Parky Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Who is in charge of this ship? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 i always thought shepherd wasnt a nice guy, but genuinely cared about the club and wasnt afraid to back his manager with cash - seems he hasnt done that this time though i agree with s9 though, i just think surely we could squeeze a defender in. There was that tiny cash amount of about 50 million that he gave to Souness that could just dent our pockets a little Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sunderlandsuck Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 when i see the vision west ham have had in this transfer window, i feel envious of a team that only came up last year and has a stadium that dosent even hold 40,000. we should be doing better, roeder talks about how transfers now are hard, WELL THEN WHY CAN OTHER BLOODY CLUBS DO IT. sheperd blatently hasnt given roeder an inch in the way of transfers, roeder is officially shepards bitch, and will take no bs from wor glenn, he did it last year for us with a shite team, but he wont do it again, sheperd just dosent see this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I wouldn't go as far to call it a debacle, disappointing and frustrating but it could have been worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 when i see the vision west ham have had in this transfer window, i feel envious of a team that only came up last year and has a stadium that dosent even hold 40,000. we should be doing better, roeder talks about how transfers now are hard, WELL THEN WHY CAN OTHER BLOODY CLUBS DO IT. sheperd blatently hasnt given roeder an inch in the way of transfers, roeder is officially shepards bitch, and will take no bs from wor glenn, he did it last year for us with a shite team, but he wont do it again, sheperd just dosent see this. It's not just West Ham. Look at Spurs: they've kicked our arse off the pitch in the last two seasons. They've got an excellent management structure in place and a transfer policy that seems to be reaping rewards. Their squad looks very good. I'l not even bother mentioning Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 SHEPHERD OUT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Pointing the finger of blame is stupid imo. Last year Fred rolled the dice on Owen, it was a big gamble and one that he had to cover with what turned out to be a shocking side bet. This years punting has been fucked about by Chelsea's saga with Arsenal. Owen's injury has crippled us (and him) so most of this summers events i will put down to chance and the bets that were placed just not coming off. There are no certainties in this game, its a mixture of luck and money, something we seem to be short on given the extent of Owen's knee injury. If we sign someone tonight is everyone going to be happy? if so, does that mean we are one player short of a proper squad? No. I will echoe the sage-like AS9's sentiments, this is a building job after souness and that means we should not panic buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedudeabides Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Shepherd 100%. The bloke's a fucking clown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Pointing the finger of blame is stupid imo. Attributing blame is fucking necessary in my humble opinion. If we are looking to compete, and we stay as we are, heads should roll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Pointing the finger of blame is stupid imo. Attributing blame is fucking necessary in my humble opinion. If we are looking to compete, and we stay as we are, heads should roll. Fair enough. You may need to attach blame for psychological reasons. However, blame culture in business organisations is detrimental in my vastly experienced opinion bluebigrazz.gif Nah, the main point is blame for what? Its results that count not whether we get Bridge at 11.58 tonight. I think i will address the blame question after the results fuck us up not before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Teams ahead of us now are: The top 4.. and Spurs West Ham maybe even Pompey.. bluebigeek.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I blame both but if I have to pin it on somebody its definitely Roeder. Given our poor financial state, 15M is a lot and I don't think we could have asked for more from Freddy. Its Roeder who has to decide how best to spend that 15M given the weaknesses in our squad and he has failed miserably. If we are not getting any defenders because we have no money, then either Roeder should have some of those freebies or get some on loan (I know they are not that great and Trabelsi and Campbell comes with some baggage....but they are miles better than our lot). Failing that he should not have agreed to the Duff deal, Duff is great but not at the expense of neglecting our defence. If Freddy forced it upon him (which is off course just speculation), then he should have stood his ground. We needed a manager who is strong, unfortunately Roeder is anything but strong. I've always said appointing him was a big mistake, I've not reached the point of wanting him sacked, but his transfer dealings has pushed him one giant step towards that in my estimation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Anyone care to revise their vote now we've signed Sibierski? Fuck me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Edit, it's now a debacle! utterly lost for words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Edit, it's now a debacle! utterly lost for words. Thought you might. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 With the Milner farce and no defenders it's a debacle alright. Why don't we ever invest in the defence? The last time we bought defenders was January 2005 and they were Boumsong and Babayaro! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Views are usually very polarised, so it should be a simple question. I've stuck Souness in with Shepherd for two reasons: Shepherd employed Souness It will annoy NE5 bluesleep.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearer9 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 I don't see how anyone can really know what went on. Knowing Shepard, he could well have gone straight over Roeder's head and brought in his typical glamour signings. If we knew for a fact that Roeder's plan all along had been to bring in these 3 players, and that was all, then OK, we can blame him, but there's no way to tell whether or not that's the truth. A lot of people have been saying that Roeder seems like he doesn't have a plan, or that Roeder doesn't know what he's doing, or that Roeder can't attract big names. But in reality, it's speculation, fueled by the media, and their speculation. Considering who the leader of this football club is, we can really only truly blame one person, because it was either his transfer policy or his appointment that made a mess of this transfer period. But there's still way too much doom and gloom. If we get it right attacking-wise, we're going to score a lot of goals this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Filflop Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Sheperd if him and Dougy werent fleecing the club out of £££'s we might be able to get some players in, Also i can understand Boro not wanting to deal with us if we where blatantly trying to hijack the Huth deal, saying that Huth and Viduka could have been signed months ago, Its a complete farce up there get rid of the Greggs Muncher, Only person that i feel sorry for is Milner and a bit for Roeder ive got a feeling he is just going to be a fall guy, stop gap manager blueupset.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ridzuan Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Freddy should be blame without a doubt.He always thinks of himself first and not the club.If he loves the club,then he should have let the takeover bid to happen but I guess his brain is too fat for him to think correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 It seems to me that what has happened this summer is the fruit of two major blunders that the club has made. The first was to pay way over the odds for Owen, in transfer fee and wages, which has then had an impact on our room for manouevre on other options, regardless of whether Owen stayed fit or not. The second was to keep Shearer as a first team regular, right up to the point of his retirement. Not only did that affect performances on the pitch, but it made it very difficult to plan for the post-Shearer era in the striking department, as Roeder himself has now admitted. I also think the whole situation led indirectly to Souness and Roeder's appointments, in that many managers were, in all probability, put off from considering the club. Both areas should have been pure footballing decisions, but I think Shepherd got himself heavily involved, and I would blame him for the amateurish way we approached both issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Fox Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 The point is if Roeder is a failure then Shepherd will be responsible for appointing 4 failures out of 5. However some will say its not his fault as they looked good on paper (Dalglish, Gullit). However the Chairman and Boards of other big clubs, and that is who we should be comparing ourselves with not the also rans which we are becoming, manage to apoint quality Managers who bring in quality players. So something is wrong somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Fat Freddie is to blame -- obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 The point is if Roeder is a failure then Shepherd will be responsible for appointing 4 failures out of 5. And we can only wonder if Robson would have been appointed if he wasn't a Geordie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Yes, its Shepherds fault for employing the manager. But the manager must shoulder some of the blame for the mess as well. I think it is shared - the cockney and the fat man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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