Nile Ranger

[Frazzle]

I'm talking about behaviour that directly relates to his on-field performance.

 

Feel free to expand on this

 

It can't be that hard to work out.  If you can't work it out in a few days I'll just post a picture from a TV show to support my argument.

[Thespence]

I'm talking about behaviour that directly relates to his on-field performance.

 

Feel free to expand on this

 

It can't be that hard to work out.  If you can't work it out in a few days I'll just post a picture from a TV show to support my argument.

 

Don't take the huff.

[buzza]

Love the new title by the way...hahahaha

[9]

hes probs on a lowish paid contract and is young, thats what the club wants now so to bin him off shows there must be a lot of good reasons to do so.

 

would be frustrating to see him move on and settle down and do well but think its quick clear thats never going to happen at this club/city.

[colinmk]

look at what the Preston loan did to Carroll.

 

AC was s**** for Preston. He was poor in the 1st half the Championship season as he was scud like but then the 2nd half the season his shots on target improved dramatically & along came the goals.

 

 

 

Aye. Stupid post.

 

"Stupid post" ? My point was simple. when he was at preston he played pretty poor and even had problems with the coaching staff iirc, but it helped open his eyes and when he came back from his loan he came back a better player for us..he learned from his spell out and started improving as a player. same could happen to Ranger.

 

It wasn't a stupid post at all. It quite clearly did him some good. Ronaldo ain't the sharpest on here.

[Ronaldo]

Where is your evidence it did him some good? You have none. Carroll improved as a player because he got games when we dropped down a division. The Carroll at the start and end of that season were like two completely different strikers. Nowt to do with Preston North End.

[ponsaelius]

Carroll was just as shit when he came back from his Preston loan as beforehand. He barely played, was rubbish when he did and overall the loan to Championship football came too early. Really he should have been being loaned out when he was 21, ultimately he didn't need to be because we were relegated and then had to rely on him.

 

It was the drop down in division and entire season of games at that age which turned him into the player he is now.

[thenige]

Where is your evidence it did him some good? You have none. Carroll improved as a player because he got games when we dropped down a division. The Carroll at the start and end of that season were like two completely different strikers. Nowt to do with Preston North End.

 

Yeah it is an assumption, but surely if a player goes and plays first team football in a competitive league then it'll will do him good rather than playing youth/reserve team football? I'd be very surprised if the Preston loan spell didn't do him any good, even if the only thing he did realise was that he perhaps wasn't as good as he thought he was and it helped him knuckle down. How many people actually saw him play at PNE, and how many just look at his goal record there and state "he was crap?"

[ponsaelius]

Preston fans reckon he was dire there. I remember because I checked their forum after he moved to Liverpool.

 

 

[wormy]

I don't think we can truly point to a single moment and say that's what improved Carroll. We dropped down, he applied himself, and reaped the rewards. It's worth chucking Ranger out on loan purely to give him the games, as he isn't going to get them here. And there's no point leaving him to rot here. But no one can say whether it'll do him the world of good. It's down to Ranger to get his head down and apply himself, and hope that he gets the chance to shine and takes it with both hands. No one expected Carroll's rise, it was a strange and very quick occurance. I don't personally see how we can use him as a benchmark for a player's development.

[Frazzle]

As wormy says its hard to point to a single moment that changed Carroll.  He went to Preston without a PL goal and came back and a season later had 3 in about 5 starts.

 

Obviously hundreds of factors come into play but I'm sure dropping down a division, getting roughed up and having to play under more pressure than with the reserves would have helped him at least a little.

 

As this whole thread is about Ranger I don't see how sending Ranger out for the same would be a bad thing in any way, shape or form.

[Zero]

Carroll is a difficult case.  You have to make all your game plan base on Carroll's ability to make the full use of him.  If you just put him into your squad and hope he can fit in himself well, most likely it would be a disaster.  That's what I observed so far.

[colinmk]

Where is your evidence it did him some good? You have none. Carroll improved as a player because he got games when we dropped down a division. The Carroll at the start and end of that season were like two completely different strikers. Nowt to do with Preston North End.

 

As far as I am concerned first team experience is vital to youngsters and cannot fail to do them some good. Even if he played shite, the experience is vital.

[Thespence]

AC said

“My time at Preston was up and down,” “I didn’t play as many games as I wanted (11) and only scored one goal but it was good experience to be round the first team at 18. Being with the squad was good experience for me.”

 

“It was a bit disappointing. Preston were in bit of trouble and the manager (Rob Kelly) got sacked. It was chop and change for everyone.”

 

 

[Thespence]

As this whole thread is about Ranger I don't see how sending Ranger out for the same would be a bad thing in any way, shape or form.

 

If he is out loan it could prove harder for Pards to dump him

[Frazzle]

As this whole thread is about Ranger I don't see how sending Ranger out for the same would be a bad thing in any way, shape or form.

 

If he is out loan it could prove harder for Pards to dump him

 

Hows that?

 

As for the Carroll quotes, he confirms he it was a good experience then?

[Thespence]

As this whole thread is about Ranger I don't see how sending Ranger out for the same would be a bad thing in any way, shape or form.

 

If he is out loan it could prove harder for Pards to dump him

 

Hows that?

 

As for the Carroll quotes, he confirms he it was a good experience then?

 

If he signs a 3 month loan deal a club wont be able snap him up until Jan. There seems a few clubs willing to buy Nile so may as well not bother with a loan deal.

 

Likewise he says "It was a bit disappointing"

[Frazzle]

As this whole thread is about Ranger I don't see how sending Ranger out for the same would be a bad thing in any way, shape or form.

 

If he is out loan it could prove harder for Pards to dump him

 

Hows that?

 

As for the Carroll quotes, he confirms he it was a good experience then?

 

If he signs a 3 month loan deal a club wont be able snap him up until Jan. There seems a few clubs willing to buy Nile so may as well not bother with a loan deal.

 

Likewise he says "It was a bit disappointing"

 

Fair point.  Especially if the club want rid asap as well.

[Theregulars]

Stupid decision, honour your long-term commitment to a young talent. If he has issues, work through them. Disagree with any assertion that he's crap, he's got the raw abilities to turn into a decent player.

[TherealnorthernTOON]

Might just be a mindtrick to bust his world up. Before they build him back together as a new person.

[Shak]

Stupid decision, honour your long-term commitment to a young talent. If he has issues, work through them. Disagree with any assertion that he's crap, he's got the raw abilities to turn into a decent player.

 

He probably could be a decent player in time, but his attitude off the field seems to be piss poor by all accounts and he also seems a complete and utter tit who's more interested in being all straight G yo than he is in improving himself as a footballer (as evidenced by the fact that he hasn't improved at all as a footballer since he got here).

 

Not only does this shit attitude really hinder any potential development, but it's also a very negative presence at the club.

 

If he was some sort of special talent then maybe you put up with it, but he's not so the negatives of having him around outweigh the potential gain IMO.

[Guest WashyGeordie]

Stupid decision, honour your long-term commitment to a young talent. If he has issues, work through them. Disagree with any assertion that he's crap, he's got the raw abilities to turn into a decent player.

 

Sammeobi is the new, erm... Ameobi.

[Guest BooBoo]

Agree with Shak. In the words of Silvio Dante, "all things considered, there's nothing to be gained by keeping him around."

[Theregulars]

Stupid decision, honour your long-term commitment to a young talent. If he has issues, work through them. Disagree with any assertion that he's crap, he's got the raw abilities to turn into a decent player.

 

He probably could be a decent player in time, but his attitude off the field seems to be p*ss poor by all accounts and he also seems a complete and utter tit who's more interested in being all straight G yo than he is in improving himself as a footballer (as evidenced by the fact that he hasn't improved at all as a footballer since he got here).

 

Not only does this s*** attitude really hinder any potential development, but it's also a very negative presence at the club.

 

If he was some sort of special talent then maybe you put up with it, but he's not so the negatives of having him around outweigh the potential gain IMO.

 

I can see your point, especially when our revival has been built around good team spirit and attitude - but do you not think with a commitment that long we must have seen something worthwhile in him? I just think that, instead of ditching him, try and work through his attitude problems for a while and see if we can sort him out. I've no idea why he behaves like such a dickpole, but perhaps it's something deeper-lying than just being a rudeboy, perhaps he has some genuine attitude issue (wasn't he in prison or something) that maybe could be worked through, and thereafter a real decent player could be found? I'm just not one for giving up on players really easily. We should exhaust all avenues - either try and give him some mental help if he needs it, send him out on loan to see what kind of job he could do in the Championship, something like that. Just binning him because he behaves like a tit isn't progressive. As someone pointed out earlier, a scare tactic would be a great thing in my opinion, but I doubt Pardew is genuinely that forward-thinking.

 

By the way this doesn't mean I think binning Smith is bad. I would actually physically put Smith in a bin and push him down Barrack Road, sausage roll styleeee.

[Dave]

Millwall want him according to the Chronicle, but won't pay £1m.