Kevin Keegan

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, Orphanage said:

For many people not just me . Some of you should get out of yer echo chambers once in awhile 

And maybe you shouldn't be presumptuous about people you don't know

[Big Geordie]

1 hour ago, vic said:

Not so much female pundits but female commentators make my ears bleed,Vicky Sparks the worst.

 

Met Vicky Sparks briefly when she worked for Radio Newcastle. Nice enough lass  - a god botherer apparently!

 

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by Big Geordie

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Pretty sure I hate everyone commentating on football. 

[Disco]

Isn’t spotted for ages then pops up on this matter. Oh Kev. 

[dorty]

I was there in 82 when he made his debut at SJP. Tempus fugit.

[Superior Acuña]

1 hour ago, Orphanage said:

For many people not just me . Some of you should get out of yer echo chambers once in awhile 

Mate, please tell me you can see that it's a bit thick to suggest others, rather than you, should 'get out of yer echo chamber' when you're the one saying the problem doesn't even exist 

 

 

 

 

[Dr Venkman]

2 hours ago, Orphanage said:

Think you'll find that women are doing ok in society .

Phew, glad that’s settled. 

[ryanegg]

16 minutes ago, Disco said:

Isn’t spotted for ages then pops up on this matter. Oh Kev. 

He’s been about, just he’s said something (which I believe has been taken out of context) that doesn’t fit the media’s current narrative, so is being chastised for it while they earn money off ads.

[Orphanage]

38 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

Mate, please tell me you can see that it's a bit thick to suggest others, rather than you, should 'get out of yer echo chamber' when you're the one saying the problem doesn't even exist 

 

 

 

 

Read it again i said the imposition of female commentators onto the male game was a solution to a problem that doesnt exist . Its amazing how outraged some of you get when someone expresses an opinion thats outside of what the clique on here believes . I respect anyones view  that they want female presenters i just disagree . Disagreement is allowed i take it ?

 

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by Orphanage
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[Guest]

19 minutes ago, ryanegg said:

He’s been about, just he’s said something (which I believe has been taken out of context) that doesn’t fit the media’s current narrative, so is being chastised for it while they earn money off ads.

They've ignored all the positive things he said which is typical of the media to go all emotional about the one comment that differs from what they consider general opinion. 

 

What he's trying to probably say without trying to get too controversial is that men and women's football is in two different standards, like how an under 15s boys team can beat the US women's team comfortably. 

Now we wouldn't get a men's pub league player to analyse what he would do in a champions league match because he's not played at that level

 

I'm not saying I 100% agree with him but I think that's what he's trying to say 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Dr Venkman said:

So you're not misogynist, you're just prejudiced against women?

 

 

Preference isnt always prejudice. He hasn't indicated anything toxic? 

[ryanegg]

6 minutes ago, Pancrate1892 said:

They've ignored all the positive things he said which is typical of the media to go all emotional about the one comment that differs from what they consider general opinion. 

 

What he's trying to probably say without trying to get too controversial is that men and women's football is in two different standards, like how an under 15s boys team can beat the US women's team comfortably. 

Now we wouldn't get a men's pub league player to analyse what he would do in a champions league match because he's not played at that level

 

I'm not saying I 100% agree with him but I think that's what he's trying to say 

 

Exactly this.

[MrRaspberryJam]

1 minute ago, Pancrate1892 said:

Preference isnt always prejudice. He hasn't indicated anything toxic? 

He went down in my estimation when he said that. 

[Guest]

Just now, MrRaspberryJam said:

He went down in my estimation when he said that. 

And we're still fighting for women's rights

[MrRaspberryJam]

Just now, Pancrate1892 said:

And we're still fighting for women's rights

Women. Are. Dirty. 

[Superior Acuña]

19 minutes ago, Orphanage said:

Read it again i said the imposition of female commentators onto the male game was a solution to a problem that doesnt exist . Its amazing how outraged some of you get when someone expresses an opinion thats outside of what the clique on here believes . I respect anyones view  that they want female presenters i just disagree . Disagreement is allowed i take it ?

 

 

 

 

Yes, I understand. Read it again, and think about whether it's you or KI in that discussion that are in an echo chamber of the same views. The one who can see the problem doesn't exist (i.e. matter) for some and does for others, or the one who simply hasn't seen the problem exists. (maybe...because he lives in an echo chamber?)

[smootsmack]

35 minutes ago, Orphanage said:

Read it again i said the imposition of female commentators onto the male game was a solution to a problem that doesnt exist . Its amazing how outraged some of you get when someone expresses an opinion thats outside of what the clique on here believes . I respect anyones view  that they want female presenters i just disagree . Disagreement is allowed i take it ?

 

10 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

Yes, I understand. Read it again, and think about whether it's you or KI in that discussion that are in an echo chamber of the same views. The one who can see the problem doesn't exist (i.e. matter) for some and does for others, or the one who simply hasn't seen the problem exists. (maybe...because he lives in an echo chamber?)

 

If I'm not overly concerned about the gender of a person on TV, am I in an echo chamber or not?

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

31 minutes ago, Pancrate1892 said:

They've ignored all the positive things he said which is typical of the media to go all emotional about the one comment that differs from what they consider general opinion. 

 

What he's trying to probably say without trying to get too controversial is that men and women's football is in two different standards, like how an under 15s boys team can beat the US women's team comfortably. 

Now we wouldn't get a men's pub league player to analyse what he would do in a champions league match because he's not played at that level

 

I'm not saying I 100% agree with him but I think that's what he's trying to say 

 

I'm pretty certain every main football commentator hasn't played at a professional level. Motson, Tyler, Tyldesly, Drury, Pearce, Davies, Mowbray... How does the "standards" argument explain that?

[Guest]

Just now, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

I'm pretty certain every main football commentator hasn't played at a professional level. Motson, Tyler, Tyldesly, Drury, Pearce, Davies, Mowbray... How does the "standards" argument explain that?

I thought you might say that. 

Keegan specifically alluded to a player saying 'if I was in that position' 

Thats the one 

 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Just now, Pancrate1892 said:

I thought you might say that. 

Keegan specifically alluded to a player saying 'if I was in that position' 

Thats the one 

 

 

I dont understand.

(Im not here to Keegan bash, btw)

[Chris_R]

4 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

I'm pretty certain every main football commentator hasn't played at a professional level. Motson, Tyler, Tyldesly, Drury, Pearce, Davies, Mowbray... How does the "standards" argument explain that?

This.

 

It's bollocks from Keegan, who I otherwise adore, and bollocks from everyone supporting his stance.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

I dont understand.

(Im not here to Keegan bash, btw)

I know. We all love KK

 

If you put aside commentators (which I realise was the original discussion) and focus on what he alluded to about a WSL player saying what they'd do if they were in same position as a men's player in a situation he maybe has a point because it's a different level of skill and experience. 

 

We might see disabled footballers hired to give their expert opinions in the future.

[Mattoon]

1 minute ago, Pancrate1892 said:

I know. We all love KK

 

If you put aside commentators (which I realise was the original discussion) and focus on what he alluded to about a WSL player saying what they'd do if they were in same position as a men's player in a situation he maybe has a point because it's a different level of skill and experience. 

 

We might see disabled footballers hired to give their expert opinions in the future.

 

I don't think he's said much wrong, he's entitled to an opinion, whether others like it or not. I also don't think it was misogynistic as he wasn't specifically aiming it at their gender, rather their experience within the game.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

2 minutes ago, Pancrate1892 said:

I know. We all love KK

 

If you put aside commentators (which I realise was the original discussion) and focus on what he alluded to about a WSL player saying what they'd do if they were in same position as a men's player in a situation he maybe has a point because it's a different level of skill and experience. 

 

We might see disabled footballers hired to give their expert opinions in the future.

 

He did, but just because they haven't played in Men's competition doesn't mean their analysis isn't valid. They have experience being in that position against an opposition, its not wild that they might have a relevant opinion on any moment or action.

I love KK but he has a bit of an antiquated view on the matter going off those few lines. But he is 72, so... Not going to change my opinion of him though.

And to an earlier point, not yours btw, about it not being a solution to any problem. It absolutely is, its solves the problem of women not being afforded equal status in a specific role. It solves the problem of women being separated and being seen as less worthy. Which is a problem. You cant accept Andy fucking Hinchcliffe getting commentating gigs and bemoan an England womens internationals getting them. 

[Guest]

What he's said is wrong like. 

 

It is going to ruin talk-ins, though. The compère will normally say don't film anything, etc because they tell stories that may be a bit personal.

 

One of the things that make these great is it's meant to be personal stories and you get experiences that you may not have heard. Ex-players will just stop telling anything dishy or controversial anymore for fear it comes out in public and they'll become boring.