Cronky Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 ashley cole Good shout. Since his move to Chelsea, he's looked very ordinary, particularly going forward. Rooney is getting a lot of mentions, but I don't agree. He's not being played in his ideal position by Man U, but he's still very effective. He'll get goals that are beyond the abilities of virtually any other player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Agreed He was #38 in FourFourTwo's 100 best players in the world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 ashley cole Good shout. Since his move to Chelsea, he's looked very ordinary, particularly going forward. Rooney is getting a lot of mentions, but I don't agree. He's not being played in his ideal position by Man U, but he's still very effective. He'll get goals that are beyond the abilities of virtually any other player. But not enough goals for the position he's played in for either club or country. He's fallen a long way behind Ronaldo in the last 18 months in terms of developing as a footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 agree about rooney. definitley hasn't lived up to the hype of few years ago. Might still do though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Thought I was gonna get a grilling for saying Ashley Cole. How about Joe Cole? When he's good he's very good. Apart from that he's a bit...meh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Berbatov looks like he's pissed off with Spurs and isn't really trying. He'll come good again once he gets his move to Man U. As for Rooney..... Well, he may have dipped a little over the last couple of seasons, but I wouldn't call him over-rated. The fact that many were seriously considering keeping Heskey and Owen and not playing Rooney for this weekend shows that. Since the World Cup, he's curbed his aggression a bit (which he needed to do), he's been played wider by Man U instead of being given a licence to roam, and probably defenders have learned to deal with him a bit better. But I regard him as a unique player, and he's the last player I'd consider leaving out. He can turn round a team's performance single handed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Petr Cech? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Petr Cech? Good keeper? blueyes.gif Best in the world? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Petr Cech? Good keeper? blueyes.gif Best in the world? Exactly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Scy man I'm trying to eat my dinner and that fat cunt is making it impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Berbatov looks like he's pissed off with Spurs and isn't really trying. He'll come good again once he gets his move to Man U. As for Rooney..... Well, he may have dipped a little over the last couple of seasons, but I wouldn't call him over-rated. The fact that many were seriously considering keeping Heskey and Owen and not playing Rooney for this weekend shows that. Since the World Cup, he's curbed his aggression a bit (which he needed to do), he's been played wider by Man U instead of being given a licence to roam, and probably defenders have learned to deal with him a bit better. But I regard him as a unique player, and he's the last player I'd consider leaving out. He can turn round a team's performance single handed. I've always felt and still do he's been constrained by the role he's had to play at Man Utd, and the poor tactics England have employed with regards to the long ball football over these past few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Defo Rooney. How anyone can have the audasity to call him world class is beyond me, the real world class players are 5 times the player he is. People need to realise Euro 2004 was over 3 years ago and he hasn't looked anything close to the player he was since then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Defo Rooney. How anyone can have the audasity to call him world class is beyond me How people can claim he isnt already world class is beyond me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Cause having 1 great game every 20 or so matches doesn't make you world class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Defo Rooney. How anyone can have the audasity to call him world class is beyond me How people can claim he isnt already world class is beyond me. Zidane was world class, Maldini is world class. Would you put Rooney in the same bracket as them? Yeah he's fucking good, but no, just no... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Defo Rooney. How anyone can have the audasity to call him world class is beyond me, the real world class players are 5 times the player he is. People need to realise Euro 2004 was over 3 years ago and he hasn't looked anything close to the player he was since then. Alex Ferguson has ruined him tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Defo Rooney. How anyone can have the audasity to call him world class is beyond me, the real world class players are 5 times the player he is. People need to realise Euro 2004 was over 3 years ago and he hasn't looked anything close to the player he was since then. Alex Ferguson has ruined him tbh I wondered if Tevez might be a replacement. Actually he could be added to the list while we are on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I agree with the comments about Aaron Lennon. Half an hour at the world cup, coming onto a field of tired players and using his pace to good effect, and suddenly he is the saviour of England. I'd also argue that Gareth Barry, at the moment, is overrated. He is another one who has become the 'saviour of English football' because of a few ordinary performances against ordinary or poor opposition. Always been a decent player, never been anything special. I'd argue that Lampard has become underrated in recent times. People talk about him like he's an average player, it's amazing the power that a few tabloid journalists can have over many people's perceptions. Here's a player who scores for fun in midfield, one of the best teams in Europe struggle without him, yet I'm sure you could find people who will tell you that Gareth Barry is better. The English media love a hero and they love a villain, and right now Barry and Lampard fill those roles. I haven't heard many people say Barry is a better player than Lampard, but I have heard plenty say England look better with Barry alongside Gerrard than Lampard. Those are two different things. Lampard and Gerrard have been tried together for England so many times, and it just does not work. That's been England's problem as long as I can remember (and I'm nudging 40) - always picking the bigger names rather than the ones who perform best. That's why Clemence hung on ahead of Shilton for so long, why John Barnes got 90 odd caps and put in 3 or 4 decent performances at most, and why Lampard and Gerrard were persisted with for so long. Barry has been ignored by the last three England managers, and now he's had his chance, he's taken it. Good luck to the bloke. To suggest that he's somehow gone from being criminally underrated to hugely overrated in the space of a few weeks seems a bit, well, unlikely I haven't suggested he is "hugely overrated", nor was he ever "criminally underrated". But the reaction has not fit the performances. A decent performance for England from a relative newcomer to the side always results in exaggeration and hyperbole, Barry wasn't 'great' and nor were the opposition. I agree with regards to finding the players and a system that works, but it's a bit premature to say Barry is the answer on the back of a few performances, as many in the media have already done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Another one, Steven 'Stevie G' Gerrard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSG Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 By the southern media: Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 This will sound stupid to us Toon fans. But Peter Ramage seems to be held in much higher esteem by the media (particularly 5 Live) than his talent warrants Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Mag Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Defo Rooney. How anyone can have the audasity to call him world class is beyond me, the real world class players are 5 times the player he is. People need to realise Euro 2004 was over 3 years ago and he hasn't looked anything close to the player he was since then. Alex Ferguson has ruined him tbh Aye because making him a key player in a championship winning side is shocking... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Well, sometimes Ferguson's selections are baffling and definitely not an advantage for Rooney. There was 1 game this season, think it was away to Sporting, where he played Giggs through the middle and Rooney on the left. Think he would definitely be a better player if he was playing up front with the likes of a van Nistelrooy every week, still wouldn't be world class, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eyeball_tickler Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 scholes. hasnt really done anything of note for years, yet he's "world class" in many peoples eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 scholes. hasnt really done anything of note for years, yet he's "world class" in many peoples eyes. Oh bloody hell, no. He was magnificent last season, and should have been player of the year. He's never played better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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