Stu Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 ...is the only logical explanation that I can come up with for the fans who continue to fuel the media-storm surrounding Allardyce. For example, the guy on Radio5Live yesterday morning insisting Sam should be sacked (NE5?). It seems like many supporters have become used to knee-jerk reactions by the manager or board under the old regime - so familiar were the stories of us changing manager, splashing out on a multi-million pound "superstar" or even digging up the training pitch! With the club constantly in the headlines over the last 5 years of Shepherd's reign, journalists were able to use the club to sell papers - now, with a more structured and disciplined regime, a lot of journalists find themselves with nothing to write about. I honestly believe that the fans are the same, without any superstar signings or great performances, they're impatient for a sign of great things to come and can't accept the fact that a year or two (at least) are needed for the club to settle down and become more stable. We have the right owners for this, we have the right managers for this, we have some of the right playing squad for this but do we have the right fans for this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 *cries* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 How about no, Scott? OK? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 ...is the only logical explanation that I can come up with for the fans who continue to fuel the media-storm surrounding Allardyce. For example, the guy on Radio5Live yesterday morning insisting Sam should be sacked (NE5?). It seems like many supporters have become used to knee-jerk reactions by the manager or board under the old regime - so familiar were the stories of us changing manager, splashing out on a multi-million pound "superstar" or even digging up the training pitch! With the club constantly in the headlines over the last 5 years of Shepherd's reign, journalists were able to use the club to sell papers - now, with a more structured and disciplined regime, a lot of journalists find themselves with nothing to write about. I honestly believe that the fans are the same, without any superstar signings or great performances, they're impatient for a sign of great things to come and can't accept the fact that a year or two (at least) are needed for the club to settle down and become more stable. We have the right owners for this, we have the right managers for this, we have some of the right playing squad for this but do we have the right fans for this? mackems.gif I could start with asking how many "superstars" you think we will need to catch the top 4 who don't buy any themselves, and even how many we actually have on the books at the moment ? But I'll just say that I'm pleased for you that you are happy with the mediocrity we are suffering and some of the players we brought in instead BTW, your username made me smile too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 ...is the only logical explanation that I can come up with for the fans who continue to fuel the media-storm surrounding Allardyce. For example, the guy on Radio5Live yesterday morning insisting Sam should be sacked (NE5?). It seems like many supporters have become used to knee-jerk reactions by the manager or board under the old regime - so familiar were the stories of us changing manager, splashing out on a multi-million pound "superstar" or even digging up the training pitch! With the club constantly in the headlines over the last 5 years of Shepherd's reign, journalists were able to use the club to sell papers - now, with a more structured and disciplined regime, a lot of journalists find themselves with nothing to write about. I honestly believe that the fans are the same, without any superstar signings or great performances, they're impatient for a sign of great things to come and can't accept the fact that a year or two (at least) are needed for the club to settle down and become more stable. We have the right owners for this, we have the right managers for this, we have some of the right playing squad for this but do we have the right fans for this? mackems.gif I could start with asking how many "superstars" you think we will need to catch the top 4 who don't buy any themselves, and even how many we actually have on the books at the moment ? But I'll just say that I'm pleased for you that you are happy with the mediocrity we are suffering and some of the players we brought in instead BTW, your username made me smile too As they say, simple things please simple minds... PS: the signings of Luque, Owen and Boumsong are all examples of where the old-regime paid over the odds to satisfy the 'demands' of the fans and keep them happy for a few months (until the next 'crisis') Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nufc 4 life Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 ...is the only logical explanation that I can come up with for the fans who continue to fuel the media-storm surrounding Allardyce. For example, the guy on Radio5Live yesterday morning insisting Sam should be sacked (NE5?). It seems like many supporters have become used to knee-jerk reactions by the manager or board under the old regime - so familiar were the stories of us changing manager, splashing out on a multi-million pound "superstar" or even digging up the training pitch! With the club constantly in the headlines over the last 5 years of Shepherd's reign, journalists were able to use the club to sell papers - now, with a more structured and disciplined regime, a lot of journalists find themselves with nothing to write about. I honestly believe that the fans are the same, without any superstar signings or great performances, they're impatient for a sign of great things to come and can't accept the fact that a year or two (at least) are needed for the club to settle down and become more stable. We have the right owners for this, we have the right managers for this, we have some of the right playing squad for this but do we have the right fans for this? mackems.gif I could start with asking how many "superstars" you think we will need to catch the top 4 who don't buy any themselves, and even how many we actually have on the books at the moment ? But I'll just say that I'm pleased for you that you are happy with the mediocrity we are suffering and some of the players we brought in instead BTW, your username made me smile too As they say, simple things please simple minds... :blob7: :blob8: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 ...is the only logical explanation that I can come up with for the fans who continue to fuel the media-storm surrounding Allardyce. For example, the guy on Radio5Live yesterday morning insisting Sam should be sacked (NE5?). It seems like many supporters have become used to knee-jerk reactions by the manager or board under the old regime - so familiar were the stories of us changing manager, splashing out on a multi-million pound "superstar" or even digging up the training pitch! With the club constantly in the headlines over the last 5 years of Shepherd's reign, journalists were able to use the club to sell papers - now, with a more structured and disciplined regime, a lot of journalists find themselves with nothing to write about. I honestly believe that the fans are the same, without any superstar signings or great performances, they're impatient for a sign of great things to come and can't accept the fact that a year or two (at least) are needed for the club to settle down and become more stable. We have the right owners for this, we have the right managers for this, we have some of the right playing squad for this but do we have the right fans for this? mackems.gif I could start with asking how many "superstars" you think we will need to catch the top 4 who don't buy any themselves, and even how many we actually have on the books at the moment ? But I'll just say that I'm pleased for you that you are happy with the mediocrity we are suffering and some of the players we brought in instead BTW, your username made me smile too As they say, simple things please simple minds... I can't think of anything more stupid than you thinking I would phone the radio and demand Allardyce be sacked. It proves conclusively you don't read this site or my posts. And, aye, your username is pretty apt tbh. Why don't you answer the comments I referred to in your previous post and try to prove me wrong if you think you are so smart ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ridzuan Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 As the old saying goes,old habits die hard and I think it is the same situation here.Im sure as the time goes,we will slowly stop talking about the same old thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 well, its just a daft post, and just as daft a thread starter. He must be pretty much obsessed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 You did jump straight in too tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 You did jump straight in too tbf. aye, and he's serious mackems.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 *cries* Jesus, is that you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 PS: the signings of Luque, Owen and Boumsong are all examples of where the old-regime paid over the odds to satisfy the 'demands' of the fans and keep them happy for a few months (until the next 'crisis') HERE HERE! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 As the old saying goes,old habits die hard and I think it is the same situation here.Im sure as the time goes,we will slowly stop talking about the same old thing. mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 ...is the only logical explanation that I can come up with for the fans who continue to fuel the media-storm surrounding Allardyce. For example, the guy on Radio5Live yesterday morning insisting Sam should be sacked (NE5?). It seems like many supporters have become used to knee-jerk reactions by the manager or board under the old regime - so familiar were the stories of us changing manager, splashing out on a multi-million pound "superstar" or even digging up the training pitch! With the club constantly in the headlines over the last 5 years of Shepherd's reign, journalists were able to use the club to sell papers - now, with a more structured and disciplined regime, a lot of journalists find themselves with nothing to write about. I honestly believe that the fans are the same, without any superstar signings or great performances, they're impatient for a sign of great things to come and can't accept the fact that a year or two (at least) are needed for the club to settle down and become more stable. We have the right owners for this, we have the right managers for this, we have some of the right playing squad for this but do we have the right fans for this? mackems.gif I could start with asking how many "superstars" you think we will need to catch the top 4 who don't buy any themselves, and even how many we actually have on the books at the moment ? But I'll just say that I'm pleased for you that you are happy with the mediocrity we are suffering and some of the players we brought in instead BTW, your username made me smile too As they say, simple things please simple minds... I can't think of anything more stupid than you thinking I would phone the radio and demand Allardyce be sacked. It proves conclusively you don't read this site or my posts. And, aye, your username is pretty apt tbh. Why don't you answer the comments I referred to in your previous post and try to prove me wrong if you think you are so smart ? NE5 - apologies for associating you with the "Allardyce-Out" section of our supporters. I seem to have confused your reasoned and optimistic view of current proceedings with someone else's rantings! As for the comments you made in the original reply: "I could start with asking how many "superstars" you think we will need to catch the top 4 who don't buy any themselves, and even how many we actually have on the books at the moment ? But I'll just say that I'm pleased for you that you are happy with the mediocrity we are suffering and some of the players we brought in instead" Are you saying that you want superstar-type signings or not? Personally, I'm of the view that the fundamentals of the club need to be sorted before we should be thinking about splashing the cash on footballers. So long as we retain our premiership status and begin to show gradual improvements in league position over the next 2-3 years, I'm more than happy for some of the champions-league rollercoaster hype to be lost. Once we've got a solid club with a solid team, we can start to attract players with not only the right skills (to take us up another level) but the right attitude towards the club, the fans and the sport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 ...is the only logical explanation that I can come up with for the fans who continue to fuel the media-storm surrounding Allardyce. For example, the guy on Radio5Live yesterday morning insisting Sam should be sacked (NE5?). A better explanation is that Allardyce is an arrogant overrated clown and the final cockup of Fat Fred's time here, one final mistake left from the Fred era that needs to be removed so we can start a fresh properly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 I have to say, I do miss Fat Freddy. Must get round to fixing the sight on that air-rifle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 ...is the only logical explanation that I can come up with for the fans who continue to fuel the media-storm surrounding Allardyce. For example, the guy on Radio5Live yesterday morning insisting Sam should be sacked (NE5?). A better explanation is that Allardyce is an arrogant overrated clown and the final cockup of Fat Fred's time here, one final mistake left from the Fred era that needs to be removed so we can start a fresh properly But surely you can see that by continuing the instability of the previous regime will only deter prospective managers from taking up the job? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 "Miss Freddie Shepherd" just reads all wrong tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 ...is the only logical explanation that I can come up with for the fans who continue to fuel the media-storm surrounding Allardyce. For example, the guy on Radio5Live yesterday morning insisting Sam should be sacked (NE5?). It seems like many supporters have become used to knee-jerk reactions by the manager or board under the old regime - so familiar were the stories of us changing manager, splashing out on a multi-million pound "superstar" or even digging up the training pitch! With the club constantly in the headlines over the last 5 years of Shepherd's reign, journalists were able to use the club to sell papers - now, with a more structured and disciplined regime, a lot of journalists find themselves with nothing to write about. I honestly believe that the fans are the same, without any superstar signings or great performances, they're impatient for a sign of great things to come and can't accept the fact that a year or two (at least) are needed for the club to settle down and become more stable. We have the right owners for this, we have the right managers for this, we have some of the right playing squad for this but do we have the right fans for this? mackems.gif I could start with asking how many "superstars" you think we will need to catch the top 4 who don't buy any themselves, and even how many we actually have on the books at the moment ? But I'll just say that I'm pleased for you that you are happy with the mediocrity we are suffering and some of the players we brought in instead BTW, your username made me smile too As they say, simple things please simple minds... I can't think of anything more stupid than you thinking I would phone the radio and demand Allardyce be sacked. It proves conclusively you don't read this site or my posts. And, aye, your username is pretty apt tbh. Why don't you answer the comments I referred to in your previous post and try to prove me wrong if you think you are so smart ? NE5 - apologies for associating you with the "Allardyce-Out" section of our supporters. I seem to have confused your reasoned and optimistic view of current proceedings with someone else's rantings! As for the comments you made in the original reply: "I could start with asking how many "superstars" you think we will need to catch the top 4 who don't buy any themselves, and even how many we actually have on the books at the moment ? But I'll just say that I'm pleased for you that you are happy with the mediocrity we are suffering and some of the players we brought in instead" Are you saying that you want superstar-type signings or not? Personally, I'm of the view that the fundamentals of the club need to be sorted before we should be thinking about splashing the cash on footballers. So long as we retain our premiership status and begin to show gradual improvements in league position over the next 2-3 years, I'm more than happy for some of the champions-league rollercoaster hype to be lost. Once we've got a solid club with a solid team, we can start to attract players with not only the right skills (to take us up another level) but the right attitude towards the club, the fans and the sport. My opinion is that you should buy the best quality players at all times, depending on the financial situation. This is how successful clubs operate, and how we ourselves have operated for the past 15 years ie anything less is not showing the ambition that should be shown by NUFC. I think talk of "hollywood", "trophy" and "superstar" signings is a load of bollocks. This is why I asked you to substantiate these "superstar" signings with names that we have signed ? Which you don't. Unfortunately, what we need right now is the best quality player we can for certain positions. There is no time like the present for getting back into europe asap. I don't see the point or the need to muddle around settling for sub standard players. You lack faith in the club if you are content to go down this route you appear to advocate. I don't know what you mean by "sorted" as I think such talk smacks of mediocrity and hype. The club have signed as many quality players [in the opinion of their appointed managers] that they have been able to in the past 15 years. That is what you need to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 PS: the signings of Luque, Owen and Boumsong are all examples of where the old-regime paid over the odds to satisfy the 'demands' of the fans and keep them happy for a few months (until the next 'crisis') Replace those names with Robert, Shearer and Bellamy and you might start to get the idea. Actually I think there must be quite a few people who do miss Shepherd in a way, as now there's noone to make an easy scapegoat of for anything that goes wrong at the club or when they want to defend the poor performance of the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 PS: the signings of Luque, Owen and Boumsong are all examples of where the old-regime paid over the odds to satisfy the 'demands' of the fans and keep them happy for a few months (until the next 'crisis') Replace those names with Robert, Shearer and Bellamy and you might start to get the idea. Actually I think there must be quite a few people who do miss Shepherd in a way, as now there's noone to make an easy scapegoat of for anything that goes wrong at the club or when they want to defend the poor performance of the manager. Yep, the manager misses him most, all anger is targeted directly at SA feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 My opinion is that you should buy the best quality players at all times, depending on the financial situation. This is how successful clubs operate, and how we ourselves have operated for the past 15 years ie anything less is not showing the ambition that should be shown by NUFC. I think talk of "hollywood", "trophy" and "superstar" signings is a load of bollocks. This is why I asked you to substantiate these "superstar" signings with names that we have signed ? Which you don't. Unfortunately, what we need right now is the best quality player we can for certain positions. There is no time like the present for getting back into europe asap. I don't see the point or the need to muddle around settling for sub standard players. You lack faith in the club if you are content to go down this route you appear to advocate. I don't know what you mean by "sorted" as I think such talk smacks of mediocrity and hype. The club have signed as many quality players [in the opinion of their appointed managers] that they have been able to in the past 15 years. That is what you need to do. When I say "superstar", I am of course referring to those big-money signings that Shepherd loved to make when the supporters started to get restless. The 7-figure-attention-drawing-away-from-the-pitch-sum, as I said above the likes of Luque, Owen, Boumsong were bought at a time when the fans weren't particularly impressed with recent results but were temporarily satisfied at the prospect of seeing the new players play. Instead of throwing money at a couple of 'quality' players, it could have been used to either strengthen the squad, or the club's infrastructure creating a more long-lasting improvement at the club. The attitude you have can work, but only if you have the right judgement in place - which I think we've proven (even under Keegan and Robson) isn't one of our strengths. By going down the route I've highlighted, we're sacrificing potential short term gains for long-term, sustainable improvements. With the aim being that in 3-4 years time, we're supporters of a well-organised, professional outfit that can withstand the rollercoaster of emotion in football. This in turn, will enable us to attract professional, skillful, ambitious and match-winning/game-changing players who have a genuine passion for the sport combined with a winning attitude - something I don't think we've truly succeeded in doing since Shearer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 PS: the signings of Luque, Owen and Boumsong are all examples of where the old-regime paid over the odds to satisfy the 'demands' of the fans and keep them happy for a few months (until the next 'crisis') Replace those names with Robert, Shearer and Bellamy and you might start to get the idea. Actually I think there must be quite a few people who do miss Shepherd in a way, as now there's noone to make an easy scapegoat of for anything that goes wrong at the club or when they want to defend the poor performance of the manager. Shearer aside (which was a record-breaking fee at the time remember), the other two had bagfuls of talent but lacked the attitude to put the club before themselves. I'm a huge fan of both, but their conduct while they were here spoke volumes about the way the club was ran/state of the dressing room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danswan Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 "Miss Freddie Shepherd" just reads all wrong tbh It's the capital 'M'. ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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