Kid Icarus

Wonder who 'the club' involved in the discussions with Isak are that Eddie refers to. Doubt it's Yasir, we have no CEO, and the lads who've been put in charge of our football transfers have a humiliation fetish. I can't believe anyone in our position would sell him to Liverpool or another PL club, but they've shown themselves to be such utter pushovers this summer that I think they'll manage it and rubberstamp easily the worst Newcastle transfer window of my lifetime.

Van Persie to Man United probably. He almost single-handedly won Man United the league and Arsenal entered their banter era.

It's really stupid. If you want to ramp up the fee so another team can't get them you do it so it's out of grasp, not £10m above their reported offer and if you want to do it so they'll meet a valuation you don't bid £20m below Newcastle's valuation. If these fuckers sell him to Liverpool it's all over like. I can see it as well.

It really is staggering how small time it is considering the amount of resources that could have been put in place long ago.

Which drove up the price for Mbeumo. Can see where this is going because I support Newcastle, but I really hope this is something that redefines who we are and we don't capitulate for literally no reason

How many fucking iterations of If Newcastle change their stance If Newcastle open the door If Newcastle shift their position are there going to be? This is exactly the sort of media driven shit Liverpool fans rightly cry foul of when it's done to them.

No reason for it to be made up by anyone at Man City. Bottom line is it's more to go on than an assertion.

You could, but it would still be you writing off something that has more backing it up. I think the multiple reports on our fumbling (as part of a noticeable pattern of us fumbling) makes it a fairly credible story, but agree to disagree.

Confirmation bias tbh. What about when that didn't happen last summer? Or Ornstein reporting that if we'd met Burnley's valuation pre CWC Man City wouldn't have gone for him?

It was fit for purpose. I don't think what we're doing now is the same, especially because the people enacting it can't get it done like Staveley and Ghodoussi could.

I've just answered with the evidence we do have available to us. The point is that you're giving credence to a theory that doesn't just have even less evidence, but as far as I can tell has none.

The best confirmation we have available is the multiple reporters and Trafford himself saying that a deal was done and he was coming. Those same reporters claim that Mitchell put a stop to it. That's the best confirmation we have available, unless you have anything to confirm your own theory?

I mean yeah. Multiple journalists close to both clubs and the player have reported that the deal was done last year, your assertion is that Man City were always coming in based on your own theory.

I mean he has no reason to make that tidbit up. However you want to spin it, in your best case scenario - where Man City were apparently always going to step in out of spite instead of just going for him anyway - we still ended up eventually meeting Burnley's valuation much, much later, leaving us now with no time for a replacement and 2 fucking years of groundwork completely wasted.

This is pure trust me bro logic in the face of the reporting on it we actually have from multiple sources. Ornstein, Hope, Edwards, Caulkin and Waugh

Because pre-transfers are a thing. We did it a few times early on under PIF. Also, according to Ornstein if we'd met Burnley's valuation before the CWC instead of fannying aroun lowballing as usual, Man City wouldn't have activated their buy back then - presumably because Ederson wanting away wasn't known then.

Fucking joke innit. Absolute clown show

Absolutely no chance we're one of those clubs

That's a description of where we're at, yeah.

Oh aye, what we need is more things imported from America

Only one that comes close is last summer, which says it all.

Not only that, they kept him despite Arsenal meeting his release clause. Liverpool threatened to sue knowing they'd lose but also knowing that the delay would mean he still wouldn't go there.

Can only go on reports, but they say they didn't activate it last summer and now Ornstein's saying they wouldn't have pre CWC. All of the signs point to us fucking up a tap in twice.

Too low this summer pre CWC. It's last summer it was all done and agreed at £20m.

The burden of evidence is on the method actually being used and it's been a failure for a while now. I'm not saying 'here's the method that will work and here's the evidence that it will work' - partly because there's no evidence for something we haven't once tried - but I am saying 'this method evidently doesn't work, why not try this as an alternative method, or another method again?' Watching us do the same failing method time and again is driving me mental.