Matt1892

'Something needs to change' - fans' verdict on defeat at Brentford We asked for your thoughts after Sunday's Premier League game between Brentford and Newcastle. Here are some of your comments: Steve: This is another Eddie Howe mistake. The midfield has needed a change for a while. Dan Burn struggles at left-back while England's best full-back sits on the bench. Huge pressure on the boss now. Not good enough and he knows it. Alvin: Sorely lacking. Nick Pope lacking the ability to organise a defence or kick a ball properly. Lacking pace and creativity at full-back, with Kieran Trippier and, unbelievably, Burn. Lacking fluency and control in midfield, Bruno Guimaraes turning in what is becoming a customary anodyne performance. Lacking a cutting edge up front without anyone running beyond an isolated Nick Woltemade. And it seems Howe is lacking ideas to turn it around. It is just lacking. Jackie: Terrible again. Burn staying on after his booking was an absolutely ludicrous decision by Howe. Truly awful to watch yet again, with Harvey Barnes' goal the only time Caoimhin Kelleher had to get involved. Howe gets a very easy ride from the media but four points from 27 is embarrassing. He has been found out. We keep hearing that this midfield trio is as good as anyone's, but I'm still yet to see it. Wayne: Another absolutely appalling performance on the road, making our run away from home the worst under Howe. We have serious problems right now. We look lacklustre: going forward, our midfield being opened up with ease and defensively we look all over the place and are conceding a lot of goals. Something needs to change. John: Once again, Newcastle seemed unable to pass the ball and retain possession, particularly in the first half, when we looked short of confidence and ideas. My guess is that the team was so used to feeding the ball to Alexander Isak that, now he is gone, there is a void up front which hasn't been filled by Woltemade. He tends to play deeper and, although he has scored a few goals, they have all been from inside the box from set-pieces or passes into the area. He is not the type of player to receive the ball 40 or 50 yards out and run with it. I hope Yoane Wissa provides a better outlet when he is fit. Andrew: Howe's biggest failing was not making his substitutions sooner. Burn was struggling and a second yellow waiting to happen. He left it too late and we paid the price. Sadly, I believe the first penalty shout should have been a penalty! https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united

Burn was fine in the first half, but when he got lucky with what should have been a penalty it was obvious that they would try and isolate him and that he should be substituted. The fact that we didn’t isn’t on him, but on Howe.

We are playing with the same tactics we did when Isak was here, despite him being a completely different type of striker, which isn’t getting the best out of him and we are suffering for it. I am not convinced Howe partners him and Wissa either, in the same way he hasn’t partnered him with Osula when we have been chasing games. The wide forwards need to play narrow for the current set up to work, yet they hug the touch line and we often have nobody in the middle.

I’m not convinced that is true.

The problem I think is that we still play the same tactics with Woltemade up top that we did with Isak, and it is leaving us looking toothless because Woltemade comes deep rather than playing on the shoulder of the last man and the wide forwards are still out hugging the touch line. He will get the season unless the home fans turn on him and the team, which could happen sooner rather than later.

Botman honking today.

That one wasn’t a penalty.

That was a penalty.

Need to pick up 3 points here, this isn’t Brentford under Thomas Frank that had Wissa and Mbeumo in attack and Norgaard in midfield that were difficult to beat.

If we can get anywhere near the money that was talked about for Osula at the end of the summer window then he should be sold.

Haaland is just ridiculous

There is a long way to go this season so he has the time to turn it around. 12 points from 10 games is a 46 point season, he needs to be looking at 60 points for European football unless we get there through a cup.

It is what the wide players should be doing. They need to play narrow off Woltemade filling the space he has created by pulling the centre back out of position, with the fullbacks supporting creating width. Shame we haven’t got a centre midfielder who can run beyond, although Joelinton does make that bending run when he plays wide left.

Woltemade likely taken off for his pathetic attempt at closing down for the Botman own goal, directly in front of Howe right before half time.

Dan Burn kept on for the long throws.

Tonali right back.

Ramsey should have taken the shot then.

Shambolic out there.

It’s not as if West Ham are playing well this half.

Bit harsh on Botman.

I can’t see Hall coming on any time soon as Howe will want Burn on for deadballs.

Big Nick with Rashford levels of effort closing down in the build up to the own goal.

No energy in our play at all. Tonali has been the only one from the midfield or attack that has played well.

My understanding is that it would depend if the ball was live or not when the ref blew the whistle for a penalty, so if it had come of Thiaw and gone out of play before tue ref blew for a penalty then it would have reset as a corner, but if the ref blew for a penalty before it went out of play then it would have been a dropped ball for the keeper.

Did he blow the whistle for a penalty before it went out of play?