johnnypd Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 mascherano is a bit of a monster iyam, very strong, imposing and a non stop runner. at this stage of development, i see guthrie as more of a scholes (without the goals) or emre type, lots of short and first time passes, darting around markers, nice touches and turns and so on, but im not sure he'll develop further in that direction. i dont think you can pin him down to one role or another, if he finds a niche he will do so naturally a couple of years down the line rather than have it imposed on him now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 mascherano is a bit of a monster iyam, very strong, imposing and a non stop runner. at this stage of development, i see guthrie as more of a scholes (without the goals) or emre type, lots of short and first time passes, darting around markers, nice touches and turns and so on, but im not sure he'll develop further in that direction. i dont think you can pin him down to one role or another, if he finds a niche he will do so naturally a couple of years down the line rather than have it imposed on him now. Just goes to show how subjective football actually is, we both see completely different types of players in the same person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Ashley needs to break the bank for Lassana Diarra if he really is available in January. Get in early and offer him big wages to sign before the CL clubs bother stumping up the cash. Makes my mouth water at the thought of him and Guthrie in our central midfield - we wouldn't know the meaning of being sloppy or pushovers in the centre of the park with those two there. Right now, it'd be one of the better central midfields outside the top four. In a few years time, it could easily be the best outside the top four. Well worth the £10-15m asking price Pompey have supposedly set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Ashley needs to break the bank for Lassana Diarra if he really is available in January. Get in early and offer him big wages to sign before the CL clubs bother stumping up the cash. Makes my mouth water at the thought of him and Guthrie in our central midfield - we wouldn't know the meaning of being sloppy or pushovers in the centre of the park with those two there. Right now, it'd be one of the better central midfields outside the top four. In a few years time, it could easily be the best outside the top four. Well worth the £10-15m asking price Pompey have supposedly set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 He'll go to Spurs, I would have suggested Huddlestone if they bought Diarra but Harry seems to like him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Diarra's going to Madrid isn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edd Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Diarra's going to Madrid isn't he? Done deal for silly money according to Sky Sports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Diarra's going to Madrid isn't he? Done deal for silly money according to Sky Sports. Aye, our government bails out the banks, the Spanish government bail out Madrid when they overspend. I'd be really pissed if I supported Barca. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. If we kept Sam Allardyce yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Much difference between this and when we sold Woodgate after just 18 months here for a 50% profit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Much difference between this and when we sold Woodgate after just 18 months here for a 50% profit? Quite a lot yes. Woodgate's injury record being the main difference as to why the deal was too good to turn down around the time. Plus we were more ambitious than Portsmouth at the time, we never really needed to sell Woodgate. So yes, I'd say there was quite a lot really. Although I never ever actually said there was any comparison needed so not sure why you feel the need to even suggest there was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Have we actually sold on any of our recent signings for a ridiculous amount, or is this just an urban myth put about by UV & associates? Please don't say Milner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. If we kept Sam Allardyce yes. And stumped up the reported 90k he was demanding.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. If we kept Sam Allardyce yes. And stumped up the reported 90k he was demanding.... Wasn't he only demanding that simply because we had no manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. If we kept Sam Allardyce yes. And stumped up the reported 90k he was demanding.... Wasn't he only demanding that simply because we had no manager? Is that right? Cant say i remember it too well to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Eh? Titus Bramble Released ... £4.5m loss Craig Moore Released ... £0 Oguchi Onyewu Released ... £0 Olivier Bernard Released ... £0 Pavel Srnicek Released ... £0 Antoine Sibierski Released ... £200k loss Scott Parker £7,000,000 ... £1m profit Alan O’Brien Released ... £0 Kieron Dyer £7,000,000 £1m profit Paul Huntington £250,000 ... £250k profit Albert Luque Undisclosed Fee ... ? Nolberto Solano Free ... £1.5m loss Stephen Carr Released ... £2m loss Peter Ramage Released ... £0 James Troisi Released ... £0 Lamine Diatta Released ... £0 David Rozehnal £2.9m ... £0 Belozoglu Emre £3.5m ... £0 Abdoulaye Faye £2.25m ... £0 James Milner £12m ... £7m profit So of all the player that have left the club we've made summat like £2m-ish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Eh? Titus Bramble Released ... £4.5m loss Craig Moore Released ... £0 Oguchi Onyewu Released ... £0 Olivier Bernard Released ... £0 Pavel Srnicek Released ... £0 Antoine Sibierski Released ... £200k loss Scott Parker £7,000,000 ... £1m profit Alan OBrien Released ... £0 Kieron Dyer £7,000,000 £1m profit Paul Huntington £250,000 ... £250k profit Albert Luque Undisclosed Fee ... ? Nolberto Solano Free ... £1.5m loss Stephen Carr Released ... £2m loss Peter Ramage Released ... £0 James Troisi Released ... £0 Lamine Diatta Released ... £0 David Rozehnal £2.9m ... £0 Belozoglu Emre £3.5m ... £0 Abdoulaye Faye £2.25m ... £0 James Milner £12m ... £7m profit So of all the player that have left the club we've made summat like £2m-ish. Sign them up with re-sale value, then sell them on for a profit. Much like what Spurs have done. That's what I feel the club are trying to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Eh? Titus Bramble Released ... £4.5m loss Craig Moore Released ... £0 Oguchi Onyewu Released ... £0 Olivier Bernard Released ... £0 Pavel Srnicek Released ... £0 Antoine Sibierski Released ... £200k loss Scott Parker £7,000,000 ... £1m profit Alan O’Brien Released ... £0 Kieron Dyer £7,000,000 £1m profit Paul Huntington £250,000 ... £250k profit Albert Luque Undisclosed Fee ... ? Nolberto Solano Free ... £1.5m loss Stephen Carr Released ... £2m loss Peter Ramage Released ... £0 James Troisi Released ... £0 Lamine Diatta Released ... £0 David Rozehnal £2.9m ... £0 Belozoglu Emre £3.5m ... £0 Abdoulaye Faye £2.25m ... £0 James Milner £12m ... £7m profit So of all the player that have left the club we've made summat like £2m-ish. Sign them up with re-sale value, then sell them on for a profit. Much like what Spurs have done. That's what I feel the club are trying to do. I can only think of 4, maybe 5 clubs in the entire world whose players dont have a price. Having said that i think you might be right about the Spurs thing, the only thing is that i dont think we'd be a club looking to sell but would sell for the right deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Eh? Titus Bramble Released ... £4.5m loss Craig Moore Released ... £0 Oguchi Onyewu Released ... £0 Olivier Bernard Released ... £0 Pavel Srnicek Released ... £0 Antoine Sibierski Released ... £200k loss Scott Parker £7,000,000 ... £1m profit Alan OBrien Released ... £0 Kieron Dyer £7,000,000 £1m profit Paul Huntington £250,000 ... £250k profit Albert Luque Undisclosed Fee ... ? Nolberto Solano Free ... £1.5m loss Stephen Carr Released ... £2m loss Peter Ramage Released ... £0 James Troisi Released ... £0 Lamine Diatta Released ... £0 David Rozehnal £2.9m ... £0 Belozoglu Emre £3.5m ... £0 Abdoulaye Faye £2.25m ... £0 James Milner £12m ... £7m profit So of all the player that have left the club we've made summat like £2m-ish. Sign them up with re-sale value, then sell them on for a profit. Much like what Spurs have done. That's what I feel the club are trying to do. I can only think of 4, maybe 5 clubs in the entire world whose players dont have a price. Having said that i think you might be right about the Spurs thing, the only thing is that i dont think we'd be a club looking to sell but would sell for the right deal. I've got nothing against going for young players whose value can go up of course, but the ambition is to keep them and not sell them on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Eh? Titus Bramble Released ... £4.5m loss Craig Moore Released ... £0 Oguchi Onyewu Released ... £0 Olivier Bernard Released ... £0 Pavel Srnicek Released ... £0 Antoine Sibierski Released ... £200k loss Scott Parker £7,000,000 ... £1m profit Alan OBrien Released ... £0 Kieron Dyer £7,000,000 £1m profit Paul Huntington £250,000 ... £250k profit Albert Luque Undisclosed Fee ... ? Nolberto Solano Free ... £1.5m loss Stephen Carr Released ... £2m loss Peter Ramage Released ... £0 James Troisi Released ... £0 Lamine Diatta Released ... £0 David Rozehnal £2.9m ... £0 Belozoglu Emre £3.5m ... £0 Abdoulaye Faye £2.25m ... £0 James Milner £12m ... £7m profit So of all the player that have left the club we've made summat like £2m-ish. Sign them up with re-sale value, then sell them on for a profit. Much like what Spurs have done. That's what I feel the club are trying to do. I can only think of 4, maybe 5 clubs in the entire world whose players dont have a price. Having said that i think you might be right about the Spurs thing, the only thing is that i dont think we'd be a club looking to sell but would sell for the right deal. Which players did Spurs sell willingly? Robbie Keane for £20m to Liverpool? That was daylight robbery, I'll bet most Liverpool fans would rather have the money back. Berbatov refused to stay, he wasn't sold through choice or to make a profit. I don't see anything devious or miserly in those deals which is what you are implying, in fact Spurs have spent big on top players like Bentley and Modric which is hardly penny-pinching behaviour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Eh? Titus Bramble Released ... £4.5m loss Craig Moore Released ... £0 Oguchi Onyewu Released ... £0 Olivier Bernard Released ... £0 Pavel Srnicek Released ... £0 Antoine Sibierski Released ... £200k loss Scott Parker £7,000,000 ... £1m profit Alan O’Brien Released ... £0 Kieron Dyer £7,000,000 £1m profit Paul Huntington £250,000 ... £250k profit Albert Luque Undisclosed Fee ... ? Nolberto Solano Free ... £1.5m loss Stephen Carr Released ... £2m loss Peter Ramage Released ... £0 James Troisi Released ... £0 Lamine Diatta Released ... £0 David Rozehnal £2.9m ... £0 Belozoglu Emre £3.5m ... £0 Abdoulaye Faye £2.25m ... £0 James Milner £12m ... £7m profit So of all the player that have left the club we've made summat like £2m-ish. Sign them up with re-sale value, then sell them on for a profit. Much like what Spurs have done. That's what I feel the club are trying to do. I can only think of 4, maybe 5 clubs in the entire world whose players dont have a price. Having said that i think you might be right about the Spurs thing, the only thing is that i dont think we'd be a club looking to sell but would sell for the right deal. I've got nothing against going for young players whose value can go up of course, but the ambition is to keep them and not sell them on. Most clubs struggle to keep their young players when the big 4 come calling, not because they want to cash in on them but the players make it difficult to keep them, when that's the case the only real option for the selling club is to screw as much money as they possibly can out of the buying club. The only players I can think that Spurs have sold on for a big profit were Keane, Berbatov and Carrick, all 3 made it clear they wanted to move on so Spurs held out for as much as they could. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 We could have had him. Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Eh? Titus Bramble Released ... £4.5m loss Craig Moore Released ... £0 Oguchi Onyewu Released ... £0 Olivier Bernard Released ... £0 Pavel Srnicek Released ... £0 Antoine Sibierski Released ... £200k loss Scott Parker £7,000,000 ... £1m profit Alan O’Brien Released ... £0 Kieron Dyer £7,000,000 £1m profit Paul Huntington £250,000 ... £250k profit Albert Luque Undisclosed Fee ... ? Nolberto Solano Free ... £1.5m loss Stephen Carr Released ... £2m loss Peter Ramage Released ... £0 James Troisi Released ... £0 Lamine Diatta Released ... £0 David Rozehnal £2.9m ... £0 Belozoglu Emre £3.5m ... £0 Abdoulaye Faye £2.25m ... £0 James Milner £12m ... £7m profit So of all the player that have left the club we've made summat like £2m-ish. Sign them up with re-sale value, then sell them on for a profit. Much like what Spurs have done. That's what I feel the club are trying to do. I can only think of 4, maybe 5 clubs in the entire world whose players dont have a price. Having said that i think you might be right about the Spurs thing, the only thing is that i dont think we'd be a club looking to sell but would sell for the right deal. I've got nothing against going for young players whose value can go up of course, but the ambition is to keep them and not sell them on. Agreed. Unless a player wants to go id be wary of selling them, unless of course the deal IS ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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