Guest Magic Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 The thing is, I don't think anyone's suggested that he may well be holding out for more money simply so he can give more money to worthy causes, or at least so he can buy a bigger house and more random stuff, the money for which will filter down and benefit the local economy, allowing businesses and individuals to thrive, homeless people to find employment, animal shelters to exist. After all, I believe you can generally tell the success and freedom of a society by how much more entertainers get paid than people who actually do something properly helpful and worthwhile. Essentially Steven Taylor is quite literally a hero and some of the responses in this thread are horribly malicious and vindictive, not only to Steven Taylor, but also to every fellow man striving for a more meaningful and worthwhile existence. Shame on some of you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jamesmartinsmith Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 We've got someone like Faye on £30,000 a week and still insult Taylor with a third of that. What a load of shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 We've got someone like Faye on £30,000 a week and still insult Taylor with a third of that. What a load of shite. You've no idea mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Faye needs £30k a week man, you can't expect him to live on the shitty pensions they're giving out these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 The bulk of this thread reminds me of a piece of advice that Sherlock Holmes gives to Watson, to the effect that it's a major mistake to theorise without data, because invariably you begin to twist facts to fit theories, instead of theories to fit facts. In other words, without knowing the details of the offer that has been made to Taylor, in my opinion it's impossible for us to know whether the offer is insulting, reasonable, generous, or perhaps even over the top, never mind guessing at what his weekly pay packet would amount to. Furthermore, I don't think that we can deduce much by trying to "read between the lines" of how it might compare to the terms that Zoggy and Milner have recently accepted, as it's by no means clear whether Alf Taylor estimates those players' talents and market value to be inferior, equal, or superior to that of his son, or whether his estimates in this regard are anywhere near accurate. In a nutshell then, and on the basis of what little we know, I don't feel that we're in a position to judge whether or not the general drift of Alf Taylor's comments is at all justified. Echoing what others have written above, what I do feel confident in saying is that Alf Taylor's reference to Gerrard and Carragher was clearly ill-advised (whatever its "potential", a tadpole is not a frog, after all), as were his comments which alluded to the wage insanity of NUFC's recent past as a guide to what we might / should expect in the present and future. Most importantly, and again as others have remarked above, it would seem obvious to me that there are much better places than the press for contract negotiations to be thrashed out. I just hope that all we're witnessing is a rather clumsy handling of negotiations by Alf Taylor, and that commonsense will prevail, with his son amicably signing a suitable long term contract in the not too distant future. That way, Big Sam can continue with the task of turning our "promising tadpole" into a "certified frog"! :clap: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zeta87 Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Give the kid decent new contract for his loyalty and skills.. surely he deserves it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Taylor is a young defender with some decent attributes - no more, no less. As to the rights & wrongs of the situation, if either he or his father are comparing his situation to that of Milner or N'Zogbia, then I don't think its as clear cut as that ; there is a similarity in their ages, but in my opinion, both Milner and Zog have illustrated more potential in that they both have the basic skills necessary for their positions - Taylor lacks the pace to be a really top centre-half, and this was shown up all too clearly against Mido at Boro. Yes, he has a good physique, decent temperament and can tackle - he actually looked less exposed at RB against Wigan than he sometimes does at CB, when he resorts to giving away silly fouls in dangerous positions... Some of this can be eliminated by experience etc., but you can not increase pace when a player reaches his age - IF he is being paid significantly less than the two young players mentioned, then yes, he does deserve an increase, but if you are comparing him to the central defenders we now have on the books, it is obvious to most of us that he is going to be third choice behind Roz & Capaca, and even Beye challenges him for the RB position, so it is going to be a while before he becomes a first team regular. The crux of the whole question is whether Sam rates him or not - if he doesn't, we may well see him leave - this sort of thing happens in football when a new manager comes in and I remember the furore when Lee sold Supermac to Arsenal; as long as the club/team is going in the right direction, you have to back the managers judgment - SJH allowed KK to scrap the Reserves in 1996, which is something I think I would have objected to..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaetihS Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 30,00 a week? 40,000 a week? Isn't this the type of money Berbatov is on at Spurs? What are people takling about on here? The most I would give Taylor is £15,000 a week. He has achieved nothing in the game. Always been more of a showman who plays to the crowd, I just have never been able to take him seriously in a way. Is he really a no nonsense hard nosed defender? Not in my opinion. People constantly compare him to Terry, but he doesn't have the aggression and fight in him at all. Just has a similar build that's it ... Let me tell you something Onuoha and Richards at Man City are real no nonsense defenders who are both far better than Taylor at this point in my opinion. It was Onuoha I constantly saw doing everything in the under 21s but due to Taylors gallant play on one foot Oscar performance he got all the plaudits. Onuoha's quiet personality meant he wasn't even mentioned. Totally agreed. Taylor is way overrated and overhyped. Definitely not worth 30k per week. Has not really seen any qualities in him to be a good defender except for his physical strength. Whats more he lacks intelligence and quickness in the mind which Richards have in abundance. Also not as comfortable on the ball as i would like and also, everytime he tries to bring the ball out of defence or pass, i cringe. He is soley captain of U21 cos he is one the more experienced players and also media hype. Richards who is much younger has made it to the first team is enuff said. Yes, i do think that Onuoha will surpass Taylor in years to come as true quality will surface and Taylor i just living on his much hyped potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaetihS Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 The bulk of this thread reminds me of a piece of advice that Sherlock Holmes gives to Watson, to the effect that it's a major mistake to theorise without data, because invariably you begin to twist facts to fit theories, instead of theories to fit facts. In other words, without knowing the details of the offer that has been made to Taylor, in my opinion it's impossible for us to know whether the offer is insulting, reasonable, generous, or perhaps even over the top, never mind guessing at what his weekly pay packet would amount to. Furthermore, I don't think that we can deduce much by trying to "read between the lines" of how it might compare to the terms that Zoggy and Milner have recently accepted, as it's by no means clear whether Alf Taylor estimates those players' talents and market value to be inferior, equal, or superior to that of his son, or whether his estimates in this regard are anywhere near accurate. In a nutshell then, and on the basis of what little we know, I don't feel that we're in a position to judge whether or not the general drift of Alf Taylor's comments is at all justified. Echoing what others have written above, what I do feel confident in saying is that Alf Taylor's reference to Gerrard and Carragher was clearly ill-advised (whatever its "potential", a tadpole is not a frog, after all), as were his comments which alluded to the wage insanity of NUFC's recent past as a guide to what we might / should expect in the present and future. Most importantly, and again as others have remarked above, it would seem obvious to me that there are much better places than the press for contract negotiations to be thrashed out. I just hope that all we're witnessing is a rather clumsy handling of negotiations by Alf Taylor, and that commonsense will prevail, with his son amicably signing a suitable long term contract in the not too distant future. That way, Big Sam can continue with the task of turning our "promising tadpole" into a "certified frog"! Sensible post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Taylor is a young defender with some decent attributes - no more, no less. As to the rights & wrongs of the situation, if either he or his father are comparing his situation to that of Milner or N'Zogbia, then I don't think its as clear cut as that ; there is a similarity in their ages, but in my opinion, both Milner and Zog have illustrated more potential in that they both have the basic skills necessary for their positions - Taylor lacks the pace to be a really top centre-half, and this was shown up all too clearly against Mido at Boro. Yes, he has a good physique, decent temperament and can tackle - he actually looked less exposed at RB against Wigan than he sometimes does at CB, when he resorts to giving away silly fouls in dangerous positions... Some of this can be eliminated by experience etc., but you can not increase pace when a player reaches his age - IF he is being paid significantly less than the two young players mentioned, then yes, he does deserve an increase, but if you are comparing him to the central defenders we now have on the books, it is obvious to most of us that he is going to be third choice behind Roz & Capaca, and even Beye challenges him for the RB position, so it is going to be a while before he becomes a first team regular. The crux of the whole question is whether Sam rates him or not - if he doesn't, we may well see him leave - this sort of thing happens in football when a new manager comes in and I remember the furore when Lee sold Supermac to Arsenal; as long as the club/team is going in the right direction, you have to back the managers judgment - SJH allowed KK to scrap the Reserves in 1996, which is something I think I would have objected to..... i think taylor has enough pace to be a centre-half, easily. he's no slower than john terry, for instance. but his positioning and anticipation are not the best. mido ran no faster than Taylor for the boro goal, it was the two player's respective starting positions that damned taylor, letting Mido get far enough away to have sufficient time on the ball to do damage. that's one of taylor's problems, and he doesn't have the pace to compensate for it, to use his pace to get him out of trouble like Ferdinand or Richards. Richards for instance has similar problems with positioning and anticipation but his immense pace and power mean it's not a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest clarkyshan Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 alf taylor = alf garnett more like he aint got a clue and he is saying some stupid things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 alf taylor = alf garnett more like he aint got a clue and he is saying some stupid things. Comparing his his son with Gerrard and Carragher. He sounds like he should just stick to gardening and stop insulting the intelligence of the supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 alf taylor = alf garnett more like he aint got a clue and he is saying some stupid things. Comparing his his son with Gerrard and Carragher. He sounds like he should just stick to gardening and stop insulting the intelligence of the supporters. Which is probably what Taylor told him when read the article Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brendan_Rice Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Taylor bleeds black and white and I see him as a future Newcastle captain. He is a young lad and has a lot to learn and as with most defenders will peak later in his career. Nothing wrong with turning down a contract he doesn't see fit, 5 years is a long time to commit to a crap contract. No doubt NUFC will sort the contract out as I am sure no-one wants to see Steven line up against us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Rafa alerted to Taylor new contract rejection By Scott Wilson LIVERPOOL boss Rafael Benitez has been placed on red alert after Newcastle centre-half Steven Taylor turned down the offer of a new five-year contract at St James' Park. Taylor, who is the most successful player to have emerged from Newcastle's Academy in the best part of a decade, was in Montenegro last night captaining England Under-21s. But, in his absence, his father and representative, Alf, confirmed the defender had rejected an offer that was described as "disappointing". The news has been greeted with interest at Anfield, where Benitez has long coveted arguably the most promising young centre-half in the English game. And while the Liverpool manager opted not to make a formal offer for Taylor's services during the summer transfer window, sources on Merseyside suggest he will attempt to sign the North-Easterner if the current impasse is not resolved by January 1. With Sami Hyypia approaching retirement, Benitez is understood to regard Taylor as an ideal back-up to his preferred defensive partnership of Jamie Carragher and Daniel Agger. Taylor's current Magpies contract runs to 2009 but, after making 44 senior starts last season, the 21-year-old is looking to secure an improved deal. James Milner and Charles N'Zogbia have both re-negotiated pre-existing deals recently, and Taylor had been hoping to follow suit. But while he insists he has no intention of leaving Newcastle, he is clearly frustrated at the club's unwillingness to meet his demands. "I only hope they are not trying to force Steven out," said his father, Alf. "He loves Newcastle United and it is the only club he wants to play for, but he is most disappointed at what they are offering." Taylor is currently one of the lowest-paid first-team players on Newcastle's books. While summer signing Abdoulaye Faye is understood to be earning around £30,000-a-week after completing a summer move from Bolton, Taylor is believed to be commanding less than a third of that figure despite earning a call-up to Steve McClaren's senior England squad last month. "Fans seeing the likes of Albert Luque and Jean-Alain Boumsong coming into the club with massive wages must think Steven is on big bucks, but that is not the case," added Taylor senior. "He is not playing for Newcastle for the money, but because he loves football and the club. "But having said that, it is a short career and the financial aspect is still important. "Fortunately, while he is disappointed, Steven has never - nor ever will - let it affect his performance on the field. "He is a local lad who only wants to play for his local team. "But perhaps that is why his contract offer is not in the same category as those players who are coming in from all over the place. "Yet I do not see this being a problem at Liverpool with Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher." Taylor was not the only Newcastle player on Under-21 duty last night, as Charles N'Zogbia was making his bow for France's junior side against Wales in Grenoble. The versatile left-footer has been rewarded with a lucrative deal after his impressive start to the new season and, while France are hardly short of talent on the international stage, he is already eyeing a promotion to Raymond Domenech's senior squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Rafa alerted to Taylor new contract rejection By Scott Wilson LIVERPOOL boss Rafael Benitez has been placed on red alert after Newcastle centre-half Steven Taylor turned down the offer of a new five-year contract at St James' Park. Taylor, who is the most successful player to have emerged from Newcastle's Academy in the best part of a decade, was in Montenegro last night captaining England Under-21s. But, in his absence, his father and representative, Alf, confirmed the defender had rejected an offer that was described as "disappointing". The news has been greeted with interest at Anfield, where Benitez has long coveted arguably the most promising young centre-half in the English game. And while the Liverpool manager opted not to make a formal offer for Taylor's services during the summer transfer window, sources on Merseyside suggest he will attempt to sign the North-Easterner if the current impasse is not resolved by January 1. With Sami Hyypia approaching retirement, Benitez is understood to regard Taylor as an ideal back-up to his preferred defensive partnership of Jamie Carragher and Daniel Agger. Taylor's current Magpies contract runs to 2009 but, after making 44 senior starts last season, the 21-year-old is looking to secure an improved deal. James Milner and Charles N'Zogbia have both re-negotiated pre-existing deals recently, and Taylor had been hoping to follow suit. But while he insists he has no intention of leaving Newcastle, he is clearly frustrated at the club's unwillingness to meet his demands. "I only hope they are not trying to force Steven out," said his father, Alf. "He loves Newcastle United and it is the only club he wants to play for, but he is most disappointed at what they are offering." Taylor is currently one of the lowest-paid first-team players on Newcastle's books. While summer signing Abdoulaye Faye is understood to be earning around £30,000-a-week after completing a summer move from Bolton, Taylor is believed to be commanding less than a third of that figure despite earning a call-up to Steve McClaren's senior England squad last month. "Fans seeing the likes of Albert Luque and Jean-Alain Boumsong coming into the club with massive wages must think Steven is on big bucks, but that is not the case," added Taylor senior. "He is not playing for Newcastle for the money, but because he loves football and the club. "But having said that, it is a short career and the financial aspect is still important. "Fortunately, while he is disappointed, Steven has never - nor ever will - let it affect his performance on the field. "He is a local lad who only wants to play for his local team. "But perhaps that is why his contract offer is not in the same category as those players who are coming in from all over the place. "Yet I do not see this being a problem at Liverpool with Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher." Taylor was not the only Newcastle player on Under-21 duty last night, as Charles N'Zogbia was making his bow for France's junior side against Wales in Grenoble. The versatile left-footer has been rewarded with a lucrative deal after his impressive start to the new season and, while France are hardly short of talent on the international stage, he is already eyeing a promotion to Raymond Domenech's senior squad. Highlighted the key points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Is he looking for parity with Milner and N'Zogbia? If so, I don't think it's a problem, but if he's asking for more then he should be given a good slap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Even more interesting that his dad mentioned Gerrard and Carragher now isn't it, with Liverpool supposedly on the prowl. Didn't someone start a thread about this supposed interest from Liverpool in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deep456 Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Actually he wants 15k a week but is being given less than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 With Sami Hyypia approaching retirement, Benitez is understood to regard Taylor as an ideal back-up to his preferred defensive partnership of Jamie Carragher and Daniel Agger. Here's a key point you have missed. He's only going to warm the bench at Anfield assuming the story is true which is debateable. I doubt he's going to be paid much more than we will considering his rank, and the fact that he's going to be on the bench alongside Hyppia who will be preferred as primary back up. 4th choice then - still, no harm in using a bit of speculation to try and get a better deal here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Actually he wants 15k a week but is being given less than that. You know this how? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Taylor once again confusing his talent with his ego still, 9k is a disgrace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Taylor is on £9,000 a week at the minute. should be on alot more How does he manage to live on a poxy 9k a week? My heart bleeds!!!!!!!! w@nker! Ignorant post tbh Ignorant? how exactly? I know players earn much much more but nobody on the planet deserves 9k a week for kicking a ball about. People who do important things like heart transplants earn far far less! So why target Taylor??? Cos i have had a few beers I logged on and this thread was the first one i read! simple really! you have a problem with that? Well do us a favour and log back off then. Or alternatively answer the question, why target Taylor over the fact that the majority of Premier League footballers earn more than surgeons. As I said before, an ignorant post Perhaps the title of the thread was the reason he mentioned Taylor? Just a thought like... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Actually he wants 15k a week but is being given less than that. No, he's been offered more than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Actually he wants 15k a week but is being given less than that. No, he's been offered more than that. Does anyone actually know? There's too many my nan's postman's brother stories in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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