Guest bobthemag Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 The clock is ticking for him now where will he go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Not sure if this should of went in the Danny Guthrie thread Lucas vs Guthrie - I would have taken Danny every time Rafa For all the criticism that has gone the way of the Liverpool Academy at Kirkby over the last few years, there have been success stories. Stephen Warnock has certainly demonstrated with his subsequent success at both Blackburn Rovers and Aston Villa that there are players with talent coming through the youth ranks on Merseyside. Danny Guthrie is certainly another example of this, and although he was a youth at Manchester United for a number of years, the majority of his football education came at Liverpool from 16 years old, up until he broke into first in October 2006 at the age of 19. Guthrie stated as much recently that he learned a lot during his time at Anfield and especially from the Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard: “I’ve been at Liverpool with Gerrard, and, for me, he’s the best central midfielder in Europe. You can only learn good things from him and I’d like to think that’s come into my game. You see him every day, and how he handles himself. He’s a top lad, and it was all good experience. When I was growing up there was Scholes, Keane and Vieira. As I got a bit older there was Lampard and Gerrard. It was great to work with him and hopefully that can benefit me and Newcastle United.” His desire to emulate Gerrard, as he says, certainly shows through in his game. During his time at Anfield, he was called up for the England Under-15 schoolboys and the England U-20’s side before his performances in the Academy team impressed enough for him to become a leading figure in the Reds reserves where he became a regular captain for the side. From here though, he didn’t break through into the Liverpool first team reckoning and was subsequently loaned out to Southampton and Bolton Wanderers. During his time especially at Bolton he impressed me and many others in his strong displays in midfield. He played 30 games for the Trotters during the 2007/08 season and played 6 times in the UEFA Cup. Such a season gave Guthrie bags of experience and I thought at the time it would hold him in great stead on his return to Anfield in the summer. However, it was clear that Rafa Benitez had already made up his mind on the 21 year old Guthrie and he was transferred for £2.5million to Newcastle United. It was a sizeable sum for a player with just one year of Premier League experience but then Magpies boss Kevin Keegan was confident of Guthrie succeeding on Tyneside. He compared the midfielder to previous Newcastle stars Rob Lee and Paul Bracewell: “Young Danny Guthrie, he’s a little bit of a mix, for the older fans, between Paul Bracewell and Rob Lee. He’s that type of player. Good engine, a very good passer of the ball. A link-up player who can get around the field and of course in the Premier League you need that. And over time he’ll probably learn to play in a defensive-midfield holding position.” There are certainly comparisons to be made with Gerrard as well though. Guthrie is an all-action, energetic, box to box midfielder and his strong running, competitive style has won him many admirers with the Toon Army. He is an excellent passer of the ball and can be superb when delivering free-kicks or corners. During his time at Newcastle he has established himself in the starting eleven, forming a good central midfield partnership with Nicky Butt in the 2008/09 season, while this campaign in the Championship he has been a key figure in Newcastle’s push for promotion. Even just last weekend at Barnsley he put in a man of the match performance, scoring two goals in a 6-1 victory. Such performances make me wish he never left Liverpool. Although Lucas is a decent defensive midfielder, I would take Guthrie over him any day of the week. Not to mention that he was a product of the Liverpool youth system, he offers a great deal more going forward than Lucas and during Liverpool’s current troubles, I certainly would have loved to see both Guthrie and Gerrard fighting for every ball and then being able to combine going forward. I think Rafa made a misjudgement on Guthrie and although it would certainly be harsh to say it was a blatant error due to the fact that Guthrie is currently plying his trade in the Championship, the fact that Lucas and Guthrie would be perceived to have similar attributes, I would have kept faith with the home grown talent rather than shelling out on an unproven import from Brazil like Rafa did for Lucas in 2007. With Guthrie 22 and Lucas 23, the coming years will show who develops into the better player http://www.footballfancast.com/football-blogs/lucas-guthrie-danny-time-rafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Not sure if this should of went in the Danny Guthrie thread There are certainly comparisons to be made with Gerrard as well though. Guthrie is an all-action, energetic, box to box midfielder and his strong running, competitive style has won him many admirers with the Toon Army. He is an excellent passer of the ball and can be superb when delivering free-kicks or corners. During his time at Newcastle he has established himself in the starting eleven, forming a good central midfield partnership with Nicky Butt in the 2008/09 season, while this campaign in the Championship he has been a key figure in Newcastle’s push for promotion. Even just last weekend at Barnsley he put in a man of the match performance, scoring two goals in a 6-1 victory. http://www.footballfancast.com/football-blogs/lucas-guthrie-danny-time-rafa I'm one of Guthrie's biggest fans on here, but that is just utter tosh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 It is written by someone who does not watch NUFC & who has went off bits & bobs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 He's kidding about the good partnership though, surely. I mean, we got relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 One thing i would like to see him develop is running into the box more. He's a good finisher and would score a lot more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 He's kidding about the good partnership though, surely. I mean, we got relegated. then again the author is working off lucas as a comparison, any former liverpool midfielder who occasionally gets into the opponents box is going to look good next to him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Liverpool's "engine room" of Lucas and Mascherano is surely tasty.... not. Why is he not playing Aquilani? Is he shit? (I admittedly know sod all about him, Roma not being a team I watch much). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Aquilani must surely rank close to being biggest Premiership flop when you consider the fee, the hype, who he replaced, his injury record, how bad his team have been since he joined, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Aquilani must surely rank close to being biggest Premiership flop when you consider the fee, the hype, who he replaced, his injury record, how bad his team have been since he joined, etc. Bit early to say that, surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Everybody knew what his injury record was like before he came here though. Don't think he's played more than 20 games a season for 5 years or something like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Everybody knew what his injury record was like before he came here though. Don't think he's played more than 20 games a season for 5 years or something like that. Ah, well fair enough, I didn't know that. Still think it's too early to say he's a flop, he's not even had a season here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Spanish press picking up the "Bénitez to Madrid" rumour today. No quotes to back it up though. I seem to recall that Benítez and Valdano aren't in the best terms though, that might block a potential move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Riera gave yesterday a pretty incendiary interview to Marca which pretty much will mean the end of his Liverpool career. He bashed Benítez pretty heavily. Dunno if it's been shown in your media, in any case, here's for your babelfish fun (i'm too tired right now) http://www.marca.com/2010/03/17/futbol/futbol_internacional/premier_league/1268845564.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Just been on SSN: With Riera win 69%, without Riera win 33% Always thought he was decent tbh, didn't do too much wrong last season when he played and offers a lot more than Aurelio/Insua being played wide left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 As much as I am enjoying Liverpool's so called troubles and hope that they continue their slide into mid table obscurity, I cant help wishing it was Man U instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 I totally agree with you Pedro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 For all of this thing about their great history, in the same period of time it's been since their last league title, the 20 years before that they won 11. So is it really a great history, or just a rich period like someone such as Chelsea could feasibly have in 15 years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 In 98 years either side of 1970-90, their honours. (still not bad like!) 7 league titles, 3 FA Cups, 1 League Cup, 1 UEFA Cup & 1 Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 riera suspended fined and transfer listed, me thinks hes off to russia http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Riera-suspended-fined-and-transfer-listed-after-Benitez-clash-article359635.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagerstedt Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 riera suspended fined and transfer listed, me thinks hes off to russia http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Riera-suspended-fined-and-transfer-listed-after-Benitez-clash-article359635.html The article hints he's on around £35k a week which is quite a bargain for someone his class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Is any of this Torres to Chelsea talk I've been reading about real? Or is it just the media smelling blood and wanting to make things more difficult for Benitez? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 riera suspended fined and transfer listed, me thinks hes off to russia http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Riera-suspended-fined-and-transfer-listed-after-Benitez-clash-article359635.html Not going to get anywhere near what they paid for him, more good business from Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Is any of this Torres to Chelsea talk I've been reading about real? Or is it just the media smelling blood and wanting to make things more difficult for Benitez? i have no doubt roman would love to have torres, doubt he'd actually get him though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 With no CL Footie Torres is going somewhere... the only questions are where and how much will they get for him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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