buzza Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I've never seen ANita make us tick with the ball. It looks like SMC wants he and Colback in there to fulfil similar functions. Mostly around ball retention and defensive solidarity. With Colback more licence and ability to get forward... but only marginally so. Would like one of them benched. Pref Colback. Prefer colback to be benched or to play? my own preference is colback plays, Anita flatters to decieve for me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Wijnaldum is the only player in the squad who could potentially play the role that Colback currently plays, but even that is a total unknown. Anita has looked a great deal more comfortable this season playing in a passing team and being allowed to drop deep and start play from between the centre backs. They are the preferred CM's and be it 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 (I hope for the latter), those are the 3 that will play the majority of the games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Don't think he's physically capable. He's fairly quick but it takes a lot for him to cover ground, if only lateral. The only way he could be successful is if he has 2 other central midfielders near him. And it looks like McClaren likes his 4-4-1-1 with two water carriers. "Controlling the play" I think is the aim with those lads and protecting the defence. Not sure what the statement 'He's fairly quick but it takes a lot for him to cover ground' means tbh. He's quick enough to do it and he's not blowing out of his arse after 30 minutes so i don't really get what you said there. A fast runner can cover ground well up and down. Straight sprints to be precise. Anita is good at that. However, footballers often move laterally. Or just plain jog. For whatever reason, Anita isn't very good at this. You rarely feel like Anita is dominating an area of the pitch. So when a team is passing the ball around midfield, it takes a lot for him to keep up with play. He's fine when he's sprinting. But just moving around, he doesn't cover the ground well. I think Wilshere suffers from a similar thing. He's no slouch but it takes a fair bit for him to get around a pitch. Someone like Ramsey is no quicker but is able to cover ground easier. Apparently, I sound pretentious. But i'm talking about a technicality here. Just because you can run fast, doesn't mean you get around the pitch well to force your presence. Makelele was short, not lightening but somehow managed to fulfill the action. What exactly does "make us tick" mean? I would love to know this. I would also like 1 example of when Anita's passing has "made us tick". I get s*** for saying "gegenpress" which has explicit actions. "Make us tick" is a lazy cliche that doesn't mean anything. Especially when used for Anita. I think i understand your point. I do think he did as you described at Man U actually. I think his positioning made them choose passes to areas he wasn't in at times. They hardly moved the ball quickly though so i'd say it wasn't typical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I agree he did it well at Man Utd (covering the ground/space that is, not making us tick) but they played a very Dutch style which he is used too. Slow build-up he can see where the space is developing and nip it in the bud. But generally, I don't think he's done it well with us. Simple runs from midfield he'll not pick it up. I've never seen ANita make us tick with the ball. It looks like SMC wants he and Colback in there to fulfil similar functions. Mostly around ball retention and defensive solidarity. With Colback more licence and ability to get forward... but only marginally so. Would like one of them benched. Pref Colback. Prefer colback to be benched or to play? my own preference is colback plays, Anita flatters to decieve for me... Not sure. Wish we experimented in pre-season more with different systems. Think I slightly lean towards Anita if we bring Wijnaldum deeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I've never seen ANita make us tick with the ball. then you are fucking blind, or have some ludicrously narrow definition of "makes us tick" that you've got from your Football Hipster Tactics 101 course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I haven't seen us as a team "tick" in yonks. Let alone Anita making us tick. When I think of making play tick from deep, I think forward passing or spreading play to initiate attacks and move the other team around. Not passing to the closest player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I haven't seen us as a team "tick" in yonks. Let alone Anita making us tick. When I think of making play tick from deep, I think forward passing or spreading play to initiate attacks and move the other team around. Not passing to the closest player. Again, you've either not watched what he's doing enough or you don't understand it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Still waiting on these examples of making us tick. Anita's not doing a whole lot man. It's a lot of short side ways passing. In fact, it's not even a lot. He's not even on the ball a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Still waiting on these examples of making us tick. Anita's not doing a whole lot man. It's a lot of short side ways passing. In fact, it's not even a lot. He's not even on the ball a lot. That could be said for the entire team. Therefore using that as a stick to bash him with is pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Still waiting on these examples of making us tick. Anita's not doing a whole lot man. It's a lot of short side ways passing. In fact, it's not even a lot. He's not even on the ball a lot. What fucking examples? Watch the games. When we have the ball and are moving it around he's at the centre of it all, that's all there is to it man. The fact that of the games we've played in 3 of them we've been totally on the back foot has not helped him or us develop our style but it is there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 So fucking tedious this, now. Every thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 So fucking tedious this, now. Every thread. Fucking forum wide virus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 So fucking tedious this, now. Every thread. Was just thinking that myself. Every thread in this section is getting polluted with his bullshit. Doesn't even matter if he's got a point or not any more, it's just so tedious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 So fucking tedious this, now. Every thread. It does actually seem like every thread just descends into this these days I do actually agree with him here and on some other stuff but I don't understand why he has to respond to every single post he disagrees with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 So fucking tedious this, now. Every thread. It does actually seem like every thread just descends into this these days I do actually agree with him here and on some other stuff but I don't understand why he has to respond to every single post he disagrees with Pretty impressive to have nearly worn the entire forum down to a state of total despair while he ploughs on like it's nothing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I honestly can't be arsed to do anything but take the piss now. It's like talking to each other in different languages - the persistent "No actually you're incorrect, he's more of an orthodox semi shuttler than a deep lying firework manufacturer, due mainly to his disciplined gegenpressing" stuff has made this part of the forum barely worth bothering with now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 So.... no examples of games then? Just all of them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 So.... no examples of games then? Just all of them? yes all of them, all 4 of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I enjoyed learning about gegenpressing.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I honestly can't be arsed to do anything but take the p*ss now. It's like talking to each other in different languages - the persistent "No actually you're incorrect, he's more of an orthodox semi shuttler than a deep lying firework manufacturer, due mainly to his disciplined gegenpressing" stuff has made this part of the forum barely worth bothering with now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I enjoyed learning about gegenpressing.... I always go for the firstpressing, I mean why wait til everyone else has had their fun with the olives? Fourthpressing. Like that's gonna be a party in your mouth... I don't think! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 So.... no examples of games then? Just all of them? Tbf i gave you examples of games which you managed to ignore only to spout the same nonsense for the following two pages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Still waiting on these examples of making us tick. Anita's not doing a whole lot man. It's a lot of short side ways passing. In fact, it's not even a lot. He's not even on the ball a lot. Still waiting on you to shut the fuck up tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I honestly can't be arsed to do anything but take the p*ss now. It's like talking to each other in different languages - the persistent "No actually you're incorrect, he's more of an orthodox semi shuttler than a deep lying firework manufacturer, due mainly to his disciplined gegenpressing" stuff has made this part of the forum barely worth bothering with now. What's funnier is that despite all these fancy terms a lot of it still doesn't make any sense. This must have been what it was like when Charles Hughes first devised the concept of the long ball game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/11856973/Steve-McClaren-faces-challenge-of-reintegrating-discruntled-Papiss-Cisse-back-into-Newcastle-United-side.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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