Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Pardew is spot on with what he said we all think it about Ranger BUT the stpuid c*** of a manager should be saying it to Nile in a one on one conversation and not to the fkn press. yep He already has? yes. but he doesn´t have to go too the media as well. definitely more than once in two weeks time. Its already been discussed, only a few pages back, why this might have happened. I personally don't see the issue with it, if he's spoken to the player in private, and asked team mates to do the same, and the player STILL hasn't listened. What else can he do? Don't think I've ever seen Fergie or Wenger or Mourinho questioning one of their own players in public. Have you? Wat /dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 That's because they're good managers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Wenger made similar comments about Pennant when he was at Arsenal. Wenger said: "I hope he'll learn from this as you can understand that young boys make mistakes. But if they don't learn, there's no future for them. Some players who appeared for England against Turkey have made mistakes in the past but they have learned from them. His future is down to him now. "The biggest part of success until 20 is how much talent you have and, after 20, it's how much you want it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Pardew is spot on with what he said we all think it about Ranger BUT the stpuid c*** of a manager should be saying it to Nile in a one on one conversation and not to the fkn press. yep He already has? yes. but he doesn´t have to go too the media as well. definitely more than once in two weeks time. Its already been discussed, only a few pages back, why this might have happened. I personally don't see the issue with it, if he's spoken to the player in private, and asked team mates to do the same, and the player STILL hasn't listened. What else can he do? Don't think I've ever seen Fergie or Wenger or Mourinho questioning one of their own players in public. Have you? That crowd are ripping other clubs, refs, players & other managers they have hardly got time to talk about there own players. Jose used to have pop at Joe Cole & Mutu iirc. Wasn't Fergie questioning Rooney not so long ago? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Fair comments from Pardew. If it was Hughton making the comments nobody would have a problem. Has to be said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 His attitude has already ruined his career in Southampton - and I'm not really surprised if his does it once again here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I think Jose used to publically hammer Balotelli on virtually a weekly basis. He slapped Joe Cole down in public too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I don't have much of a problem with what Pardew's said as long as he genuinely has tried everything else in-house first. And if he's even asked Carroll to talk to him then I would expect he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 There are so many problem players that no decent managers will touch. Cantona for example, or Roy Keane. Then there's Le Sulk Nicolas Anelka. The best managers like Howard Wilkinson bomb out these trouble makers like he did so sensibly with Cantona. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 IF it works then fair enough, Pardew will get the credit for it, its just not something I like to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Trouble makers are worthwhile if they have the talent. Cantona clearly did. Ranger's showed nothing yet other than some small promising signs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Trouble makers are worthwhile if they have the talent. Cantona clearly did. Ranger's showed nothing yet other than some small promising signs. Fergie dumped Roy Keane when his tank was empty & his legs had gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Fair comments from Pardew. If it was Hughton making the comments nobody would have a problem. Has to be said. difference in personality though - you know something massive would have to happen for hughton to say something like that as he is usually so reticent, and barely said anything about even carroll's reoccuring misdemeanours. Whereas pardew will talk at length about anything you want, any player linked in the press and so on, so you sense his words are cheaper. i don't have a problem with a manager saying something like this but you have to be pragmatic. it should only be something of a last resort (ie wenger with pennant) but if it produces better performances than it will have worked. I would however question whether this kind of strategy works best with Ranger. To me Ranger has improved - from being too scared to take risks or get into goal positions last year, he is now getting into good positions but wasting them. this is natural and he should be allowed to make these mistakes (ideally on loan) without being put under extra scrutiny and extra pressure. as a young player a manager to an extent should be deflecting attention, not heaping more upon him. Ranger has shown a lack of composure/nerves in front of goal and Pardew criticising him probably won't do anything to help this. after all his form seems to have dipped since pardew came out and criticised him in public. so far, pardew's strategy hasn't worked, but the long term is more important in this case. ultimately it might be a case that ranger won't change and the manager can't really do anything about that, but it's too early to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Indeed. Keane had retained the gobbiness but wasn't contributing on the field. Jettisoned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Trouble makers are worthwhile if they have the talent. Cantona clearly did. Ranger's showed nothing yet other than some small promising signs. tbf pardew's not really said he's a trouble maker, just that he is too relaxed in training and needs more dedication. carroll or barton, keane or cantona are more the archetypal "trouble makers" but i think all of those have/had a fantastic attitude to training and preparation. Cantona even used to hold his own training sessions with the young kids (beckham, butt, scholes etc) after fergie's training finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Trouble makers are worthwhile if they have the talent. Cantona clearly did. Ranger's showed nothing yet other than some small promising signs. I'm not saying Pardew is wrong in this, just that based on his decision making so far I don't trust his judgement yet. If Ranger's a cock then there's enough evidence to suggest that Pardew is just as big a one but without the excuse of being a teenager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 We all know he thinks he has made it see's himself as a star, needs a wake up call am just not sure the press is the way to give him that wake up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I don't see the need to go to the press but i actually agree with Pardew. He certainly has the potential to become a good player it's just whether he knuckles down or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Just show him where Wesley Ngo Baheng is at right now which highlights how quick things can change http://www.theshots.co.uk/PlayerDisplay.ink?skip=14&season=10/11&squadno=11095&seasonl=2010/2011&Playertype=P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 They even have similar expressions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Just show him where Wesley Ngo Baheng is at right now which highlights how quick things can change http://www.theshots.co.uk/PlayerDisplay.ink?skip=14&season=10/11&squadno=11095&seasonl=2010/2011&Playertype=P Where's he at now. Aldershot or somewhere like that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Away from football, Wesley is known in the world of rap music recording as 'F.I.K'ass'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Why? He's more or less telling everyone Rangers on his last chance. He has the talent but is going to f*** it up with his s*** attitude. If players like Carroll have already had to have words wih him then I think this is the pre cursor to him being peddled. And when he does go we'll all know why. Pardew should shut his mouth because he's creating a problem. For the last couple of weeks people have been banging on about how Ranger is always late for training and is shit when he does turn, this was because of comments from Pardew. Pardew has now confirmed that he's not always late and is OK in training but he (Pardew) wants more. When Pardew came here Ranger was a promising player who was capable of coming off the bench and changing games. Now, or at least for the last two games he's become totally ineffective and that has happened while players who have made no impact have moved ahead of him. Pardew has the same man-management style of Souness when complaining about James Milner who was playing well at the time. The manager is the second coming of Souness, he’s clueless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Just show him where Wesley Ngo Baheng is at right now which highlights how quick things can change http://www.theshots.co.uk/PlayerDisplay.ink?skip=14&season=10/11&squadno=11095&seasonl=2010/2011&Playertype=P Where's he at now. Aldershot or somewhere like that? Aye the link takes you to his Shots profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Away from football, Wesley is known in the world of rap music recording as 'F.I.K'ass'. Here is a music video F-ikass made while in Newcastle. Is that Nile @ 02:08 in whit tracksuit top? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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