Figures 1-0 Football

Pathetic.

Aye - it’s definitely up there.

Derby have been absolutely terrible. All 4 goals down to Derby’s shittery mackems have had wins like this before, usually followed be a shite collapse at home. If they win on Monday I’ll give them a chance, if they don’t - they’re down.

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then? I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post There’s a clear difference which is what you don’t seem to grasp. Your scenario is a late challenge, the actual incident was an accidental collision. A late tackle attempting to block the ball I said It’s still an attempted tackle/challenge, which is entirely different to a player accidentally putting his foot on the same blade of grass as another whilst not challenging for the ball which was nowhere near the action at the time. Doesn't really matter though, penalties are given for clumsy stuff like people accidentally standing on another player's foot all the time. Anyway I won't be back on for a few hours so I'll leave it at that Correct - but those penalties are given because the player who is fouled has the ball at the time and it impedes them from continuing to play with it, or they are making a run whilst the ball is with their team etc. This incident was totally different to that because he or any of Italy’s team didn’t have the ball (or any chance of getting it).

Lovely goal that.

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then? I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post There’s a clear difference which is what you don’t seem to grasp. Your scenario is a late challenge, the actual incident was an accidental collision. A late tackle attempting to block the ball I said It’s still an attempted tackle/challenge, which is entirely different to a player accidentally putting his foot on the same blade of grass as another whilst not challenging for the ball which was nowhere near the action at the time.

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then? I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post There’s a clear difference which is what you don’t seem to grasp. Your scenario is a late challenge, the actual incident was an accidental collision.

Yeah, but that means VAR will be giving 6 pens a game for shirt grabbing in the box then? Fair point really, probably not, but it just seems to be a football wide acceptance that shirt pulling is allowed, video reffing or not Is part of football not based on luck and subjectivity? Different people have different opinions on what is a bad tackle or foul. The fact people can argue both for and against Italy getting a pen shows it simply isn't as easy as "VAR says it's a pen". Would Italy have felt hard done by for not getting a pen? Probably not. I don't understand those opinions though. Its clearly a penalty going by the rules of the game. VAR has generally been shambolic when trialled in the FA cup so far but I don't understand the outrage when it actually does its job the way it should Well, it’s not. Even more laughable that a few posts up you explain how shirt pulling is seen as acceptable in football - what?! By your rules of “contact causing someone to fall over is a foul” we should have about 30 penalties a game. If a ref sees the foul for a penalty, he gives a penalty. If a ref sees shirt pulling, he probably doesn't give a penalty. I don't agree with it, but that's just the way it is. I never said the bit in bold. I said if your legs or foot connect with another players legs or foot while not touching the ball and that contact is enough to impede the player or stop him from continuing his run, then its a foul, and it clearly is But the contact in the Italy game didn’t impede the player in any way? What did it impede him from doing? He’d lost the ball and was already going to ground. He wasn’t running, he was falling. “basically anything that involves your legs impeding the other player's legs without getting the ball is a foul and rightly so” How many ‘tangles of legs’ do we see in football where both players just clip each other unintentionally? Who gets a foul then? How many times does a goalkeeper catch a player after a shot has been taken? Nothing is given, why? Because contact is inevitable and it’s ridiculous to penalise ever single touch. He had just been pushed/shouldered fairly by Tarkowski so was off balance, there's no way of knowing if he would have fell, then Tarkowski steps on his foot stopping him from running forward, which is a foul. It doesn't matter if you unintentionally bring down the player by a tangle of legs, its a foul. The one with the ball who is impeded gets the free kick. If a player is running up the wing, and a guy behind clips him accidentally, causing him to fall over, its a foul. This doesn't seem to be getting through to you as you keep making this point with the goalkeepers, so I'll say it again. Contact between upper body's of players is inevitable and fine as long as it isn't a clear push in the back or something. I'm talking about the contact between legs I was talking about legs too - a player tries to chip the keeper, misses, the momentum of the player and keeper running towards each other causes the player to go over. It happens in virtually every one on one situation. It’s not a foul because the ball (and any chance) has gone long before any accidental contact is made - exactly likethe Italy situation. You said “the one with the ball gets the freekick” well, the Italy player had lost the ball. It was an accidental coming together and absolutely nothing more than that.

Yeah, but that means VAR will be giving 6 pens a game for shirt grabbing in the box then? Fair point really, probably not, but it just seems to be a football wide acceptance that shirt pulling is allowed, video reffing or not Is part of football not based on luck and subjectivity? Different people have different opinions on what is a bad tackle or foul. The fact people can argue both for and against Italy getting a pen shows it simply isn't as easy as "VAR says it's a pen". Would Italy have felt hard done by for not getting a pen? Probably not. I don't understand those opinions though. Its clearly a penalty going by the rules of the game. VAR has generally been shambolic when trialled in the FA cup so far but I don't understand the outrage when it actually does its job the way it should Well, it’s not. Even more laughable that a few posts up you explain how shirt pulling is seen as acceptable in football - what?! By your rules of “contact causing someone to fall over is a foul” we should have about 30 penalties a game. If a ref sees the foul for a penalty, he gives a penalty. If a ref sees shirt pulling, he probably doesn't give a penalty. I don't agree with it, but that's just the way it is. I never said the bit in bold. I said if your legs or foot connect with another players legs or foot while not touching the ball and that contact is enough to impede the player or stop him from continuing his run, then its a foul, and it clearly is But the contact in the Italy game didn’t impede the player in any way? What did it impede him from doing? He’d lost the ball and was already going to ground. He wasn’t running, he was falling. “basically anything that involves your legs impeding the other player's legs without getting the ball is a foul and rightly so” How many ‘tangles of legs’ do we see in football where both players just clip each other unintentionally? Who gets a foul then? How many times does a goalkeeper catch a player after a shot has been taken? Nothing is given, why? Because contact is inevitable and it’s ridiculous to penalise ever single touch.

Yeah, but that means VAR will be giving 6 pens a game for shirt grabbing in the box then? Fair point really, probably not, but it just seems to be a football wide acceptance that shirt pulling is allowed, video reffing or not Is part of football not based on luck and subjectivity? Different people have different opinions on what is a bad tackle or foul. The fact people can argue both for and against Italy getting a pen shows it simply isn't as easy as "VAR says it's a pen". Would Italy have felt hard done by for not getting a pen? Probably not. I don't understand those opinions though. Its clearly a penalty going by the rules of the game. VAR has generally been shambolic when trialled in the FA cup so far but I don't understand the outrage when it actually does its job the way it should Well, it’s not. Even more laughable that a few posts up you explain how shirt pulling is seen as acceptable in football - what?! By your rules of “contact causing someone to fall over is a foul” we should have about 30 penalties a game.

Yeah, but that means VAR will be giving 6 pens a game for shirt grabbing in the box then? Fair point really, probably not, but it just seems to be a football wide acceptance that shirt pulling is allowed, video reffing or not Is part of football not based on luck and subjectivity? Different people have different opinions on what is a bad tackle or foul. The fact people can argue both for and against Italy getting a pen shows it simply isn't as easy as "VAR says it's a pen". Would Italy have felt hard done by for not getting a pen? Probably not. Yup. VAR will never bring 100% accuracy because there is no such thing, it’s too subjective. How many times do different pundits, fans, players and managers see the same decision in a different way? The Italy one a prime example. Any player going down in the box with any sort of contact will probably always be a penalty in the eyes of VAR, even though it probably shouldn’t. The referee is influenced as soon as the VAR referee says ‘you should look at that’, it puts doubt into his mind straight away being told by another referee that they think it’s foul. It’s all just a load of crap and totally unnecessary. Any sort of ‘pause’ in our game is a load of shite and can fuck off. Imagine the Forest game last season? Aye, we may have actually drew/won that game but it would have been totally unwatchable due to VAR.

They’re still 6 (+GD) from safety like Realistically, with Barnsley and/or Birmingham likely to pick up at least 5 points from their remaining games, the mackems will need to win at least 4 from 8. It’s just never going to happen.

Lerl.

What’s the point in the referee making any decisions then? The VAR referee will just tell him when he should have given something. May as well put a big electronic board up which shows adverts until a decision is needed and then the crowd all count down from 10 in unison whilst the decision is unveiled. Hopefully we’ll have people selling popcorn in the stands soon too..

The Niall Quinn thread still going strong, despite Coleman explaining yesterday it’s all a load of bollocks. The last 5 pages, they’ve all been looking up Irish billionnaires on Wikipedia based on this gem:

It’s perfectly set up for a monumental cock up like.

They are 3 really average keepers like, wouldn’t be surprised if whoever turns out to be first choice makes a significant howler at some stage.

Thought Derby had some huge injury crisis and that's why Cardiff accused them getting the game called off last week? Players that were missing are all back for this week, hence why they wanted that game off.

Oh excellent, it’s on TV. That’ll be something to laugh at tomorrow night.

Is it the same referee in Figures' Wolves photo who disallowed our penalty? Aye - Keith Stroud.

Whilst all of that is true - Ashley wont see past the fact that we’ve survived relegation. In his eyes, it will have been an overwhelming success and further evidence that he doesn’t need to spend millions of pounds on players whilst we have Rafa.

Encroachment is a massive pet hate of mine. This is one of my personal favourites. What makes it worse is that the pen is saved and a Wolves player who has encroached, clears it to safety.

It wasn’t a challenge for the ball and didn’t impede the Italy player in any way. He accidentally stood on his foot, with the ball pretty much already out of play. The fact that the Italy players were more interested in appealing for a corner says it all. How many times a game does a goalkeeper accidentally collide with a player when getting the ball from a corner? Is that a foul too? By your definition it is. Contact is inevitable in the game and it’s already sanitised enough. He still fouled him. If the bloke plays a bad pass and then someone comes in and steps on his toes accidentally late it's still a foul. The Italian players were probably looking at the ball and didn't see it. The keeper argument is irrelevant. I never said all contact is a foul. Contact between legs or feet which stops a player continuing their run or makes them fall over is a foul Well when a keeper goes for the ball he often makes contact between legs and/or feet causing players to fall over - so it must be a foul then. It was absolutely never a foul last night, an accidental collision that caused no disruption to Italy’s attacking play.

It wasn’t a challenge for the ball and didn’t impede the Italy player in any way. He accidentally stood on his foot, with the ball pretty much already out of play. The fact that the Italy players were more interested in appealing for a corner says it all. How many times a game does a goalkeeper accidentally collide with a player when getting the ball from a corner? Is that a foul too? By your definition it is. Contact is inevitable in the game and it’s already sanitised enough.

Wish people (including referees) would realise that football is and always has been a contact sport. Going down and contact being made does not always mean it should be a foul. An accidental collision like that where the Italy player has no chance (or intention) to get the ball is never a foul in a million years. We seem to be in an era where contact, no matter how pathetically slight, is an automatic excuse for giving decisions. And pundits wonder why players fall to the floor like a sack of shit if they feel any contact, because they know they’ll probably get it. Fuck off.