NSG Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I agree with Sam like, Milner is far more effective on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Is Milner a better LW/LWF than Duff or CNZ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Is Milner a better LW/LWF than Duff or CNZ of course he isn't, sad but true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Is Milner a better LW/LWF than Duff or CNZ As a traditional left winger, in a 4-4-2, yes. Based on what we've seen of them both in that position. As a left winger/forward in a 4-3-3, who knows? We haven't seen N'Zogbia a whole lot in that position now, have we? Milner's doing fine as it is, if we change it they'll have to adapt to a whole new thing again == more shit performances for the following period of adjustment. I reckon there's a good possibility N'Zogbia will be used in the middle rather than the left, eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicsfingeredmong Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 With regards to NE5's earlier point, concerning widemen cutting in - on their un-natural side - to shoot and the fact they need pace. When somebody like Duff comes out of a cut - after using the outside of his right foot to knock it inside, before pivoting with their left creating the explosion off the mark, over the intial 5-10 yard that is - they create a separation cushion themselves and their defending marker. Combine this 'separation cushion from the marker' with the ground covered at rapid pace when taking into the central corridor and this is what creates the shooting angles on either side of the keeper, and this especially important for a right or left footed winger who is more likely shoot with the inside of their stronger foot when playing on their non-preferred flank. Milner doesn't create the above mentioned shooting angles on the back of his ball dribbling and the inside-cutting', and as a result there isn't much in the way of shots on target on a regular basis which is of course needed when reading Allardyce's job description for what he wants on the left flank/Milner. When Milner cuts inside his shooting appears rushed & his efforts on goal are generally more speculative as opposed to somebody who can attack the central corridor - ie. just outside the box - with pace, and this is because he doesn't create the separation cushion & the shooting angles and that extra split second of time if he frequently had a defender left in his wake. Getting back to HTT's point with regards to Milner 'excelling on the left at Leeds'. Milner was always more dangerous when he drifted inside slightly - off the ball that is - and turned his man with his 1st touch, off his marker's inside shoulder. His first career goal was a classic example. He turns his man with his 1st touch, and he's already on the outside edge of the central corridor within his long distance shooting zone. Along with the delivery to feet but also the first touch has to be spot on, and the defending marker has to overcommit. Too many variables have to go in the team's way in order to have goal production out on the left, courtesy of a Milner orientated left flank. Although it's the right-sided version i've always maintained that 'Duff on the right' is the better option, the better 'cut-in & shoot' option. Duff has the attributes - ie. he cut-ins on a dime, and he creates the above mentioned 'separation cushion' with his pace off the mark - hence hec hold down the fort on the right, and with it provide the sort of option Allardyce wants on one flank. With this Zoggy should be restored to the left. It's a bloody shame to see his invaluable attribute of being able to ghost his way into the box off-the-ball, and he knows how to find the ball in scoring positions in & around the box as well, because he's postioned too deep when playing at LB. 5-10 goals a season from a natural left-sided winger, who provides a dual threat on & off the ball when compared with somebody who doesn't deliver an awful lot as per Big Sam's job description in relation to Milner. It'a a non-argument, and as Wullie says it's becoming hair pulling stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Being 2-1 down to a pile of shit with 20 minutes to go was enough for Sam the Bullshitter to alter Milners left wing role to right wing - obviously to accomodate Duff on his return. Which would now suggest that yesterday barring injury to Duff is the last we'll see of Milner this season - especially as Martins excelled beyond expectation in his right wing role yesterday. Sam really IS as pathetic a cunt as I've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 It should be Martins losing his place to Enrique if we continue to persist with 433. yes i can't wait to see N'Zogbia, Smith and Milner up front together. i wonder if the three of them would even reach a dozen goals combined in a season. 12 is a bit much but I reckon they could get at least 8 between them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 I agree with Sam like, Milner is far more effective on the left. He's only provided one assist all season...on the first day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 especially as Martins excelled beyond expectation in his right wing role yesterday. What? Are you ok? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 I still don't get how a right footed player is supposed to be better on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 I still don't get how a right footed player is supposed to be better on the left. How about Messi, a left footed player who is supposed to be better on the right? Another example, Pires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 I still don't get how a right footed player is supposed to be better on the left. Paolo Maldini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 A question - Can those anti Sammers who describe him as pathetic, a c***, clueless, a bulsh1tter etc provide a realistic list of replacements who would be guaranteed to do a better job? I'm not trying to be too confrontational here I am genuinely interested in who people think 1) would accept the job if offered it and 2) would definitely do a better job and 3) why you are sure they would do better. If you want to turn the clock back a few months to the time he was appointed and look at the same questions thats fine as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 I still don't get how a right footed player is supposed to be better on the left. How about Messi, a left footed player who is supposed to be better on the right? Another example, Pires. Exceptions to the rule, otherwise every player would play on the 'wrong' side of the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Lets Face it, James Milner IS the best right winger we have at the moment, can't understand what Allardyce is trying to do by using him on the Left even with Duff back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObaStar Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 philip lahm is a right footed player who plays extremely successfully at left back. It makes him a more offensive player. With Milner on the left it gives us another option to crossing and makes defenders stay on their toes as he can still put in a decent cross with the left foot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Lets Face it, James Milner IS the best right winger we have at the moment, can't understand what Allardyce is trying to do by using him on the Left even with Duff back. The strangest thing is that I'm sure he says Milner prefers the left side of midfield to the right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 philip lahm is a right footed player who plays extremely successfully at left back. It makes him a more offensive player. With Milner on the left it gives us another option to crossing and makes defenders stay on their toes as he can still put in a decent cross with the left foot. Fair point, but as he's 99/100 prone to check back on himself to get the ball on his right side to cross he's lost any space that he had as by then he's been closed down, he then tries to check left, then right etc to shake hime off but by this time the plays all slowed down and we've lost most of the advantage we might have had in the first place. If he was on the right to start with he wouldn't have to check back as he should be able to cross the ball 1st time before he's allowed the defender to get tight on him. Someone, I think, said that as he's got no real pace he's better off on the left, I'd say this lack of genuine pace makes it even more essential that he's able to have the opportunity to cross 1st time by coming onto the ball using his right peg. Also, as he can occasionally cross with his left, then that could be as equal an option on the right as on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Surely the issue is not whether Milner can play left wing but why he isn't playing right wing when we have no right wingers and have a superb talent in N'Zogbia for the left? Can anyone honestly say they believe we are playing our best and most potent formation with Zog at left back, Milner at left wing and either Smith or Martins on the right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Surely the issue is not whether Milner can play left wing but why he isn't playing right wing when we have no right wingers and have a superb talent in N'Zogbia for the left? Can anyone honestly say they believe we are playing our best and most potent formation with Zog at left back, Milner at left wing and either Smith or Martins on the right? Exactly, we're not making the best use of our players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Surely the issue is not whether Milner can play left wing but why he isn't playing right wing when we have no right wingers and have a superb talent in N'Zogbia for the left? Can anyone honestly say they believe we are playing our best and most potent formation with Zog at left back, Milner at left wing and either Smith or Martins on the right? The best formation is Charles at left back, Duff at left wing and Milner at right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pie Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 I still don't get how a right footed player is supposed to be better on the left. How about Messi, a left footed player who is supposed to be better on the right? Another example, Pires. Exceptions to the rule, otherwise every player would play on the 'wrong' side of the pitch. Ronaldihno manages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 I still don't get how a right footed player is supposed to be better on the left. How about Messi, a left footed player who is supposed to be better on the right? Another example, Pires. Exceptions to the rule, otherwise every player would play on the 'wrong' side of the pitch. Ronaldihno manages Ronaldihno, Lahm, Messi, Maldini and Milner...................anyone care to spot the odd one out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brewcastle Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 I still don't get how a right footed player is supposed to be better on the left. How about Messi, a left footed player who is supposed to be better on the right? Another example, Pires. Exceptions to the rule, otherwise every player would play on the 'wrong' side of the pitch. Ronaldihno manages Ronaldihno, Lahm, Messi, Maldini and Milner...................anyone care to spot the odd one out? -Ask Sam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 A question - Can those anti Sammers who describe him as pathetic, a c***, clueless, a bulsh1tter etc provide a realistic list of replacements who would be guaranteed to do a better job? I'm not trying to be too confrontational here I am genuinely interested in who people think 1) would accept the job if offered it and 2) would definitely do a better job and 3) why you are sure they would do better. If you want to turn the clock back a few months to the time he was appointed and look at the same questions thats fine as well. I see this question has a thread of its own now - so er yeehaw like... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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