Cajun Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Championship player tbh. Goal yesterday looked good but in reality it was a deflected effort He is an average premiership player looking good in a good 'team of the moment' team He will unfortunately piss all over our entire midfield at the end of the season in regards to goals and assists. I never claimed he was anything more than a good young player, I am sure some people will be near bursting point at the end of the season from the amount of humble pie they will have consumed (thats not aimed at you btw). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Championship player tbh. Goal yesterday looked good but in reality it was a deflected effort He is an average premiership player looking good in a good 'team of the moment' team He will unfortunately piss all over our entire midfield at the end of the season in regards to goals and assists. Just for the record, Duff has scored more than Milner in the league this season, and Ameobi has only one assist fewer than Milner & Ronaldo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Championship player tbh. Goal yesterday looked good but in reality it was a deflected effort He is an average premiership player looking good in a good 'team of the moment' team He will unfortunately piss all over our entire midfield at the end of the season in regards to goals and assists. I never claimed he was anything more than a good young player, I am sure some people will be near bursting point at the end of the season from the amount of humble pie they will have consumed (thats not aimed at you btw). I doubt it. The number of goals he's scored which are mis-hits or flukes is unreal. Milner always had ability but I still don't think he's going to make the most of it, much the same way Jenas hasn't. If he does good luck to him, he never produced enough at Newcastle regardless of what he does at Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edd Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Still not good enough for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Championship player tbh. Goal yesterday looked good but in reality it was a deflected effort He is an average premiership player looking good in a good 'team of the moment' team He will unfortunately piss all over our entire midfield at the end of the season in regards to goals and assists. I never claimed he was anything more than a good young player, I am sure some people will be near bursting point at the end of the season from the amount of humble pie they will have consumed (thats not aimed at you btw). I doubt it. The number of goals he's scored which are mis-hits or flukes is unreal. Milner always had ability but I still don't think he's going to make the most of it, much the same way Jenas hasn't. If he does good luck to him, he never produced enough at Newcastle regardless of what he does at Villa. good comparison tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Championship player tbh. Goal yesterday looked good but in reality it was a deflected effort He is an average premiership player looking good in a good 'team of the moment' team He will unfortunately piss all over our entire midfield at the end of the season in regards to goals and assists. Just for the record, Duff has scored more than Milner in the league this season, and Ameobi has only one assist fewer than Milner & Ronaldo. Is that right? Bloody hell! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Assists don't really mean that much, you only get credited with an assist if you make the final ball. So when people critisize Jonas for not making many assists its a bit stupid as he is definitley involved in a lot of goals and gets the team moving forward if nothing else. Last season Ronaldo didn't have many assists, at least not compared to the amount of goals he was involved in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Assists don't really mean that much, you only get credited with an assist if you make the final ball. So when people critisize Jonas for not making many assists its a bit stupid as he is definitley involved in a lot of goals and gets the team moving forward if nothing else. Last season Ronaldo didn't have many assists, at least not compared to the amount of goals he was involved in. Thats because he scored most of them, the season before he had loads of assists but didn't score than many. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 He's getting praise from the mainstream media now he's in the Villa team. I do always laugh when a player leaves us and within weeks or months is seen as a totally new quality player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Mongo Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I doubt it. The number of goals he's scored which are mis-hits or flukes is unreal. Milner always had ability but I still don't think he's going to make the most of it, much the same way Jenas hasn't. If he does good luck to him, he never produced enough at Newcastle regardless of what he does at Villa. He was our best player under Roeder, with 11 assists and 4 goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 He's getting praise from the mainstream media now he's in the Villa team. I do always laugh when a player leaves us and within weeks or months is seen as a totally new quality player. Ie. the Given wankfest today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Some of Milner's faults were always coachable, like his crossing for example. Milner was always going to have limited usefulness for us with such a lack of pace. And that can't be coached... He had a good shot on him and a decent cross to be fair... i've no idea why he fluffed so many tbh, when he managed to pick out some absolute pearlers every now and again. (see Luque vs Palermo, Sibierski vs Celta off the top of my head). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Mongo Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Milner's poor crossing probably had a lot to do with immobile and small strikers being marked by bigger defenders, and the poor mobility of the strikers had a lot to do with the overall mobility of the team, with no midfielder pushing forward. And of course, he never had the same understanding with Michael Owen that Geremi has; i.e., he seems to try to cross to players instead of a yard or two in front of them (a bad idea when crossing to Owen, who's small but has superb anticipation). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I doubt it. The number of goals he's scored which are mis-hits or flukes is unreal. Milner always had ability but I still don't think he's going to make the most of it, much the same way Jenas hasn't. If he does good luck to him, he never produced enough at Newcastle regardless of what he does at Villa. He was our best player under Roeder, with 11 assists and 4 goals. Something people seem to forget/ignore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Milner's poor crossing probably had a lot to do with immobile and small strikers being marked by bigger defenders, and the poor mobility of the strikers had a lot to do with the overall mobility of the team, with no midfielder pushing forward. And of course, he never had the same understanding with Michael Owen that Geremi has; i.e., he seems to try to cross to players instead of a yard or two in front of them (a bad idea when crossing to Owen, who's small but has superb anticipation). His crossing was inconsistant as Yorkie has said above but as you say it wasn't that often he had anything to aim for. Most of the times it would be Martins on his own in the box (sometimes on the edge of the 18 yard) with 4-5 defenders around him. I agree that he shouldn't have been putting crosses in with no-one in there must there wasn't really any attacking threat on its way either. He will do well at Villa and this will be put down to him playing in a better team but it will be forgotten that a few were claiming him to be a shit player and not fit for this league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I can't really judge him since he left as I only saw him on MOTD... except against us when he was poor. I think he's got potential, but I never rated him when he played for us and don't see any reason to change my mind yet. It's easy to look good when you only get seen on highlights. Playing for Villa will help him though, has he has a lot of pacy, willing players around him that can create space he never had playing in a midfield with Butt/Barton/Geremi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Some of Milner's faults were always coachable, like his crossing for example. Milner was always going to have limited usefulness for us with such a lack of pace. And that can't be coached... He had a good shot on him and a decent cross to be fair... i've no idea why he fluffed so many tbh, when he managed to pick out some absolute pearlers every now and again. (see Luque vs Palermo, Sibierski vs Celta off the top of my head). Milner's crossing was never decent when he was with us as at all. The odd exception in a shower of shite as you've mentioned above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Milner's crossing was very inconsistent - though I haven't seen any marked improvement with Jonas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Championship player tbh. Goal yesterday looked good but in reality it was a deflected effort He is an average premiership player looking good in a good 'team of the moment' team He will unfortunately piss all over our entire midfield at the end of the season in regards to goals and assists. Just for the record, Duff has scored more than Milner in the league this season, and Ameobi has only one assist fewer than Milner & Ronaldo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 The main issue still with this sale is not that we let a player of Milner's quality go. More the fact with the money we got for him we should have been able to get someone much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Championship player tbh. Goal yesterday looked good but in reality it was a deflected effort He is an average premiership player looking good in a good 'team of the moment' team He will unfortunately piss all over our entire midfield at the end of the season in regards to goals and assists. Just for the record, Duff has scored more than Milner in the league this season, and Ameobi has only one assist fewer than Milner & Ronaldo. We will see at the end of the season won't we (ignoring the fact I said midfield when Shola is a striker). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Championship player tbh. Goal yesterday looked good but in reality it was a deflected effort He is an average premiership player looking good in a good 'team of the moment' team He will unfortunately piss all over our entire midfield at the end of the season in regards to goals and assists. Just for the record, Duff has scored more than Milner in the league this season, and Ameobi has only one assist fewer than Milner & Ronaldo. We will see at the end of the season won't we (ignoring the fact I said midfield when Shola is a striker). What I find more worrying is you seem to be happy that Milner will have better stats than our own players (which I agree he will btw) so that you are proven right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Championship player tbh. Goal yesterday looked good but in reality it was a deflected effort He is an average premiership player looking good in a good 'team of the moment' team He will unfortunately piss all over our entire midfield at the end of the season in regards to goals and assists. Just for the record, Duff has scored more than Milner in the league this season, and Ameobi has only one assist fewer than Milner & Ronaldo. We will see at the end of the season won't we (ignoring the fact I said midfield when Shola is a striker). What I find more worrying is you seem to be happy that Milner will have better stats than our own players (which I agree he will btw) so that you are proven right. Not really, I will be a bit pissed off we are left with Duff on the right (if he is given preference over Taylor) because the £12m wasn't spent on a better player to replace the "championship footballer". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Milner's crossing was very inconsistent - though I haven't seen any marked improvement with Jonas. As I said earlier, I was certain John Robertson's coaching would improve Milner's play - he also was a winger without much pace, but he was instrumental in Forest's European Cup successes.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Championship player tbh. Goal yesterday looked good but in reality it was a deflected effort He is an average premiership player looking good in a good 'team of the moment' team He will unfortunately piss all over our entire midfield at the end of the season in regards to goals and assists. Just for the record, Duff has scored more than Milner in the league this season, and Ameobi has only one assist fewer than Milner & Ronaldo. We will see at the end of the season won't we (ignoring the fact I said midfield when Shola is a striker). What I find more worrying is you seem to be happy that Milner will have better stats than our own players (which I agree he will btw) so that you are proven right. Not really, I will be a bit pissed off we are left with Duff on the right (if he is given preference over Taylor) because the £12m wasn't spent on a better player to replace the "championship footballer". Which is the crux of the issue for me. We couldn't turn down that bid on the premise that the money was going to be used to bring in better players, especially as we were selling a player who is so versatile, despite me not rating him that highly. However for whatever reason this hasn't happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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