Guest Badhead Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Why are the 'old board' relevant to anything at all? They've f***ed off (having of their own free will sold their shares) to Spain/retirement/counting their money and so forth. They have nothing at all to do with Newcastle football now so who gives a toss about them? Aye, our history isnt important at all. To anything. Or any debate. About anything. Ffs. Where in my post did I say our history wasn't important? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Nobody in their right mind could argue that we've been anything better than mediocre since Shepherd sacked Bobby. Compared to what? In terms of the level of football at which we are competing, or attempting to compete. Obviously, in terms of the Champions League, we are worse than mediocre. Compared to Blyth Spartans, though, we're pretty good. So not compared to the Premier League then? Au contraire. I said in terms of the level of football at which we are competing -- that certainly includes the Premier League. So competing as an 'average' Premier league side this year and finishing 7th would be a 'mediocre' season? Well wait and see the reaction if we finish 7th this season. Also, when we WON the Fairs Cup in 1969, we qualified in the first place by finishing a mediocre 10th. And only finished higher than that 3 times until 1994. Fact. 7th would be an improvemnet...in the way that 4th to 13th in 5 years isn't an improvement. again...no-one denies that shepherd done well and presided over some good times...what i am saying is he stopped doing it, shit decisions lead to us going backwards. i dont care if he had been chairman and we had won 10 league titles off the trot previous to appointing souness, he was taking us backwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Why are the 'old board' relevant to anything at all? They've f***ed off (having of their own free will sold their shares) to Spain/retirement/counting their money and so forth. They have nothing at all to do with Newcastle football now so who gives a toss about them? Aye, our history isnt important at all. To anything. Or any debate. About anything. Ffs. Where in my post did I say our history wasn't important? I thought the whole of your post implied that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 So people are arguing that being in Europe didnt make us a good team? I'm either deleting my account or joining Simon Jordan in Marbella. millwall in the uefa cup not so long......were they a good team ? do it 7 times in a decade and you may have a point does it mean if you play in europe you're a good team. also out of that 7 was 1 through the intertoto and two after finishing 13th ? it basically means that if you finish 13th or thereabouts, then the powers that be at a club like Newcastle ought to be showing the basic ambition to do a whole lot better. But that depends on the standards you set On the other hand, we could lower our standards, and wait for the 52000 crowds to continue paying to watch the expected mediocrity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Nobody in their right mind could argue that we've been anything better than mediocre since Shepherd sacked Bobby. Compared to what? In terms of the level of football at which we are competing, or attempting to compete. Obviously, in terms of the Champions League, we are worse than mediocre. Compared to Blyth Spartans, though, we're pretty good. So not compared to the Premier League then? Au contraire. I said in terms of the level of football at which we are competing -- that certainly includes the Premier League. So competing as an 'average' Premier league side this year and finishing 7th would be a 'mediocre' season? In the period under discussion it was our best finish by some considerable distance -- our only one in the top half of the table -- and it wasn't good enough to qualify for the UEFA. Yep, that's certainly a picture of mediocrity in the post-Bobby years. You said we'd never been better than mediocre and finishing 7th this year would be more than that. You cant have it both ways i'm afraid. My apologies. I read your post too quickly and took it as referring to our 7th place finish under Roeder -- highlight of the last five years. To answer your question properly, I'd say a 7th place finish next season would be good in terms of our recent league placings, but still mediocre in the wider scheme of things. It represents nothing better than the upper end of mid-table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Why are the 'old board' relevant to anything at all? They've fucked off (having of their own free will sold their shares) to Spain/retirement/counting their money and so forth. They have nothing at all to do with Newcastle football now so who gives a toss about them? Aye, our history isnt important at all. To anything. Or any debate. About anything. Ffs. Nearly as good as the 'Rooney is shit' one, nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 So people are arguing that being in Europe didnt make us a good team? I'm either deleting my account or joining Simon Jordan in Marbella. millwall in the uefa cup not so long......were they a good team ? do it 7 times in a decade and you may have a point does it mean if you play in europe you're a good team. also out of that 7 was 1 through the intertoto and two after finishing 13th ? it basically means that if you finish 13th or thereabouts, then the powers that be at a club like Newcastle ought to be showing the basic ambition to do a whole lot better. But that depends on the standards you set On the other hand, we could lower our standards, and wait for the 52000 crowds to continue paying to watch the expected mediocrity. what ambition..souness-roeder then allardyce/ it's like me letting my 4 year old daughter do the household finances. rank bad decisions! how many times have i said i'd rather keegan with 20 million than those 3 with 50 million....wouldn't you ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Nobody in their right mind could argue that we've been anything better than mediocre since Shepherd sacked Bobby. Compared to what? In terms of the level of football at which we are competing, or attempting to compete. Obviously, in terms of the Champions League, we are worse than mediocre. Compared to Blyth Spartans, though, we're pretty good. So not compared to the Premier League then? Au contraire. I said in terms of the level of football at which we are competing -- that certainly includes the Premier League. So competing as an 'average' Premier league side this year and finishing 7th would be a 'mediocre' season? In the period under discussion it was our best finish by some considerable distance -- our only one in the top half of the table -- and it wasn't good enough to qualify for the UEFA. Yep, that's certainly a picture of mediocrity in the post-Bobby years. You said we'd never been better than mediocre and finishing 7th this year would be more than that. You cant have it both ways i'm afraid. My apologies. I read your post too quickly and took it as referring to our 7th place finish under Roeder -- highlight of the last five years. To answer your question properly, I'd say a 7th place finish next season would be good in terms of our recent league placings, but still mediocre in the wider scheme of things. It represents nothing better than the upper end of mid-table. Well here's hoping for mediocrity at the end of this coming season then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Nobody in their right mind could argue that we've been anything better than mediocre since Shepherd sacked Bobby. Compared to what? In terms of the level of football at which we are competing, or attempting to compete. Obviously, in terms of the Champions League, we are worse than mediocre. Compared to Blyth Spartans, though, we're pretty good. So not compared to the Premier League then? Au contraire. I said in terms of the level of football at which we are competing -- that certainly includes the Premier League. So competing as an 'average' Premier league side this year and finishing 7th would be a 'mediocre' season? In the period under discussion it was our best finish by some considerable distance -- our only one in the top half of the table -- and it wasn't good enough to qualify for the UEFA. Yep, that's certainly a picture of mediocrity in the post-Bobby years. You said we'd never been better than mediocre and finishing 7th this year would be more than that. You cant have it both ways i'm afraid. My apologies. I read your post too quickly and took it as referring to our 7th place finish under Roeder -- highlight of the last five years. To answer your question properly, I'd say a 7th place finish next season would be good in terms of our recent league placings, but still mediocre in the wider scheme of things. It represents nothing better than the upper end of mid-table. Did you answer the question I asked you earlier ie did you have a season ticket when we were truly mediocre ? A simple yes or no will suffice ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Nobody in their right mind could argue that we've been anything better than mediocre since Shepherd sacked Bobby. Compared to what? In terms of the level of football at which we are competing, or attempting to compete. Obviously, in terms of the Champions League, we are worse than mediocre. Compared to Blyth Spartans, though, we're pretty good. So not compared to the Premier League then? Au contraire. I said in terms of the level of football at which we are competing -- that certainly includes the Premier League. So competing as an 'average' Premier league side this year and finishing 7th would be a 'mediocre' season? In the period under discussion it was our best finish by some considerable distance -- our only one in the top half of the table -- and it wasn't good enough to qualify for the UEFA. Yep, that's certainly a picture of mediocrity in the post-Bobby years. You said we'd never been better than mediocre and finishing 7th this year would be more than that. You cant have it both ways i'm afraid. My apologies. I read your post too quickly and took it as referring to our 7th place finish under Roeder -- highlight of the last five years. To answer your question properly, I'd say a 7th place finish next season would be good in terms of our recent league placings, but still mediocre in the wider scheme of things. It represents nothing better than the upper end of mid-table. Did you answer the question I asked you earlier ie did you have a season ticket when we were truly mediocre ? A simple yes or no will suffice ? he did answer it . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 So people are arguing that being in Europe didnt make us a good team? I'm either deleting my account or joining Simon Jordan in Marbella. millwall in the uefa cup not so long......were they a good team ? do it 7 times in a decade and you may have a point does it mean if you play in europe you're a good team. also out of that 7 was 1 through the intertoto and two after finishing 13th ? it basically means that if you finish 13th or thereabouts, then the powers that be at a club like Newcastle ought to be showing the basic ambition to do a whole lot better. But that depends on the standards you set On the other hand, we could lower our standards, and wait for the 52000 crowds to continue paying to watch the expected mediocrity. what ambition..souness-roeder then allardyce/ it's like me letting my 4 year old daughter do the household finances. rank bad decisions! how many times have i said i'd rather keegan with 20 million than those 3 with 50 million....wouldn't you ? Sorry but I'm talking about qualifying for europe 7 times in a decade. You don't do that if you don't have some sort of ambition. Do you think Ashley is showing this ambition ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Got to love NE5 of all people moaning at someone else for not answering a simple question. Indeed I might as well ask again... do you believe everything you read in the press Do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Nobody in their right mind could argue that we've been anything better than mediocre since Shepherd sacked Bobby. Compared to what? In terms of the level of football at which we are competing, or attempting to compete. Obviously, in terms of the Champions League, we are worse than mediocre. Compared to Blyth Spartans, though, we're pretty good. So not compared to the Premier League then? Au contraire. I said in terms of the level of football at which we are competing -- that certainly includes the Premier League. So competing as an 'average' Premier league side this year and finishing 7th would be a 'mediocre' season? In the period under discussion it was our best finish by some considerable distance -- our only one in the top half of the table -- and it wasn't good enough to qualify for the UEFA. Yep, that's certainly a picture of mediocrity in the post-Bobby years. You said we'd never been better than mediocre and finishing 7th this year would be more than that. You cant have it both ways i'm afraid. My apologies. I read your post too quickly and took it as referring to our 7th place finish under Roeder -- highlight of the last five years. To answer your question properly, I'd say a 7th place finish next season would be good in terms of our recent league placings, but still mediocre in the wider scheme of things. It represents nothing better than the upper end of mid-table. Did you answer the question I asked you earlier ie did you have a season ticket when we were truly mediocre ? A simple yes or no will suffice ? he did answer it . the key phrase is "truly mediocre". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Why are the 'old board' relevant to anything at all? They've fucked off (having of their own free will sold their shares) to Spain/retirement/counting their money and so forth. They have nothing at all to do with Newcastle football now so who gives a toss about them? Aye, our history isnt important at all. To anything. Or any debate. About anything. Ffs. Nearly as good as the 'Rooney is shit' one, nice. I thought that last one was restrained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 So people are arguing that being in Europe didnt make us a good team? I'm either deleting my account or joining Simon Jordan in Marbella. millwall in the uefa cup not so long......were they a good team ? do it 7 times in a decade and you may have a point does it mean if you play in europe you're a good team. also out of that 7 was 1 through the intertoto and two after finishing 13th ? it basically means that if you finish 13th or thereabouts, then the powers that be at a club like Newcastle ought to be showing the basic ambition to do a whole lot better. But that depends on the standards you set On the other hand, we could lower our standards, and wait for the 52000 crowds to continue paying to watch the expected mediocrity. what ambition..souness-roeder then allardyce/ it's like me letting my 4 year old daughter do the household finances. rank bad decisions! how many times have i said i'd rather keegan with 20 million than those 3 with 50 million....wouldn't you ? Sorry but I'm talking about qualifying for europe 7 times in a decade. You don't do that if you don't have some sort of ambition. Do you think Ashley is showing this ambition ? what ambition was shown by appointing those managers...none and rank bad decsion making if he thought it was. please for fucks sake read on all the posts i've typed on this about what shepherd HAD done...BUT HE WAS TAKING US BACKWARDS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 please for fucks sake read on all the posts i've typed on this about what shepherd HAD done...BUT HE WAS TAKING US BACKWARDS What NE5 sees. You should know this by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Badhead Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Why are the 'old board' relevant to anything at all? They've f***ed off (having of their own free will sold their shares) to Spain/retirement/counting their money and so forth. They have nothing at all to do with Newcastle football now so who gives a toss about them? Aye, our history isnt important at all. To anything. Or any debate. About anything. Ffs. Where in my post did I say our history wasn't important? I thought the whole of your post implied that. You misunderstood my post in that case, or I didn't make my point as well as I might have. Whatever. I read this thread as I have a few others and was struck by how often discussion on here comes down to comparing the Hall/Shepherd era with Ashley, and it strikes me as pointless. I've been going since the early seventies (not every game, I'm not a Soopafan) but my main interest is in what happens next season, not last, or ten years ago, or thirty-five. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 So people are arguing that being in Europe didnt make us a good team? I'm either deleting my account or joining Simon Jordan in Marbella. millwall in the uefa cup not so long......were they a good team ? do it 7 times in a decade and you may have a point does it mean if you play in europe you're a good team. also out of that 7 was 1 through the intertoto and two after finishing 13th ? it basically means that if you finish 13th or thereabouts, then the powers that be at a club like Newcastle ought to be showing the basic ambition to do a whole lot better. But that depends on the standards you set On the other hand, we could lower our standards, and wait for the 52000 crowds to continue paying to watch the expected mediocrity. what ambition..souness-roeder then allardyce/ it's like me letting my 4 year old daughter do the household finances. rank bad decisions! how many times have i said i'd rather keegan with 20 million than those 3 with 50 million....wouldn't you ? Sorry but I'm talking about qualifying for europe 7 times in a decade. You don't do that if you don't have some sort of ambition. Do you think Ashley is showing this ambition ? what ambition was shown by appointing those managers...none and rank bad decsion making if he thought it was. please for fucks sake read on all the posts i've typed on this about what shepherd HAD done...BUT HE WAS TAKING US BACKWARDS oh dear. The board appoint the managers. Not ONE person. The major shareholders simply don't let a single other person make the most important decision on their own. How many times does this need to be said ? The Halls and Shepherd appointed the managers, between 1992 and 2007. That is Keegan, Dalglish, Gullit, Robson, Souness, Roeder and Allardyce. Understand ? And - in my opinion the ex board understood that to reach the champions league positions, that you need to back their managers, and punch the weight of the club with the 2nd biggest [now 3rd] crowd [and the fanbase to go with it] in the country. They had showed they understood this by actuallly capitalising on it. So why would they not have done it again ? As Chez Given says, all you are spouting is blind optimism that Ashley will match it. He's done nothing or even said anything to give you such optimism, and are using personal dislike to taint your judgement. I've said my piece, and sadly the only thing that will change my mind is Ashley himself, if he starts backing his manager and showing he has the desire to succeed. Is this easy enough to understand ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 please for fucks sake read on all the posts i've typed on this about what shepherd HAD done...BUT HE WAS TAKING US BACKWARDS What NE5 sees. You should know this by now. constructive comment and factual information in prevous post Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 You just proved it, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 You just proved it, thanks. proved what ? i think that this thread has proved that some people simply don't have a clue, to be honest, because [in one perfect example] they are slating finishing 7th in the league [a position achieved only twice in 30 years prior to 1992] and you can bet your life that if we finish 7th this coming season will be quite happy with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 So people are arguing that being in Europe didnt make us a good team? I'm either deleting my account or joining Simon Jordan in Marbella. millwall in the uefa cup not so long......were they a good team ? do it 7 times in a decade and you may have a point does it mean if you play in europe you're a good team. also out of that 7 was 1 through the intertoto and two after finishing 13th ? it basically means that if you finish 13th or thereabouts, then the powers that be at a club like Newcastle ought to be showing the basic ambition to do a whole lot better. But that depends on the standards you set On the other hand, we could lower our standards, and wait for the 52000 crowds to continue paying to watch the expected mediocrity. what ambition..souness-roeder then allardyce/ it's like me letting my 4 year old daughter do the household finances. rank bad decisions! how many times have i said i'd rather keegan with 20 million than those 3 with 50 million....wouldn't you ? Sorry but I'm talking about qualifying for europe 7 times in a decade. You don't do that if you don't have some sort of ambition. Do you think Ashley is showing this ambition ? what ambition was shown by appointing those managers...none and rank bad decsion making if he thought it was. please for fucks sake read on all the posts i've typed on this about what shepherd HAD done...BUT HE WAS TAKING US BACKWARDS oh dear. The board appoint the managers. Not ONE person. The major shareholders simply don't let a single other person make the most important decision on their own. How many times does this need to be said ? The Halls and Shepherd appointed the managers, between 1992 and 2007. That is Keegan, Dalglish, Gullit, Robson, Souness, Roeder and Allardyce. Understand ? And - in my opinion the ex board understood that to reach the champions league positions, that you need to back their managers, and punch the weight of the club with the 2nd biggest [now 3rd] crowd [and the fanbase to go with it] in the country. They had showed they understood this by actuallly capitalising on it. So why would they not have done it again ? As Chez Given says, all you are spouting is blind optimism that Ashley will match it. He's done nothing or even said anything to give you such optimism, and are using personal dislike to taint your judgement. I've said my piece, and sadly the only thing that will change my mind is Ashley himself, if he starts backing his manager and showing he has the desire to succeed. Is this easy enough to understand ? I dont understand where you get this view that people on this forum are completely pro Ashley and anti shepherd as though they go hand in hand - from my point of view - i see alot of people who seem cautiously optimisitic about the unknown, it just seems like there is an antagonistic minority who seem to belive that being cautiously optimisitc about the new board and being correctly pessimistic about tabloid stories infers that you are automatically anti shepherd and pro Ashley. NE5, serious question here, im not going into the reasons why they didnt sign becasue it's a grey area i know we would never agree on, but had we signed Modric and Woodgate (the only 2 targets we 100% certain of approaching) then what would be your view on Ashley's ambition? A rough calculation would put that and approximately £25m, would that not be a good enough indication of his ambitions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Nobody in their right mind could argue that we've been anything better than mediocre since Shepherd sacked Bobby. Compared to what? In terms of the level of football at which we are competing, or attempting to compete. Obviously, in terms of the Champions League, we are worse than mediocre. Compared to Blyth Spartans, though, we're pretty good. So not compared to the Premier League then? Au contraire. I said in terms of the level of football at which we are competing -- that certainly includes the Premier League. So competing as an 'average' Premier league side this year and finishing 7th would be a 'mediocre' season? In the period under discussion it was our best finish by some considerable distance -- our only one in the top half of the table -- and it wasn't good enough to qualify for the UEFA. Yep, that's certainly a picture of mediocrity in the post-Bobby years. You said we'd never been better than mediocre and finishing 7th this year would be more than that. You cant have it both ways i'm afraid. My apologies. I read your post too quickly and took it as referring to our 7th place finish under Roeder -- highlight of the last five years. To answer your question properly, I'd say a 7th place finish next season would be good in terms of our recent league placings, but still mediocre in the wider scheme of things. It represents nothing better than the upper end of mid-table. Well here's hoping for mediocrity at the end of this coming season then. For the upper end of mediocrity, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Does anyone wonder if Nicko was right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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