Kaizero Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Well unfortunately its not all about defending is it? This tournament has showed fullback going forward alot in Ramos, Lahm and Zhirkov and not only defending. If Germany had played a better defender there tonight, Spain might not have scored. If Lahm had went after Torres' knee the world would be a happier place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Pletikosa (lol) Pepe Marchena Chiellini Senna Snjider Arshavin Fabregas Turan Pavulchenko (lol) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 I don't know why people think that the Prem is miles ahead of La liga. Ramos at right back would walk in to most prem teams, top class player. I reckon I could name ten right backs who are better defenders than Ramos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Villa Sneijder Arshavin Ballack Xavi Senna Zhirkov Puyol Marchena Altintop Casillas Subs: Turan Pepe Schweinsteiger Pavlyuchenko Srna Aurelio Buffon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Buffon Anyukov Mertesacker Puyol Zhirkov Xavi Senna Sneijder Ballack Arshavin Villa Coach: Guus Hiddink This team would fly the Turkish flag, despite the fact that I couldn't find any space to put actual Turkish players in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 I don't know why people think that the Prem is miles ahead of La liga. Ramos at right back would walk in to most prem teams, top class player. La Liga is miles ahead of the Premiership, if anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 I don't know why people think that the Prem is miles ahead of La liga. Ramos at right back would walk in to most prem teams, top class player. Not yet,and certainly not at right back-quality centre half in the making though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Sagna Corluka G. Neville Beye Brown Jagielka Zambrotta Sagnol Anyukov Miguel Hutton all better right backs than Ramos. I'm sure there are plenty more that slip my mind this time of night... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Sagna Corluka G. Neville Beye Brown Jagielka Zambrotta Sagnol Anyukov Miguel Hutton all better right backs than Ramos. I'm sure there are plenty more that slip my mind this time of night... umm... no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Yea some of them are others I disagree. He is a decent defender not the best but going forward he is really good. Put it this way your not going to play week in week out for Real Madrid if your shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Sagna Corluka G. Neville Beye Brown Jagielka Zambrotta Sagnol Anyukov Miguel Hutton all better right backs than Ramos. I'm sure there are plenty more that slip my mind this time of night... You are really under-rating Ramos. I'm not sure what you've got against him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Yea some of them are others I disagree. He is a decent defender not the best but going forward he is really good. Put it this way your not going to play week in week out for Real Madrid if your shit. I'd say it was the other way around. Good going forwards, but error-ridden defensively. Would be cut to pieces in the Premier League. Same for Bosingwa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Casillas Zhirkov Zan Puyol Behrami Arda Senna Xavi Arshavin Villa Podolski Bench Buffon Schweinsteiger Tuncay Fabregas Pepe Robben Nihat Ballack Player of the Tournament: Arshavin Goat: Gomez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Although no one disagrees he's better than Carr................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Yea some of them are others I disagree. He is a decent defender not the best but going forward he is really good. Put it this way your not going to play week in week out for Real Madrid if your shit. I'd say it was the other way around. Good going forwards, but error-ridden defensively. Would be cut to pieces in the Premier League. Same for Bosingwa. how often do you watch him for Madrid? i'd say he's like Micah Richards in that his decision making can be off but he has immense recovery speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Defensively I would compare him to Micah Richards in terms of excellent potential marred by making the bad decisions, but getting away with it thanks to his physical ability and by being in a good team. Going forwards he is second to none, but I like defenders you can bet your house on not letting you down, and Ramos is not one of those defenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Yea some of them are others I disagree. He is a decent defender not the best but going forward he is really good. Put it this way your not going to play week in week out for Real Madrid if your shit. I'd say it was the other way around. Good going forwards, but error-ridden defensively. Would be cut to pieces in the Premier League. Same for Bosingwa. how often do you watch him for Madrid? i'd say he's like Micah Richards in that his decision making can be off but he has immense recovery speed. Don't have regular access to La Liga coverage so can only go on what I have seen in the internationals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Well having crap defenders makes it all more exciting, all we want is GOALS ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 I don't know why people think that the Prem is miles ahead of La liga. Ramos at right back would walk in to most prem teams, top class player. I reckon I could name ten right backs who are better defenders than Ramos. Agreed. I can't see how he plays in that position for Real Madrid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 He does occasionally.Metzelder and Cannavaro first choice centre backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 No Metzelder - but Pepe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Anyukov is the same type of player as Ramos from what I've seen so I don't know how he can be seen as a more defensive option. Casillas Ramos Puyol Marchena Capdevila Senna Xavi Arshavin Schwein Silva Villa So yeah basically Spain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Sagna Beye all better right backs than Ramos. I'm sure there are plenty more that slip my mind this time of night... And thats blinded by my own bias Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Ramos is a good defender when he's in a defensive mindset if that makes any sense. Like for Madrid he spends a lot of time pretending to be a Zidane/Beckham/Ronaldinho. Trying plenty of tricks and always looking for a hollywood 40 yard pass. He's most likely to make a mistake when he has no pressure or his team is coasting it a bit. When his team looks vulnerable whether it be for Madrid or Spain he steps it up. Suddenly becomes stronger, more aggressive, closes down crosses, uses his pace to harass attackers and is very good in the air. It's just that sometimes he's a bit of a fairy. Certainly knows hows to defend unlike what i've seen from Bosingwa. Ramos has had a good tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1977 Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 --------------------------------- Villa ------------------------------- Sneijder ------------------ Arshavin -------------------- Altintop ------------------------ Senna ----- Modric ----------------------- Zhirkov --------------- Pepe ----- Marchena --------- Corluka ------------------------------ Casillas ------------------------------ squad: Buffon, Boruc, Ramos, Kolodin, Chiellini, Pranjic, Inler, Xavi, Sionko, Robben, Podolski, Pavlyuchenko coach: Fatih Terim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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