Elliottman Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 You didnt really hesiate when you said he was better than Owen at finishing? Did you see his goals for England the other week? canny against Wigan and Germany too he didnt score against Germany??/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 You didnt really hesiate when you said he was better than Owen at finishing? Did you see his goals for England the other week? canny against Wigan and Germany too he didnt score against Germany??/ That's the point. It's all pointless anyway, we know Owen is a very good finisher. But the point is that so is Huntelaar. He's also not a crock and has the potential to develop into a much better all-round player. Type of player who can play alongside anyone really, very well rounded. Would be a fabulous signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 You didnt really hesiate when you said he was better than Owen at finishing? Did you see his goals for England the other week? canny against Wigan and Germany too he didnt score against Germany??/ That's the point. It's all pointless anyway, we know Owen is a very good finisher. But the point is that so is Huntelaar. He's also not a crock and has the potential to develop into a much better all-round player. Type of player who can play alongside anyone really, very well rounded. Would be a fabulous signing. lol, but he did score against Wigan?? anyway, an argument as to who would you rather have is a different subject. But just straight up finishing, you simply cant dismiss Owen that quickly. That was all i was saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 You didnt really hesiate when you said he was better than Owen at finishing? Did you see his goals for England the other week? To be fair he did point to Kuyt who looked like a goal machine in Holland yet is hardly prolific over here. Kezman would be another example. But you only have to look as far as Van Nistelrooy to see that some players do carry on that scoring form at a higher level. From the times I've seen Huntelaar playing in the Champions League against sides like Inter Milan he just looks a class act and if he can perform at that level I reckon he'd be a good shout to carry it on in the Premier League. Kuyt on the other hand had not proven himself as a goalscorer at that sort of level when he came to the Premier League, so he represented a bigger gamble. I think we've waited so long for Owen to come back that we need to give him this season to assess his contribution to the cause. If he stays fit, we'll have our league rivals (teams like Spurs, Man City, Everton, Villa at the moment are probably our rivals) green with envy because he's a player none of those clubs could attract who will take us up a level. But having said all that, if the opportunity came to replace him in January I do think it would be wise to fork out the money to do so. He may well leave next summer anyway and Viduka's not getting any younger, so someone like Huntelaar might not be such an unrealistic shout if we were to try and steal a march on the big clubs and put the money up in January. Writing Owen off is a gamble which could come back to haunt us, but it wouldn't be wise to plan anything around his fitness or to take for granted that he will be willing to stay here beyond next summer (given the clause is still in his contract). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 From the times I've seen Huntelaar playing in the Champions League against sides like Inter Milan he just looks a class act and if he can perform at that level I reckon he'd be a good shout to carry it on in the Premier League. Kuyt on the other hand had not proven himself as a goalscorer at that sort of level when he came to the Premier League, so he represented a bigger gamble. Theres an elegance and class in his game that suggests hes going to be a good player at the higher levels. That never for once existed with Kuyt, or even Kezman. In any league in the world, there are always average strikers who score frequently in a team that they are well adjusted to - the Kevin Phillips, Doyles, and Bents are prime examples in the Premiership - but there are also ones who when you see them play, are clearly a class above your average solid goalscorer. Huntelaar is definately in the second category for me. Weve already had first hand experience of his talent. Even whilst playing for a two-bit pub side like Herenveen, he caused us, a somewhat decent Premiership side, severe problems, entirely on his own as well. Granted we had defenders who could create problems out of thin air at the time, but him causing us problems wasnt down to clown-like defending per se, but rather his own ability, strength and intelligence. This was a few years ago, and hes matured as a player since then - reckon hes a cracking prospect and could easily turn into one of the worlds most lethal forwards, another Van Nistelrooy so to speak, but obviously since hes not established himself at a higher level on a domestic basis, the fee he would command would no doubt represent a pretty big gamble. I think we've waited so long for Owen to come back that we need to give him this season to assess his contribution to the cause. If he stays fit, we'll have our league rivals (teams like Spurs, Man City, Everton, Villa at the moment are probably our rivals) green with envy because he's a player none of those clubs could attract who will take us up a level. But having said all that, if the opportunity came to replace him in January I do think it would be wise to fork out the money to do so. He may well leave next summer anyway and Viduka's not getting any younger, so someone like Huntelaar might not be such an unrealistic shout if we were to try and steal a march on the big clubs and put the money up in January. One thing about Huntelaar that im pretty certain off for no reason other than pure deduction - I think hes going to be targetted by Milan sooner rather than later, and it wouldnt suprise me if this time next year hes playing in the famous black and red stripes. Everything seems to be written like a script for this specific transfer - although hes nowhere near as good, and most likely wont ever be as good, hes quite similar to Van Basten. Tall, gangly, Dutch targetman playing for Ajax, lethal in the air and on the deck, good ability on the ball and a pretty intelligent player off it, and has the strength required to hold defenders off. Milan on the other hand will need to replace the aging Inzaghi, Ronaldo isnt getting any younger, Gilardino and Olivera are essentially flops, and as a club Milan need that big signing to stay up there with the cream of the crop and appease/compliment the likes of Kaka. Huntelaar is perfect for all this on paper - and to top it off, Milan's legendary Van Basten is currently Huntelaar's international coach. If he has a good Euro 2008, hes going to be untouchabble for a club like us. Which is why if we have big money in January, its got to be an agressive move for him, an offer that Ajax, who will be missing this seasons CL revenue, cant refuse. Writing Owen off is a gamble which could come back to haunt us, but it wouldn't be wise to plan anything around his fitness or to take for granted that he will be willing to stay here beyond next summer (given the clause is still in his contract). I think wed definately regret Owen's sale if it were to happen. But thats only because I also think whoever purchases Owen, will use him in the correct way - that is, use him the way Madrid did, wrapped up in wool on the bench and used sparingly. That will only ever happen however at a club significantly bigger than us, where Owen is just one small fish amongst many as opposed to being the biggest fish in the pond, and where he will complement an already completed team, a "bonus" to that team, as oposed to being the centre of the team, with it being built around him. Hes never going to get back to being a player who can start every game in consecutive fashion, but because of our current status, thats the only thing he can be with us - imagine the criticism Allardyce would get from both the fans and the player himself if we regularly rotate or bench a fully fit Owen and we were picking up poor results like the one at Derby - we would be screaming for him to be on the pitch because the rest of the team isnt up to his standard. It simply wouldnt be anything like as big an issue for other teams, and thats most likely the only kind of environment where Owen's fragile frame can flourish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonarmy1810 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 I heard from david edgar that micky failed a medical at manure during pre season but its scheduled again in january, am sure thats been posted somewhere before.,. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 I heard from david edgar that micky failed a medical at manure during pre season but its scheduled again in january, am sure thats been posted somewhere before.,. Few times I've heard that rumour, first from David Edgar though. Would make sense for all concerned that move, as Man U would be able to use him sparingly, as tmonkey outlined above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 I heard from david edgar that micky failed a medical at manure during pre season but its scheduled again in january, am sure thats been posted somewhere before.,. Few times I've heard that rumour, first from David Edgar though. Would make sense for all concerned that move, as Man U would be able to use him sparingly, as tmonkey outlined above. Why were ya taliking to Edgar?He can fuck off if it is true tbh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 man utd could do with a striker playing through the middle, to replace or rotate with saha. tevez, rooney and ronaldo are all players who drop deep or play wide. Ronaldo Owen Rooney Tevez would be a half decent attacking line up, i suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 man utd could do with a striker playing through the middle, to replace or rotate with saha. tevez, rooney and ronaldo are all players who drop deep or play wide. Ronaldo Owen Rooney Tevez would be a half decent attacking line up, i suppose. Doubt they'd ever start all 4, personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonarmy1810 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 aye my cousin craig baxter(ex toon now gateshead) still keeps in touch with him and thats the crack, reckons he failed a medical at manure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 man utd could do with a striker playing through the middle, to replace or rotate with saha. tevez, rooney and ronaldo are all players who drop deep or play wide. Ronaldo Owen Rooney Tevez would be a half decent attacking line up, i suppose. Doubt they'd ever start all 4, personally. it depends, i think long-term Tevez might be more of a Scholes replacement than a centre-forward, someone who plays deeper than the front line. ronaldo and rooney tend to occupy the wide forward roles, though one of them will get moved inside if Nani plays, so that leaves man utd looking for a striker or to just stickwith Saha. personally i thought they shouldve gone for Torres ahead of Tevez, fits into their team more easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 man utd could do with a striker playing through the middle, to replace or rotate with saha. tevez, rooney and ronaldo are all players who drop deep or play wide. Ronaldo Owen Rooney Tevez would be a half decent attacking line up, i suppose. Doubt they'd ever start all 4, personally. it depends, i think long-term Tevez might be more of a Scholes replacement than a centre-forward, someone who plays deeper than the front line. ronaldo and rooney tend to occupy the wide forward roles, though one of them will get moved inside if Nani plays, so that leaves man utd looking for a striker or to just stickwith Saha. personally i thought they shouldve gone for Torres ahead of Tevez, fits into their team more easily. Agree with that. However, when a player of the calibre of Tevez is made available, Man U will ALWAYS move heaven and earth to sign him. Just an exceptional talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Groin tear to go with the D. hernia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Do you reckon Manure would still want him? I'd take their hands off for £10m. Just don't get the games (and therefore goals) from him, to justify £120k/wk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jamesmartinsmith Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 3 weeks out, time to cut him loose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Groin tear to go with the D. hernia. Clearly time for a more humane solution. http://www.warrenncgop.com/Shoot_the_dog.jpg Same goes for the dog too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest microbar Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 A groin specialist in the uk said sam was wrong to play him in the west ham game, He was obviously suffering from groin problems pre match and this has lead to him needing an op again, The specialist also was questioning why he would have to travel to germany, When he could have a top surgeon in the uk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 A groin specialist in the uk said sam was wrong to play him in the west ham game, He was obviously suffering from groin problems pre match and this has lead to him needing an op again, The specialist also was questioning why he would have to travel to germany, When he could have a top surgeon in the uk. Jealous he isnt getting the money tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JohnnySpot Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Can you have any worse luck than this guy. I feel that he works hard and trains hard so the injuries aren't due to laziness or anything. Just shit luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 yes, it's all luck, nothing to do with him being more injury prone than someone who is very injury prone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Anyone got a full list of Owens injuries? When was the last time he put say 15 games together on the trot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Anyone got a full list of Owens injuries? When was the last time he put say 15 games together on the trot? http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/players/1500/michael_owen_injury.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Too much football too young? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Too much football too young? that has always come to mind when we keep seeing own get injured now I always think back to the "good old days" germany result, goal against the argies owen putting 3-4 past us every time we faced pool. He does seem a shodow now of what I remember like most expect a prime to be maybe 24-28 or 26-30 owen's was 18-22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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