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[Dave]

By the way we didn't seem to have a problem getting players 'across the line' in January. You know, that time we looked like we might get relegated. When the chips were down and his investment was at serious risk suddenly the finance was there so it's an insult to suggest that we can't afford to do things this summer.

[Guest neesy111]

So we need to spend more because the manager is shite?  Is some new manager going to get 20+ extra goals out of the same team, highly doubt it.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

You mean "back him"

[Teasy]

If the manager is shit, surely spending more on the squad becomes even more of a necessity.

 

We're talking about what the bigger problem is, lack of transfers or Pardew.  What you're suggesting is akin to saying that if you have a hole in your pocket then not putting money in faster than it falls out is the biggest problem and not the hole itself.  We need players, lack of transfers is a problem, Pardews still the bigger problem.

[Skeletor]

By the way we didn't seem to have a problem getting players 'across the line' in January. You know, that time we looked like we might get relegated. When the chips were down and his investment was at serious risk suddenly the finance was there so it's an insult to suggest that we can't afford to do things this summer.

 

 

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE BALANCE SHEETS?

[Teasy]

So we need to spend more because the manager is shite?  Is some new manager going to get 20+ extra goals out of the same team, highly doubt it.

 

Are you honestly trying to argue Pardew isn't a total and utter fuck up man?, really?  Did you watch the Reading game near the end of the season?, or pretty much any game last season.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

If the manager is s***, surely spending more on the squad becomes even more of a necessity.

 

We're talking about what the bigger problem is, lack of transfers or Pardew.  What you're suggesting is akin to saying that if you have a hole in your pocket then not putting money in faster than it falls out is the biggest problem and not the hole itself.  We need players, lack of transfers is a problem, Pardews still the bigger problem.

 

 

What we really need is JFK to step in.

[Mole_Toonfan]

So we need to spend more because the manager is s****?  Is some new manager going to get 20+ extra goals out of the same team, highly doubt it.

 

Yes they would.... because a better manager would have the team playing higher up the pitch and closer to goal.

 

Pardew did it for 6 games and we were scoring consistently, the real issue is how deep the team is and isolated the forwards are from the rest of the team.

 

You can't score consistently like this unless you have a Drogba type, no matter how many " goalscorers" you have on the pitch.

[Stuy_O]

It's a combination. If you give a limited manager limited recourses then you're asking for it.

 

When Pardew was asked about what Ashley said to him about the season prospects at the beginning of the last term, he said 'mike said do it all again but with less money'. Quite staggering really.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

It's a combination. If you give a limited manager limited recourses then you're asking for it.

 

When Pardew was asked about what Ashley said to him about the season prospects at the beginning of the last term, he said 'mike said do it all again but with less money'. Quite staggering really.

 

This, although I think you mean resources. 

 

The squad depth is shockingly poor.  Even Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp would struggle to get results when following a few injuries, they have to turn to the likes of Obertan, Gosling, Williamson and the Ameobi brothers.

[Guest neesy111]

Bad/good season etc.  Any team that decides not to buy any new players will immediately go backwards for quite a few reasons.  This is our biggest issue.

 

Kinnear can go shag some fucking badger as long as I care.  He clearly doesn't have a clue what he is doing.

[colinmk]

So we need to spend more because the manager is shite?  Is some new manager going to get 20+ extra goals out of the same team, highly doubt it.

 

A good manager would, yes.

[Teasy]

If the manager is s***, surely spending more on the squad becomes even more of a necessity.

 

We're talking about what the bigger problem is, lack of transfers or Pardew.  What you're suggesting is akin to saying that if you have a hole in your pocket then not putting money in faster than it falls out is the biggest problem and not the hole itself.  We need players, lack of transfers is a problem, Pardews still the bigger problem.

 

 

What we really need is JFK to step in.

 

No we need to bring in a decent manager (not that I see Kinnear are any worse tactically than Pardew mind).  I'm not sure why the prospect of Kinnear possibly taking over should improve my view on Pardew's abilities.  Makes no sense at all, then again this place is like a mental institution at the moment   Think I'll take a break from it.

[Mole_Toonfan]

It's a combination. If you give a limited manager limited recourses then you're asking for it.

 

When Pardew was asked about what Ashley said to him about the season prospects at the beginning of the last term, he said 'mike said do it all again but with less money'. Quite staggering really.

 

This, although I think you mean resources. 

 

The squad depth is shockingly poor.  Even Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp would struggle to get results when following a few injuries, they have to turn to the likes of Obertan, Gosling, Williamson and the Ameobi brothers.

 

How often was he actually forced into that though? i can't count the amount of times Obertan, Ameobi and even Williamson played when there were far better options sitting on the bench.

[Interpolic]

By the way we didn't seem to have a problem getting players 'across the line' in January. You know, that time we looked like we might get relegated. When the chips were down and his investment was at serious risk suddenly the finance was there so it's an insult to suggest that we can't afford to do things this summer.

 

 

But we'll hopefully get away with it though so it's no bother. Maximising our chances of relative success by getting new players through the door early isn't of much interest to us, especially when we've just spent money on a few players in January. Most clubs naturally want to push on but the squad and league position and cup progression is secondary to insane thriftiness for us as a club. Same as it ever was under Ashley, the sad thing is that I've become used to it.

[Guest neesy111]

Btw, what good manager would work under the utter shambles we have at the moment as well.

 

I hate Pardew, but he's the best of a shocking list of managers we could have at the moment.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

If the manager is s***, surely spending more on the squad becomes even more of a necessity.

 

We're talking about what the bigger problem is, lack of transfers or Pardew.  What you're suggesting is akin to saying that if you have a hole in your pocket then not putting money in faster than it falls out is the biggest problem and not the hole itself.  We need players, lack of transfers is a problem, Pardews still the bigger problem.

 

 

What we really need is JFK to step in.

 

No we need to bring in a decent manager (not that I see Kinnear are any worse tactically than Pardew mind).  I'm not sure why the prospect of Kinnear possibly taking over should improve my view on Pardew's abilities.

 

Some perspective and experience might.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Btw, what good manager would work under the utter shambles we have at the moment as well.

 

I hate Pardew, but he's the best if a shocking list of managers we could have at the moment.

 

That is true.

[Teasy]

If the manager is s***, surely spending more on the squad becomes even more of a necessity.

 

We're talking about what the bigger problem is, lack of transfers or Pardew.  What you're suggesting is akin to saying that if you have a hole in your pocket then not putting money in faster than it falls out is the biggest problem and not the hole itself.  We need players, lack of transfers is a problem, Pardews still the bigger problem.

 

 

What we really need is JFK to step in.

 

No we need to bring in a decent manager (not that I see Kinnear are any worse tactically than Pardew mind).  I'm not sure why the prospect of Kinnear possibly taking over should improve my view on Pardew's abilities.

 

Some perspective and experience might.

 

Pardews abilities as a manager are what they are, Kinnear might or might not be worse and might or might not take over if he's gone (certainly more embarrassing but not sure about being a worse tactician, I don't think that's possible).  But that doesn't change what I think of Pardew.

[Dave]

Btw, what good manager would work under the utter shambles we have at the moment as well.

 

I hate Pardew, but he's the best if a shocking list of managers we could have at the moment.

 

Probably right. Who else is there? If Kinnear didn't step in (which he will), you're talking along the lines of Dave Bassett, Dennis Wise, Gerry Francis, Alan Curbishley etc. Unemployed Londoners who did stuff in the 1990s and know Joe (and therefore Ashley).

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

It's a combination. If you give a limited manager limited recourses then you're asking for it.

 

When Pardew was asked about what Ashley said to him about the season prospects at the beginning of the last term, he said 'mike said do it all again but with less money'. Quite staggering really.

 

This, although I think you mean resources. 

 

The squad depth is shockingly poor.  Even Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp would struggle to get results when following a few injuries, they have to turn to the likes of Obertan, Gosling, Williamson and the Ameobi brothers.

 

How often was he actually forced into that though? i can't count the amount of times Obertan, Ameobi and even Williamson played when there were far better options sitting on the bench.

 

There were never far better options.  Last season we picked up so many injuries we had to bring our few decent players on the bench into the XI, leaving us with utter crap sat there.

 

Williamson was our third choice centre half up until January and Shola our third choice striker.  Injuries and fitness problems, which are as much the fault of the backroom staff as they are Pardew's, regularly meant they would have to start games.

[Kanj]

Slap a 3000,

[Dave]

I'd forgotten all about this (probably a subconscious choice tbh):

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7653839.stm

Francis offered Magpies position

 

Newcastle interim manager Joe Kinnear has said he has offered former QPR and Tottenham manager Gerry Francis a coaching role at the club.

 

Speaking after watching his side battle back from two goals down to draw 2-2 at Everton, Kinnear said he needed more help at St James' Park.

 

"I have known Gerry Francis all my life, he's a great coach," he said.

 

"I know he is tied up with media work so I put an offer to him to come in on Tuesdays and Thursdays."

 

Francis stood down from his manager's position at Bristol Rovers at the end of 2001 and has not had a permanent job in football since.

 

He has been coaching at Premier League new-boys Stoke City on a casual basis and recently spoke of his desire to make the role more official.

 

However, Kinnear appears keen to have the 57-year-old former England captain at Newcastle as he seeks to add some experience to his backroom team.

 

"There is only me and Chris (Hughton), and we have a lot of lads to work with. We need to work in smaller numbers," he added.

 

"Gerry can do some solid work and I will pay him accordingly. He has no desire to be a manager or anything full-time. He won't be involved in anything on Saturdays.

 

"I feel we need someone with that experience. He will not be a number two or anything like that, I will be meeting him for a meal on Monday afternoon to discuss it. There is a good chance something will happen.

 

"If it is not Gerry I will still be bringing someone else in, to specialise in certain things in small groups - defence, midfield, strikers."

 

That actually happened.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Strange one.... that Aulas tweet apparently translates to agreed a fee but the player wants 3k more than what we offered.

[Unbelievable]

A debate which is worse from Pardew the inept manager or our 'cut our nose to spite our face' transfer frugality..? They're quite frankly as bad as each other, but the elephant in the room here is the person who is ultimately responsible for this utter lack of ambition. He's by far and away the most toxic element to our club right now.