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As I said in the match thread - If Mitro put in a performance like Gayle did today, he'd have got absolutely pelted for it fwiw. Mitro came on, immediately won headers and bought others into play. The game was screaming out for him today and I have no idea why Rafa bought Perez on first. Other than one shite game (Blackburn) and a few questionable sub appearances (Villa?), I have no idea what this bloke has done wrong this season like and simply should be given more opportunities.

We're just so slow at attacking, it's fine when we're winning but when we are chasing a game we offer next to nothing. You can see it clearly too, the opposition are given far too much time to get into positions and just shadow us across the pitch. Get the ball down and run at people, when we do that they look terrified and we get chances. We just do not do it frequently enough (sometimes we don't do it at all).

Terrible performance, thought Rafa got it terribly wrong to bring Perez into a physical game too. Another team who have actually looked at our defects this season and set up very well. Very similar to the Blackburn match that was. Dummett reverted back to the positionally-inept idiot running through glue again. Nobody other than Darlow can come out of that game with any credit like. Hats off to the Sheff Wed fans, they were excellent throughout. If Mitro put in a performance like Gayle did today, he'd have got absolutely pelted for it fwiw.

Allardyce is a cunt of a person, but an effective manager. Palace will be 8th - 12th this season now.

That Leicester thing is one of the most pathetic things I have ever seen, such a small time bunch of cunts.

Too many Christmas drinks then.

He shows a brief piece of talent every so often, but for the remaining time he is pretty useless. Really thought he was great for the first half of the first season we had him, but over the course of his NUFC career he has been pretty dire other than those very infrequent pieces of magic. Wouldn't be shocked to see him sold because he doesn't really offer us anything now and we could easily replace him with someone better.

Couldn't agree more...

Met him and he's genuinely as nice as he seems. A great guy, never our most talented player but one I'll definitely remember fondly.

Palace will stay up by default and would have even if they kept Pardew. Just like West Ham & Leicester. No matter how much of a shit season they have this year, there is so much crap in that league that they'll stay up comfortably. Hull and Swansea are already down. Then you have the likes of the mackems, Boro and Burnley fighting over the last place. It'd take a monumental fuck up to get relegated outside of those 5 teams like and if anyone manages it then they should retire immediately from management.

Draxler confirmed to PSG. Would have liked to have seen him in the PL, shame to see him go play in that poor standard of a league.

It's not that difficult for a club of their size to challenge to be the 4th best team in Scotland like. Think Carlisle would give it a good go too.

It's a good job all of that bent stuff has completely blown over, as was expected.

Amazing that this still needs explaining. It doesn't. The fact the definition of racism is being diluted virtually by the week is amazing. How long will it be before calling someone a 'Byker b******' or 'Wallsend w*****' (no offence) is considered racist. And please, lets not pretend those who have climbed onto their 'high horse' have never uttered a racist comment at some point in their lives. Modern definition of course. Byker or Wallsend is not a religion, culture or ethnicity. Hence why it wouldn't be racist. There is no need to include a person's religion/culture/ethnicity in any insult, unless you are intending it to be racist.

Welcome to years of dire football for 0-0 wins away at West Brom and a 14th finish each year! Ha!

This sort of unrelated, weak analogy doesn't really help your point like. Like I've said countless times now, it was about breaking the cycle to get someone like Rafa further down the line, it wasn't a direct cause, but it was the catalyst. It's really not that hard to understand. But SP didn't break the cycle in the first place for crying out loud Steve Parish didn't pick up the phone to NUFC because of SP, Alan Pardew who loves Palace, is a Cockney himself and wanted higher earnings didn't leave solely because of SP. We then had a period of 16 months where Ashley still f***ed around with idiots like Carver and McClaren before relegation (and not SP) made him pump for Rafa. No fear of relegation = no Rafa = no changes. It was a tiny influence in the grand scheme of things. As the analogy pointed out. All of which, I've said countless times now. Edit - this is going around in circles and has been for some time, so we'll agree to disagree.

If that is true - why did the "Ashley Out" campaign completely die down in the 2015/2016 season with no demonstrations or show of discontent until February when things got really shit? Even then, the discontent was at McClaren and not Ashley.

If I piss outside on my grass, then 16 months later there is a typhoon - I didn't flood the fucking garden.

New player to a new country/new league/new team plays two matches of football and doesn't have a stormer - you have to be disappointed and expect more! It's the way the world is now!

https://www.thepfa.com/players/betting/dont-bet-on-it Put simply the main message for players is: 'You are not allowed to place ANY bet on ANY football, ANYWHERE.' This covers any match or competition, wherever it is played in the world. It means you cannot bet on scores or results, or any other event that takes place in any match or competition. It also means you cannot bet on any other football matter, worldwide – for example, who the next manager of a La Liga club will be. So don’t fall foul of the rules and remember – you cannot place ANY bet on ANY football, ANYWHERE. Those rules are from 2014 onwards, he's likely to have broken the previous rules as well. What did the previous rules state, no betting on own team or league? You were not allowed to bet on any competition your team was involved in.

I'm a bit torn after reading that, it seems like the Wolves players all heard different things and only came to the conclusion they did after conferring after the match. That evidence is absolutely laughable, anyone knows that the main issue with eye-witness testimony is allowing them to discuss the events as they can quite easily convince each other something that didn't occur. There was a test on TV once, where a staged crime was committed and some stooges were used to give out false evidence to other eye-witness testimonies. End result was people started saying stuff they blatantly didn't see. You can also then argue that "bald c***" to someone with a medical condition relating to baldness is just as bad and should be treated as severely as Shelvey's has. Sadly, as nobody can confirm who said it - they'll get away with it. I think Shelvey's previous behaviour and character precedes him here and that is one of the main reasons why the FA found him guilty of it.

Charged by the FA for placing 1,260 bets over a 10 year period Oh dear...

I'm not saying they didn't have an influence, I accept that they had a slight influence. However, they did not "change the course of history" as people (including the Chron) are suggesting We hired f***ing Carver, McClaren and bought f***ing idiots like Doumbia on dodgy deals before Rafa was appointed and the course of our history was changed. Lee Charnley didn't sit at work all those months ago thinking "oooh I better sack Schteve and bring Rafa in because of those angry SackPardew people" - he bought Rafa in because we were desperate to stay up at all costs and Ashley was willing to pay anything to achieve it. Rafa stayed because of the absolute class support he received, which the club realised. No no no no no, you've got it completely wrong here. A MASSIVE part of SackPardew was promoting 'short term pain for long term gain' in those exact words. Losses, poor managerial appointments, and relegation were accepted as certainties, such was the determination to just get rid of the horrible prick. So the appointment of Carver and McLaren weren't surprising at all in their ambitionlessness (definitely a word) ,in fact the appointment of McLaren was seen by some as being better than expected such is Ashley, Charley et al's ineptitude, but a poor managerial appointment was accepted by-and-large as something that needed to happen in order to break the cycle of hellish purgatory PR'd as heaven with and by Pardew. Although Rafa's appointment wasn't a direct result of SackPardew, the whole idea was to break the cycle with Pardew, to allow the club to eventually get the right man for the job, or to lead on to making the same noises against Ashley. Rafa happening so quickly is simply a sooner-than-expected vindication of the short term pain for long term gain approach over the careful what you wish for approach. Pardew left, rather than being sacked, we got McLaren, got relegated and still have Ashley. Looking in, it made no difference. Even the slightest reading between the lines though and it's pretty obvious that SackPardew was a push factor to Parish's pull factor and the club has improved greatly under Rafa, albeit in a lower division, as a result. To some it doesn't end until Ashley's gone, and I'm the same in terms of the long term, our identity as a club, what's happened, worrying/being able to relax etc, but there's certainly a lot more to be proud of in spite of Ashley and that's down to Rafa, who's down to McLaren, who's massively down to SackPardew imo. THAT was the watershed moment that started it all, and we're fortunate that the cause and affect can be shown with one manager in between the two. I agree KI that the hostility from the NUFC crowd was brought on by SP and I give them sole credit for that. However, SP did not achieve their aim (which was to get Pardew sacked). Had Palace not come in for Pardew, who knows how long he would have remained - as I said earlier, we were comfortable and midtable when he left, he was under very little pressure other than from the crowd. Parish saw a great opportunity for Palace (ha!) to take one of their heros back to their club, which again, SP was partially responsible for. But it is incredibly short sighted imo to say the change in the direction of the club is in any way down to SP. The only reason that Rafa was installed was because Ashley was desperate to keep us on the PL gravy train, there is no other reason for it. SP had no influence on that whatsoever. Pardew walked at the first opportunity he had after SP put the pressure on him. It's incredibly short sighted and may I say, a tad dense to not appreciate the impact SP had. And they did it in a non egotistical way too which imo increased their credibility by staying anonymous, we may never find out who they are but whoever they are, I hope they're/he/she is enjoying the target of their excellent website getting the tin tack from his club. I'm a "tad dense" yet you're completely missing the points or refusing to acknowledge it. I've accepted the impact SP had on Pardew leaving, however, I will not accept in any way SP having any impact in Rafa being hired/the change of stance from Ashley/Charnley as it's simply ludicrous due to the points that I've already stated several times.

I'm not saying they didn't have an influence, I accept that they had a slight influence. However, they did not "change the course of history" as people (including the Chron) are suggesting We hired f***ing Carver, McClaren and bought f***ing idiots like Doumbia on dodgy deals before Rafa was appointed and the course of our history was changed. Lee Charnley didn't sit at work all those months ago thinking "oooh I better sack Schteve and bring Rafa in because of those angry SackPardew people" - he bought Rafa in because we were desperate to stay up at all costs and Ashley was willing to pay anything to achieve it. Rafa stayed because of the absolute class support he received, which the club realised. No no no no no, you've got it completely wrong here. A MASSIVE part of SackPardew was promoting 'short term pain for long term gain' in those exact words. Losses, poor managerial appointments, and relegation were accepted as certainties, such was the determination to just get rid of the horrible prick. So the appointment of Carver and McLaren weren't surprising at all in their ambitionlessness (definitely a word) ,in fact the appointment of McLaren was seen by some as being better than expected such is Ashley, Charley et al's ineptitude, but a poor managerial appointment was accepted by-and-large as something that needed to happen in order to break the cycle of hellish purgatory PR'd as heaven with and by Pardew. Although Rafa's appointment wasn't a direct result of SackPardew, the whole idea was to break the cycle with Pardew, to allow the club to eventually get the right man for the job, or to lead on to making the same noises against Ashley. Rafa happening so quickly is simply a sooner-than-expected vindication of the short term pain for long term gain approach over the careful what you wish for approach. Pardew left, rather than being sacked, we got McLaren, got relegated and still have Ashley. Looking in, it made no difference. Even the slightest reading between the lines though and it's pretty obvious that SackPardew was a push factor to Parish's pull factor and the club has improved greatly under Rafa, albeit in a lower division, as a result. To some it doesn't end until Ashley's gone, and I'm the same in terms of the long term, our identity as a club, what's happened, worrying/being able to relax etc, but there's certainly a lot more to be proud of in spite of Ashley and that's down to Rafa, who's down to McLaren, who's massively down to SackPardew imo. THAT was the watershed moment that started it all, and we're fortunate that the cause and affect can be shown with one manager in between the two. I agree KI that the hostility from the NUFC crowd was brought on by SP and I give them sole credit for that. However, SP did not achieve their aim (which was to get Pardew sacked). Had Palace not come in for Pardew, who knows how long he would have remained - as I said earlier, we were comfortable and midtable when he left, he was under very little pressure other than from the crowd. Parish saw a great opportunity for Palace (ha!) to take one of their heros back to their club, which again, SP was partially responsible for. But it is incredibly short sighted imo to say the change in the direction of the club is in any way down to SP. The only reason that Rafa was installed was because Ashley was desperate to keep us on the PL gravy train, there is no other reason for it. SP had no influence on that whatsoever.

Love it when someone says something, get asked what they mean and then confuse themselves trying to convince people it was a credible point