are finishing 4th, yet we build Arsenal up to be this extremely well run club? And what have they just done? Spent 40m on a player and are top of the league. Also their wage structure and the management pay will be miles above ours. Of course it will be, their one of the biggest and best clubs in the league. I'm just saying you’re making Arsenal the pinnacle of way of dealing with transfers/wages but they haven't had a trophy in 8 years and resigned to the fact top 4 was a good achievement. Sell their best players over and over for good profit, bring in replacements not at the same standard for cheaper. Yes, finally they have bought Ozil who is worthy signing but it's taken them years to come up with a signing like him which the likes of their competitors pull off most transfer windows whilst they have just looked on counting their money.

That's what you here from Arsenal fans that moan when they are finishing 4th, yet we build Arsenal up to be this extremely well run club?

Doubt it, he would never have signed in the first place without the release clause, it was always his objective to earn a big-money move somewhere else IMO. Or earn big money here if we were prepared to pay it. The fact we have to face is that strikers of the quality of Ba and Remy will always attract a big club sooner or later who will pay them big club wages. It's impossible to hold onto these player without paying the going rate. There's no such thing as the going rate. If you mean 'as much as Chelsea' then I can't agree we should be doing that. No one can match Chelsea or Man City because they are sovereign state clubs, not businesses. But what about Spurs, Liverpool or Arsenal? All of them operate within a budget and only Arsenal have had CL money on a regular basis over the last few years, but they'll still pay the money to secure the quality players when they're worth it. I doubt Suarez is on 50k a week. This - well said, Tron, on the button but you are wasting your time debating it with him..... You can't compete with the likes of Liverpool, man. Hoying around 90 grand a week wages on likes of Joe Cole amongst many others. We literally can't do that and unless we get an owner with money to burn where it's not an issue, i don't want us doing that. Ashley's policy on transfer/wages is generally excellent even though it could do with some tweaking, it's still a very good way to run the club. It's probably the only thing i'm happy with Ashley is the way he handles this whilst many other clubs like QPR just fling around silly money and could explode at anytime, at least we are on a sound footing in this respect and Ashley does deserve credit for that. Ashley's net worth is almost triple that of the owner of Liverpool. So the issue isn't we can't, its that wont. Ashley deserves a modicum of credit for finding good players at good prices, but its almost always to the detriment of the team. and we will go nowhere with this policy as players like Remy etc will always move for the money they will command. i won't give Ashley credit for anything personally, the policy is not to benefit us, but to ensure he can recoup his money. I don't care if Ashley won't follow suit, he shouldn't follow suit. It's not right to run a football club throwing around silly wages just because others do. We've done well to get rid of players on the stupid wages and have got ourselves in a decent position financially. Why ruin that and go back to the 80 grand wages and ridiculous transfer fees that got us in a financial crisis in the first place. f***ing hell. Because 80k a week is the going rate for any kind of success? We don't have to put ourselves in 'financial crisis". Look at Arsenal. Financially well managed but they pay the going rate when needed. If you want to remain a mid table PL club forever, I've no idea why you watch football. Arsenal are the same, just on a higher scale. They won't compete with other clubs on transfer fees and wages, they work within their own budget. When the right deal is available, they will take it. If an Arsenal player wants to leave for more money elsewhere, rarely do Arsenal match another clubs offer to keep their player, they will sell up and look elsewhere for a replacement which could arrive 12/18 months down the line.

We offered Remy a good wage in January, it wasn't cheap, it wasn't embarrassing, it was a good offer. If QPR want to go overboard and offer him an extra 30/40 grand a week, i've got no complaints with us pulling out rather than go looking to outbid them. It will be them who suffer for it in the long term, not us.

Doubt it, he would never have signed in the first place without the release clause, it was always his objective to earn a big-money move somewhere else IMO. Or earn big money here if we were prepared to pay it. The fact we have to face is that strikers of the quality of Ba and Remy will always attract a big club sooner or later who will pay them big club wages. It's impossible to hold onto these player without paying the going rate. There's no such thing as the going rate. If you mean 'as much as Chelsea' then I can't agree we should be doing that. No one can match Chelsea or Man City because they are sovereign state clubs, not businesses. But what about Spurs, Liverpool or Arsenal? All of them operate within a budget and only Arsenal have had CL money on a regular basis over the last few years, but they'll still pay the money to secure the quality players when they're worth it. I doubt Suarez is on 50k a week. This - well said, Tron, on the button but you are wasting your time debating it with him..... You can't compete with the likes of Liverpool, man. Hoying around 90 grand a week wages on likes of Joe Cole amongst many others. We literally can't do that and unless we get an owner with money to burn where it's not an issue, i don't want us doing that. Ashley's policy on transfer/wages is generally excellent even though it could do with some tweaking, it's still a very good way to run the club. It's probably the only thing i'm happy with Ashley is the way he handles this whilst many other clubs like QPR just fling around silly money and could explode at anytime, at least we are on a sound footing in this respect and Ashley does deserve credit for that. Ashley's net worth is almost triple that of the owner of Liverpool. So the issue isn't we can't, its that wont. Ashley deserves a modicum of credit for finding good players at good prices, but its almost always to the detriment of the team. and we will go nowhere with this policy as players like Remy etc will always move for the money they will command. i won't give Ashley credit for anything personally, the policy is not to benefit us, but to ensure he can recoup his money. I don't care if Ashley won't follow suit, he shouldn't follow suit. It's not right to run a football club throwing around silly wages just because others do. We've done well to get rid of players on the stupid wages and have got ourselves in a decent position financially. Why ruin that and go back to the 80 grand wages and ridiculous transfer fees that got us in a financial crisis in the first place.

I've found myself agreeing with them on a lot of things at different times about players tbf, but on this manager I'm a million miles away. It's one thing to remain positive and look at all angles, but sometimes you just have to take a longer term view and think about how you can make progress as a football team on the pitch, since there's not a lot we can do about what goes on off it. No hard feelings on that score. Would I swap Pardew for a better manager? Obviously I would, that goes without saying really. I'm just inclined to support him while he's here and I think we've kind of talked ourselves into a paranoid delusion that he's Satan or something. He's also suffered from being involved with a regime that everyone hates. A lot of the stuff he says/does is absolutely standard managerial waffle or fans having a different opinion to the pros type stuff IMO. Anyway, it's a Tuesday night, all is good in the world. I've just watched the games he's managed, and think he's s***. Can we just move on please? A small amount of us don't want to go over the same things again. Posters on here know where pretty much everyone stands, so don't know why it keeps going around in circles. Nobody actually thinks Pardew's a very good manager or is the man to take us to the next level. It's just the levels of tolerance for Pardew in which people differ. For the precise reason its a message board where people discuss their views on NUFC. I could say the same about any number of topics. I find it incredibly annoying people trying to tell people what they are allowed to talk about. Pardew hater...wants to keep hating

Doubt it, he would never have signed in the first place without the release clause, it was always his objective to earn a big-money move somewhere else IMO. Or earn big money here if we were prepared to pay it. The fact we have to face is that strikers of the quality of Ba and Remy will always attract a big club sooner or later who will pay them big club wages. It's impossible to hold onto these player without paying the going rate. There's no such thing as the going rate. If you mean 'as much as Chelsea' then I can't agree we should be doing that. No one can match Chelsea or Man City because they are sovereign state clubs, not businesses. But what about Spurs, Liverpool or Arsenal? All of them operate within a budget and only Arsenal have had CL money on a regular basis over the last few years, but they'll still pay the money to secure the quality players when they're worth it. I doubt Suarez is on 50k a week. This - well said, Tron, on the button but you are wasting your time debating it with him..... You can't compete with the likes of Liverpool, man. Hoying around 90 grand a week wages on likes of Joe Cole amongst many others. We literally can't do that and unless we get an owner with money to burn where it's not an issue, i don't want us doing that. Ashley's policy on transfer/wages is generally excellent even though it could do with some tweaking, it's still a very good way to run the club. It's probably the only thing i'm happy with Ashley is the way he handles this whilst many other clubs like QPR just fling around silly money and could explode at anytime, at least we are on a sound footing in this respect and Ashley does deserve credit for that.

I've found myself agreeing with them on a lot of things at different times about players tbf, but on this manager I'm a million miles away. It's one thing to remain positive and look at all angles, but sometimes you just have to take a longer term view and think about how you can make progress as a football team on the pitch, since there's not a lot we can do about what goes on off it. No hard feelings on that score. Would I swap Pardew for a better manager? Obviously I would, that goes without saying really. I'm just inclined to support him while he's here and I think we've kind of talked ourselves into a paranoid delusion that he's Satan or something. He's also suffered from being involved with a regime that everyone hates. A lot of the stuff he says/does is absolutely standard managerial waffle or fans having a different opinion to the pros type stuff IMO. Anyway, it's a Tuesday night, all is good in the world. I've just watched the games he's managed, and think he's s***. Can we just move on please? A small amount of us don't want to go over the same things again. Posters on here know where pretty much everyone stands, so don't know why it keeps going around in circles. Nobody actually thinks Pardew's a very good manager or is the man to take us to the next level. It's just the levels of tolerance for Pardew in which people differ.

Polic, you're never far away from sort of bullying tactic are you? Pathetic

He does love a good arse lick

'We've got the greatest fans in the world in my opinion' Nice bit of praise for us from him I think he generally does feel for us, he knows that we've stuck by him inside the ground and haven't given him a tougher time as he may have should have been given last season. I think he certainly recognises that and is thankful for it.

It would be smashing of him to fuck us over twice for more money, can't blame him like. As long as he keeps his head down whilst playing here, keeps working hard and playing for the team, i'd wish him well wherever he ends up, just pray he decides it's here where he is happy.

Thirdly, you're a bit of a dick for the tone of that post. :lol:

No, I mean when the ball hit him square in the face before MYM cleared it off the line. If that's not lucky then neither is "Spur's awful freekick taking a wicked deflection." Aye course it was, we only ended up in that scramble due to Spurs getting fortunate in the first place though.

I'd play Anita right back, especially since we are at home. Been decent there in the past for us and he deserves to be playing.

Hitting him in the face? You mean when Spurs got lucky their awful freekick took a wicked deflection which resulted in an excellent save and scramble

Well I'm not buying your theory either - I reckon if Spurs had scored within 10 minutes of the restart, we would have crumbled like a broken biscuit...Gouffran was protecting Santon and as soon as he started to fade, Spurs ran Santon ragged. They would have taken heart from a goal and only Krul stopped that happening. Reality check needed...... Were you at the Liverpool game saying the same thing? If Suarez or Sturridge score here they are going on to win this? We aren't that side anymore who just crumble at the first sign of pressure.

Soz like, I just had to quote this for posterity. It's utterly crackers mate. Your going to ride your luck when your inferior to the opposition setting up with this gameplan, you know with the quality your up against they will get one/two good chances to score when they have the ball for large periods of the game, it's expected.

Not happy with my week, 53 points. Majority of that thanks to Suarez skipper, rest mainly just collected their appearance points, disappointing.

We outplayed Chelsea in the second half, we outplayed Spurs in the first half. It's a shame for KI to see Newcastle being pinned back in the other half of them two games because if he was manager he would have us in the game for the 90 minutes and not allowing Chelsea/Spurs to dominate periods of the game, it's that simple. Can just imagine him being a Chelsea supporter criticising Di Matteo winning the champions league because his football wasn't sustainable. As much as i hate watching it as a neutral as it spoils the game of football, if your luck is in, it can work an absolute treat. And it worked an absolute treat for us on this occasion and i'd do it all over again if we were playing them next week.

You don't help yourself like. Not quite sure why those three have been bolded? If hardly did a thing = goal, assist x 2, goal respectively I'd hate to see what players who put in average performance do. 'Hardly did a thing for what they are actually capable of'....Gerrard/Suarez tore Fulham to bits at the weekend and Suarez scored a hatrick prior to playing us, was up agaisnt 10 men agaisnt us for 45 minutes and he got an assist, it was hardly the performance from Suarez that we all know, why was this? Any credit to any of our players for this? Or did he just not really fancy it? I honestly can't remember a single thing Dzeko did in the 90 minutes, just remember him scoring a goal in extra time once his side took the lead. Perhaps they didn't play a their best ever game but to say they hardly did a thing when all 3 had a direct impact on the result is absolutely absurd in my opinion. I've said repeatedly I thought we've done alright/well in all our recent games too but obviously you're incapable of understanding that because you're too busy twisting the truth to fit to fit your own weird agenda where everyone is out to get you but that's irrelevant in this instance. And that's because of our players, right? We enforced that. It's not just one top player not playing excellent, it's a collective bunch over numerous games. This is my point, our players stopped them from playing their best, it's too much of a coincidence these excellent players all come up agaisnt us and struggle in general. I thought Suarez and Gerrard both had good games against us whilst our players still played well. This is possible, it doesn't have to all out one or the other like you're trying to make out. On the whole their sides were average/poor and players mentioned on the driving force behind them, our players stopped them from playing their best. Clean sheets in normal time against City/Chelsea/Spurs, that's some feat.

I have no complaints in the slightest playing defend and counter against the top 6. You don't expect to take anything off them especially away from home and if you manage to grab bonus points off them through negative tactics even if you take a hammering somewhere along the line, i'm fine with that. The next two games are bigger than what Chelsea/Spurs were, we've come out with massive massive credit in those games but we now need to back it up. Be very interesting to see how people react if Pardew and the players do indeed back up their performances. You're exaggerating. We haven't come out of it with massive credit at all. Chelsea's poor performance was discussed at great length and you'd be hard pushed to find a review of the Spurs match that doesn't have an entire section on Krul. We won both games and that's great, but that doesn't mean that we've automatically played well, or won those games in anything like a sustainable way. I'm not being all sad face about it, because you have to find happiness in the victories otherwise you'd go crazy, but how you can think relying upon toothlessness or an amazing performance from your keeper is a solid and sustainable way to get results is beyond me. You're wasting your time trying to teach him mate. The only time our performance comes into the equation with him is if we lose. (See Sunderland) Yes but people said we deserved to lose because we conceded more then them. Same for Spurs? I don't agree with that, i think we were good enough for the draw against Sunderland, i thought we earned our point against Liverpool, deserved our 3 against Chelsea but thought Spurs were unlucky not to get anything yesterday and deserved a draw. Sometimes you get the luck in football, sometimes you don't. Not always a case of well you conceded more than the opposition therefore you deserve to lose.