JH Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Sorry, I assumed that you putting my figures in bold coupled with the word 'fact' implied that you were disagreeing with the figures I'd quoted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Sorry, I assumed that you putting my figures in bold coupled with the word 'fact' implied that you were disagreeing with the figures I'd quoted? I was. I'm perplexed but the last sentence. I wasn't commenting on 'doom mongering' at all, I was simply pointing out yet again someone on this forum plucking a random figure out of the air and pretending they know the ins and outs of our wage structure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Sorry, I assumed that you putting my figures in bold coupled with the word 'fact' implied that you were disagreeing with the figures I'd quoted? I was. I'm perplexed but the last sentence. I wasn't commenting on 'doom mongering' at all, I was simply pointing out yet again someone on this forum plucking a random figure out of the air and pretending they know the ins and outs of our wage structure. The wage for Smith for the past four years has been constantly quoted at around £60k. The club have never refuted that at any point, as far as I am aware. It was been alluded to by other players that in the era Smith was signed, people were signed on extremely high wages. Smith, a former Manchester United and England player, was likely to have been signed on something around that figure. To be fair, and to make my estimate more conservative, I cut his wages by £10k a week. I don't think he's likely to be on £40k or less, because it wouldn't fit with we do know from player interviews and manager interviews about the previous wage structure of the club. I don't know how I can be fairer than that other than simply ignoring his wages as being ill-evidenced. Which I personally don't believe they are. But feel free to disagree entirely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Sorry, I assumed that you putting my figures in bold coupled with the word 'fact' implied that you were disagreeing with the figures I'd quoted? I was. I'm perplexed but the last sentence. I wasn't commenting on 'doom mongering' at all, I was simply pointing out yet again someone on this forum plucking a random figure out of the air and pretending they know the ins and outs of our wage structure. The wage for Smith for the past four years has been constantly quoted at around £60k. The club have never refuted that at any point, as far as I am aware. It was been alluded to by other players that in the era Smith was signed, people were signed on extremely high wages. Smith, a former Manchester United and England player, was likely to have been signed on something around that figure. To be fair, and to make my estimate more conservative, I cut his wages by £10k a week. I don't think he's likely to be on £40k or less, because it wouldn't fit with we do know from player interviews and manager interviews about the previous wage structure of the club. I don't know how I can be fairer than that other than simply ignoring his wages as being ill-evidenced. Which I personally don't believe they are. But feel free to disagree entirely. It's a statement of fact. Thanks for proving my point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Apparently McCoist is interested in him. He can be as interested as he wants. Fact remains that Rangers can't afford him - not even if he went on a free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Curls Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Apparently McCoist is interested in him. He can be as interested as he wants. Fact remains that Rangers can't afford him - not even if he went on a free. Afford him? Surely it's a case of how much we can offer them to take him!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Holy shit, Smith is still here?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkzter Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 If he ends up at Rangers it will be because we are paying a load of his wages!! They are skint, would be amazed if they even contributed 20,000 a week towards his wages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Crapped myself thinking he had signed a new deal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 If he was fit,I'd be selecting him up front ahead of Lovenkrands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Crapped myself thinking he had signed a new deal This, but I AM NOT AMUUUUUUSED Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 It clearly isn't know as fact by us what his wages and transfer fee were, although I've always thought he cost £6m-£7m, but surely it makes sense that he most likely has cost us the better part of £15m for his services. He was signed from a top club at a time when the club made mistakes with transfers and paid over the odds. Even if he was on £30k, and cost just under £4m, he's still cost £10m in total, which for what we've got out of him, is insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Sorry, I assumed that you putting my figures in bold coupled with the word 'fact' implied that you were disagreeing with the figures I'd quoted? I was. I'm perplexed but the last sentence. I wasn't commenting on 'doom mongering' at all, I was simply pointing out yet again someone on this forum plucking a random figure out of the air and pretending they know the ins and outs of our wage structure. The wage for Smith for the past four years has been constantly quoted at around £60k. The club have never refuted that at any point, as far as I am aware. It was been alluded to by other players that in the era Smith was signed, people were signed on extremely high wages. Smith, a former Manchester United and England player, was likely to have been signed on something around that figure. To be fair, and to make my estimate more conservative, I cut his wages by £10k a week. I don't think he's likely to be on £40k or less, because it wouldn't fit with we do know from player interviews and manager interviews about the previous wage structure of the club. I don't know how I can be fairer than that other than simply ignoring his wages as being ill-evidenced. Which I personally don't believe they are. But feel free to disagree entirely. It's a statement of fact. Thanks for proving my point It remains a fact he's cost us around £15m, whether or not the figures were to the penny accurate. If you can find evidence to the contrary, which suggests my figures are incorrect, then please do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Get him back up front, now AC has gone he's the ideal replacement imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 If he was fit,I'd be selecting him up front ahead of Lovenkrands. Yup, quality always conquers and given a run of games like Besty, he'll be banging them in like nobody's business. Delighted he's signed a new contract. Check my Avatar to grasp how his appetite for a bulging onion net is, quite simply, insatiable! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 If he was fit,I'd be selecting him up front ahead of Lovenkrands. Yup, quality always conquers and given a run of games like Besty, he'll be banging them in like nobody's business. Delighted he's signed a new contract. Check my Avatar to grasp how his appetite for a bulging onion net is, quite simply, insatiable! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 If you can find evidence to the contrary, which suggests my figures are incorrect, then please do so. The club have never refuted that at any point, as far as I am aware. Chris, I really like you dude, but these kinds of statements to back up your facts are very far off-base. You can't claim something and then say "well if you can't prove otherwise then it's fact" - that's not how the world works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Now you're just having a debate around the difference between fact and opinion, What Chris and I have said is being argued for arguments sake. We signed Alan Smith for £6m, on a five-year deal. His wages are reportedly between £50-60k a week. Don't you work for Football Manager, ObiChrisKenobi? What are they on there for example? Let's say we paid Man Utd in installments of £1 million a season, which would mean we've paid £4 million of his £6 million transfer fee. This coupled with wages of £60k a week, or £3.12 million a year, for 3 and a half years equates to just under £11 million. Which gives us a grand total of around £15 million, before bonuses and appearance fees etc. Correct? Johnny Hall and ObiChrisKenobi in pedantic, tedious argument shocker ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 If you can find evidence to the contrary, which suggests my figures are incorrect, then please do so. The club have never refuted that at any point, as far as I am aware. Chris, I really like you dude, but these kinds of statements to back up your facts are very far off-base. You can't claim something and then say "well if you can't prove otherwise then it's fact" - that's not how the world works. We're working with these figures because they've been suggested in a wide array of newspapers for years. As much as we hate the press they do have sources. If they really were that wrong, surely the club would dispute them. If someone murders someone in the street, and the jury finds him guilty, they do so because there's evidence. There's never proof unless a member of the jury saw the incident themselves. But if twelve people give evidence saying they saw it, the jury weighs that it is beyond reasonable doubt that the person committed murder. So, if we're being pedantic, it may not be proof that Smith is on high wages, but everything we have suggests that it is beyond reasonable doubt that he is on high wages. Therefore I don't really see anything wrong with the calculations. I'll take the point that I threw the word 'fact' around a little too loosely, but it's pretty damned close, I'd argue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Just watched a clip of him scoring for us in the friendly against Sampdoria (2007) on youtube. Cracking header.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Just watched a clip of him scoring for us in the friendly against Sampdoria (2007) on youtube. Cracking header.......... I was there, thought he was gonna be a good signing after he played that game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 "What a waste of money, what a waste of money ... " Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I think he is the one which caused such a rethink in ashleys transfer policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 He will replace Carroll, you wait and see, he'll be off to Spurs next summer for £22 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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