Wolfcastle

Just takes the league leaders to equalise for the knives to come out does it?

Don't know if required an orgasm from Tyldsley like, the north-west favouring 20years past his sell-by-date prick

Usually is against Liverpool for some reason even when we have beaten them - post KK. The Pardew one, the Robert one's - none really stick in the memory as being good except the 3-0.

Murphy's done well th neet. Given and Fowler and the podium braving the gale force elements pitchside like storm chasers

Only complaint - 2-0 would be a fairer reflection.

The atmosphere at Liverpool is notoriously bad especially since the extension but they complained about it long before that. Must be the acoustic design. Even though it wasn't a problem with a flat and open (not keeping the sound in) one-tier stadium until the mid 90s.

Is the pic of SJP not even from the Spurs game where the boycott took place? Just the sort of freak incident they'd pick, completely at random, to try and illustrate a point, but failing that at least get another fantasy into mackem lore

Best season they've had in who know how long, could have gone top I gather, exciting team, manager etc. Minimum of 12,000 empty seats Been about two weeks since and about two weeks until stadium expansion craic on RTG though.

Whatever we do commercially the sides already ahead of us can do. We'll close the gap a bit, they'll make it as-you-were with a season ticket increase or something. They're not going to just stand still and there's a limit to what clubs outside the 6 can do given they'll invariably not be challenging. Investment is/was the only way. Nobody has got up there any other way since the the 80s/commercialisation of the game

I don't think we'll finish any higher than 7th but look at every achievement by any side any season and there'll be results that should have negated what they achieved in the end.

Tonali and Barnes were fine additions to the building of a club going to the top - supplemented with more of the same over following seasons changing the whole squad to top rank. For a club that basically cant go beyond 7th with all things being equal they weren't good signings, bit on the luxurious side rather than the smarter business of earlier

We cant and were not.

Contributes nothing, quite the opposite in fact. Even as 'just a body' until Lascelles/Botman and free he's not a good signing

Canny weekend for the cartel. Bar Man United they all win and all the ambitious clubs they've hobbled and have generally hit a glass ceiling of legislature dropped points.

They're hamstringing us. Often literally.

Owners that don't want to invest are nee bother at all.

Its so disproportionate. They've gone to more effort to prevent a top 7/8 than anything since at least the formation of the Premier League itself even that's debatable. All that would happen is it would make it more difficult for 4 clubs to win the league and Spurs to look more like also-rans but as a trade off you get more big games and two more massive clubs. That's worth tearing up what's worked for 125years for and chrystalising things as they lay?

Every stadium in the premier league has a poor atmosphere, whatever the shape and that pretty much covers every option, whether new or old. The various incarnations of SJP have all had good and bad atmospheres. The wide open at both ends pre Premier League desigh, the 36k incarnation or the 52k. Its the type of people in the stadiums that's the problem and there'd be more of those not less the bigger the stadiums get.

Didn't care about the profit and sustainability of smaller clubs when they carved the PL up to keep the gate reciepts from them and subsequently success with it. In the 10years prior we had or would have had Watford, Southampton, Ipswich, QPR, Norwich (twice), Oxford, Luton, Forest, Wimbledon and Coventry in Europe. Couldn't help but notice how that dramatically changed in the PL era, and is obviousl over forever now.

If Forest weren't massively held back by new rules this would have been a bigger and more competitive game, instead a forgettable procession.

These rules consign them to competing with West Brom and Norwich financially and put us beyond their reach forever, no matter who owns them. The dizzying heights of clinging on to fourth bottom in the PL was only possible because of big investment from different owners Stuffs them but if it holds us back that's the most important thing

Yes, an Ashley style ran club would be less than it really is, we could flirt with relegation doing the bare minimum, get caught out a few times and come back - much smaller clubs ran the Ashley way would be certain of relegation. Their ambition is more to stagnate, Ashley's was more how little could we invest and drop without getting relegated.

Spent 14years getting shafted by an owner with no ambition only to get shafted by ten other owners also with no ambition and the perfect excuse to show none.

Furthermore how many atmospheres have improved at new stadiums? Cant think of any in England and only Juventus and Bayern Just believe the debate and decisions shouldn't be based on the idea that a new stadium would mean we'd win things and that the atmosphere would improve. It'll barely make any difference competitively and the latter wont happen

Would have saved me and a lot fans all around the country a lot of bother, money and time if asking parents after a miserable loss in the old 2nd Division if they'd ever be a top team and being told "no, the top teams wouldn't like it, so its outlawed" instead of "you never know a millionaire/billionaire/group of local businessmen/another Abramovich could happen".