thomas Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Of course, James is only advocating due diligence and balanced consideration in view of using such technologies, not condemning them. His point about the Dane is true of any system that rewards metrics without 100% observation -- someone can always game it to their benefit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 The Mole strikes again... "I know Sol (Campbell) from England and David (James) from my time at Liverpool and they're both good friends of mine," added Michael. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 I've heard that one top club pick their players on the basis of fitness data taken in training. They've spent millions in the transfer market, yet a heart monitor is going to tell them who makes the team sheet? Funnily enough, their league position isn't exactly stunning How is everyone reacting so much to this? Because it fits in with peoples' agendas or lack of understanding about these things. shhhhhh, dont say THAT word, the nasty old men can hear it at a thousand yards, their ears will prick up and they'll be in here like a shot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJbarnes Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Robbo and Huddlestone are certainly looking more 'streamlined' these days.... is that just since Ramos came in? Plain and simply YES. Both were fat porkers before which was tolerated by the old regime even though there performances were also s**** but the new fitness coach Ramos brought in is doing wonders. James is clearly directing that comment at us which dosnt really make much sense as theres definatly been an improvement since Ramos took over. I think that's why people are guessing it's directed at us; Sam is very high profile in his use of ProZone/Heart monitors etc., and there hasn't been a noticable improvement yet. Can't believe anyone would get particularly wound up over what he's 'heard' though ah but there is an improvement. lets see- who do we have injured at the moment? ramage and carr iirc? comparing that to 13 at one point last season. also, we are getting late goals and looking more likely to score than concede in the last minute, with the exception of offside bastards at stamford bridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 we are getting late goals and looking more likely to score than concede in the last minute, with the exception of offside bastards at stamford bridge. One late goal was a pen, the other a corner & Vidukas was off a long punt from the goalie. They are hardly goals scored because we are fitter. Yeah your right we do not concede in the last minute we just need to work on the other 89 minutes now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Not really, I hate it when people assume the worst in NUFC and look to pin any blame or fault on the club from such trivial things. Bit like me and a few other posters i wont mention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Heart rate monitor readings are standard equipment for athletes. If your resting pulse when you wake up is a few beats off normal, it's a good indicator that something's up (onset of illness, overtraining), so there's definitely an argument for resting a player to prevent illness or injury. It's dumb if his replacement is proper gash, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 we are getting late goals and looking more likely to score than concede in the last minute, with the exception of offside bastards at stamford bridge. One late goal was a pen, the other a corner & Vidukas was off a long punt from the goalie. They are hardly goals scored because we are fitter. Yeah your right we do not concede in the last minute we just need to work on the other 89 minutes now. credit where credit's due mate, if your teams fitter you get late goals, its not just the 2 seconds where you score that matters, we have to force the other team into mistakes/win the ball first, we might not have won the pen at fulham if the lads were more tired, also there's owens late winner at home to add to the list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 You can't put in what god has left out. Thread closed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Oh dear me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Oh dear me. Shit yourself again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Oh dear me. Shit yourself again? At the prospect of reading your wisdom again mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 we are getting late goals and looking more likely to score than concede in the last minute, with the exception of offside bastards at stamford bridge. One late goal was a pen, the other a corner & Vidukas was off a long punt from the goalie. They are hardly goals scored because we are fitter. Yeah your right we do not concede in the last minute we just need to work on the other 89 minutes now. credit where credit's due mate, if your teams fitter you get late goals, its not just the 2 seconds where you score that matters, we have to force the other team into mistakes/win the ball first, we might not have won the pen at fulham if the lads were more tired, also there's owens late winner at home to add to the list If I could be arsed I am sure I can find times pre-sam that we have won pens or scored goals late on. The fitness that Sam is improving means our boys are still going flat out in April & May, not doing well late on in game in December. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Oh dear me. Shit yourself again? At the prospect of reading your wisdom again mate. When did you learn to read? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 we are getting late goals and looking more likely to score than concede in the last minute, with the exception of offside bastards at stamford bridge. One late goal was a pen, the other a corner & Vidukas was off a long punt from the goalie. They are hardly goals scored because we are fitter. Yeah your right we do not concede in the last minute we just need to work on the other 89 minutes now. credit where credit's due mate, if your teams fitter you get late goals, its not just the 2 seconds where you score that matters, we have to force the other team into mistakes/win the ball first, we might not have won the pen at fulham if the lads were more tired, also there's owens late winner at home to add to the list If I could be arsed I am sure I can find times pre-sam that we have won pens or scored goals late on. The fitness that Sam is improving means our boys are still going flat out in April & May, not doing well late on in game in December. so could i, tottenham away for example, i just think we look stronger later in games than we used to, in general Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 David James also began a good article on the importance of mental fitness, being able to concentrate and maintain focus on the job at hand. Unfortunately, he spotted something out the corner of his eye, got distracted and forgot to finish writing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 David James also began a good article on the importance of mental fitness, being able to concentrate and maintain focus on the job at hand. Unfortunately, he spotted something out the corner of his eye, got distracted and forgot to finish writing it. Wasn't he the one who got fucked up by playing too much playstation when at Liverpool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfella Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Robbo and Huddlestone are certainly looking more 'streamlined' these days.... is that just since Ramos came in? Plain and simply YES. Both were fat porkers before which was tolerated by the old regime even though there performances were also s**** but the new fitness coach Ramos brought in is doing wonders. James is clearly directing that comment at us which dosnt really make much sense as theres definatly been an improvement since Ramos took over. I think that's why people are guessing it's directed at us; Sam is very high profile in his use of ProZone/Heart monitors etc., and there hasn't been a noticable improvement yet. Can't believe anyone would get particularly wound up over what he's 'heard' though ah but there is an improvement. lets see- who do we have injured at the moment? ramage and carr iirc? comparing that to 13 at one point last season. also, we are getting late goals and looking more likely to score than concede in the last minute, with the exception of offside bastards at stamford bridge. Personally, I think our lack of injuries this season compared to the last couple is more down to us playing loads less games. We must have played a dozen more games by Christmas last year and the year before with the Intertoto and all that. If, (god forbid) we get knocked out of the cup next week, then I reckon this season we will play less games than any season in the last hundred years or so. I wonder if we'll still hear the same excuses about the players being tired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 we are getting late goals and looking more likely to score than concede in the last minute, with the exception of offside bastards at stamford bridge. One late goal was a pen, the other a corner & Vidukas was off a long punt from the goalie. They are hardly goals scored because we are fitter. Yeah your right we do not concede in the last minute we just need to work on the other 89 minutes now. credit where credit's due mate, if your teams fitter you get late goals, its not just the 2 seconds where you score that matters, we have to force the other team into mistakes/win the ball first, we might not have won the pen at fulham if the lads were more tired, also there's owens late winner at home to add to the list If I could be arsed I am sure I can find times pre-sam that we have won pens or scored goals late on. The fitness that Sam is improving means our boys are still going flat out in April & May, not doing well late on in game in December. so could i, tottenham away for example, i just think we look stronger later in games than we used to, in general Cant say I have noticed. Cant think of any of last seasons squad that look dramatically improved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 we are getting late goals and looking more likely to score than concede in the last minute, with the exception of offside bastards at stamford bridge. One late goal was a pen, the other a corner & Vidukas was off a long punt from the goalie. They are hardly goals scored because we are fitter. Yeah your right we do not concede in the last minute we just need to work on the other 89 minutes now. credit where credit's due mate, if your teams fitter you get late goals, its not just the 2 seconds where you score that matters, we have to force the other team into mistakes/win the ball first, we might not have won the pen at fulham if the lads were more tired, also there's owens late winner at home to add to the list If I could be arsed I am sure I can find times pre-sam that we have won pens or scored goals late on. The fitness that Sam is improving means our boys are still going flat out in April & May, not doing well late on in game in December. so could i, tottenham away for example, i just think we look stronger later in games than we used to, in general Cant say I have noticed. Cant think of any of last seasons squad that look dramatically improved. hmm, fair point, maybe he's brought generally fitter players in then? personally though i've always been used to us crumbling late on whereas this season i feel ever so slightly more confident we can play till the end. still says nowt for the first 80 minutes though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SellSholaFor1M Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I've heard that one top club pick their players on the basis of fitness data taken in training. They've spent millions in the transfer market, yet a heart monitor is going to tell them who makes the team sheet? Funnily enough, their league position isn't exactly stunning How is everyone reacting so much to this? Of course you can't read too much into it. As you know I detest Fat Sam, but it would surprise and shock me if an opposing player knew this type of information. That said, we all know Fat Sam is a big fan of his stats, and uses them to try and justify his football (look on the official site for the piece with stats post Birmingham). And like James says, they can be totally misleading. Who knows if Fat Sam picks his teams based on fitness levels or passing percentages of players. We don't. But what we do know is he loves his stats, too much if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 David James also began a good article on the importance of mental fitness, being able to concentrate and maintain focus on the job at hand. Unfortunately, he spotted something out the corner of his eye, got distracted and forgot to finish writing it. Wasn't he the one who got f***** up by playing too much playstation when at Liverpool? One and the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 As a kid I spent hours poring over football annuals, obsessing over clean-sheets records. Did he used to shit the bed when he was a bairn like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrEe Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Saying that, Phil Neville scored against me, and oh my gosh, it was the worst day of my life. At least he got one past Shay Given as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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