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To be clear, I don’t advocate going to games, which is why I personally don’t attend. What I was trying to get across is that 14 years is a long long time and people have obviously become tired, embittered and lost because he’s still here. I don’t think I’m really getting my point across properly though. Fundamentally, I agree with you, walking away is the only real option, but clearly some won’t.

Part of the issue with protests is that the cunt we’re protesting against has been here so bastard long. I mean, there will be kids born when he took over that won’t be long taking their GCSEs…not that I think we shouldn’t try in some way, but a lot has been tried and he endures. It’s incredibly hard. Fucking hate the man.

Exactly, plus, in a system where there is a more risk attached to the attacking play, the strength of ASM (trying to beat a few) becomes a risk to the team as he loses it and leaves it susceptible to a fast transition. NUFC on the other hand sit back and let him do it all, so if he loses it, theoretically there are enough players camped in our own half to deal with it, as we rarely commit more than about 3 players forward at any one time

I wondered about why no one took a punt and the only conclusion I can come to is that top teams don’t like that he doesn’t release it often enough/view him as a bit “playground” and the level below that would probably see better value elsewhere (Bailey for example)

Anyway, I’m not saying anyone is wrong, I just personally don’t think it makes sense for some sort of deal to happen to ensure anti-Bruce chants aren’t heard on tv. However, I’m happy to be proven wrong if it ever comes to light

I saw that too. I guess we will never know, but I don’t think the logical conclusion is that the mics were switched off. I’m not saying it definitely didn’t happen, but I just don’t see why that would be the case. Does it protect Bruce? Not really because he would still be hearing it in the ground and get asked about it after…

The argument about Gayle being crap at getting into games is a fair point, but when all is said and done you need to score goals to win games. I don’t think it’s necessarily an argument of Joelinton vs Gayle tbh. If your second striker (Gayle) has a specific set of strengths and weaknesses that are different to your first choice, well then the system you use should be adapted to try and reduce the impact of the weaknesses and play to his strengths. It would require some form of plan which we clearly do not have. Gayle has to start games when Wilson is out. He is the only other striker we have that can finish chances. In fact we don’t even have another striker.

Watched online hoping it would turn nasty. As far as I could tell, the atmosphere sounded pretty meek. I mean, isn’t it a bit unlikely that they turned the mics down? A big fallout/protest surely creates talking points and excitement around the game…

The idiots that have bought season tickets are the last folk who would be interested in supporting some form of protest. Absolute cucks

Even with the holiday stuff taken out of the equation, do the players not have like an app or a copy of their training schedule for the season? It’s like a bunch of fucking kids starting secondary school man. “Miss, I don’t know what lesson I have”, “Miss, I’ve lost my timetable”, “Miss, Matty said we have assembly now”… Honestly we are so shit man

"Ok here goes : 2. Any examples you can point to ? 5. Hearts are tiny compared to us - Chalk and cheese 6. 1% = No say or control over anything - its the ultimate feel good but pointless gesture 7. Why would any club give someone / an entity owning a mere 1% of shares a seat on the board or any say in how the club is run . That IS fantasy 8. You might as well cut out the middleman and give it to charity - except do it now instead of years in the future - they need your £ now and they need it much more than NUST do" I count one question, which was answered. Unless you don't know how to use a question mark.

I look forward to hearing about your research finding about all the interesting and valuable community-led initiatives that have changed people's lives btw @InspectorCoarse. You can tell us all about the examples you've found out about.

That's the post of a total troll to be honest. It's disingenuous to state that a) people haven't advocated their views and b) to imply that you're open to debate. You're asking me to waste my time to try and convince you of something you have no intention of being convinced about, and you're acting the tit about it to boot.

Well I have shared are my own personal views on why am pledging, as asked, and no, I don't feel the need to defend my own personal reasons for pledging, because they are personal, and undoubtedly wrapped up in my emotional relationship to the club as much as anything else. I'm also not trying to convince you to part with your money - I'm not here to persuade you, I'm certainly not interested in the 'sell'. BTW there are literally thousands of community interest organisations, social enterprises and projects around that are doing amazing things that change people's lives up here including community ownership of land, men's sheds, refuweegee, freedom bakery, all the parkruns, gala day organising committees, the children's wood. If you have look through Foundation Scotland's website there are lots and lots of projects that have received small grants, but who started from nothing.

Anyway, I've given my views on why I'm behind it in response to @reefatoon's post. I can't and won't change people's minds, so I'll just leave my post at that and let everyone move on.

Sorry, are you asking me to provide examples of community organising work I've been involved in? Is this a job interview?

Maybe that might have been a good option I don't know. I feel like most of the opposition to the scheme comes from an 'it'll never work' argument than a 'will I see my money again' argument, but I could be wrong.

Okay, fine. Perhaps the tone of my posts don't help the discussion. The reasons I am pledging are as follows; 1. I have some hope for a better Newcastle in the future, which I want to bring my son to. I desperately want him to be able to experience the joy of supporting this mad, mad club. 2. In my own life I have spent a lot of time in community organising, and I understand how small actions started now can make a big difference in the future. Okay there are no guarantees but nothing is ever guaranteed. 3. I'd rather this club spent a decade in the bloody northern league with an active and involved fan ownership model than this hollow shell of a club we have now. 4. I don't miss the money each month, as, to me, it's basically the cost of 2 pints. 5. I see how the Hearts foundation have managed to develop here and I see no reason why we cannot do similar. 6. The aim of 1% ownership is not a fantasy - more like saving to buy your house. You start now, and in future, who knows when the place you want might be up for sale. 7. 1% ownership and a position on the board is by far and away better representation in NUFC related matters than anything we have ever had. 8. I don't really mind if it fails and my money goes to charity. Hope that clears some stuff up.

Anyway, I’m happy to let them take £10 a month from my account that I would otherwise be spending on caviar and copies of the Daily Mail

Can anyone think of any other thing in life that is proposed and absolutely guaranteed to happen in the future? You’re investing in an idea with risk attached, which isn’t guaranteed to work, just like a thousand other things in life that are ultimately not guaranteed. Honestly it’s boring how much people whinge on the sideline about the “plans” as if they need a cast iron guarantee of X before they can consider it worthwhile. I can only assume that the same people are absolutely delighted with the current stasis because it provides them with the safety of a known quantity to piss and moan about

Okay mate I’ll stop living in my ivory tower here in Glasgow and start thinking about how the only people who can possibly afford to pay a tenner a month are cunts rolling around in 4 x 4s, shopping at Waitrose. Sure most working people going to the match can afford a tenner a month, whether they choose too is another thing. I’ll get back to the Mail online, need to catch up on my hate.

“But it’s people’s hard earned cassshhhhh!!!!” Give over man, it’s a £10 a month and most people are pissing that away on shite from Amazon/bets/cans/pret. You’re going on like it’s a gigantic financial commitment. Obviously for some who are destitute, it’s not feasible, but to go on like it’s some sort of mad financial scheme to fleece people from their cash is totally disingenuous

Here come the posts shitting on individual players…

Gammon faced Southgate haters out in force again like we’re Brazil ‘70 and he’s fucking Howard Wilkinson…people are idiots man

Heard a good chorus of sad mackem bastard