Still an Ashleyite? Who's with me?

[Shearergol]

I'm going to reserve judgement until the facts come out. Both Ashley and Keegan said there was money to spend, especially the £12m from Milner. For some reason, it wasn't spent.

 

However, this whole sorry episode has highlighted my fear when Keegan was appointed. A large number of fans will support Keegan before they support NUFC, so even if he's to blame he'll get their support. That to me is very damaging, and is exactly what fans were fearing when Shearer was linked. Yes, it's great to have someone who is so closely linked with the club, but on the other hand it's a lot harder letting them go when it's needed.

[S.S.R.]

I'm going to reserve judgement until the facts come out. Both Ashley and Keegan said there was money to spend, especially the £12m from Milner. For some reason, it wasn't spent.

 

 

 

Are we ever going to find out the truth, or a load of spin, as usual?

[Shearergol]

I'm going to reserve judgement until the facts come out. Both Ashley and Keegan said there was money to spend, especially the £12m from Milner. For some reason, it wasn't spent.

 

 

 

Are we ever going to find out the truth, or a load of spin, as usual?

 

Probably a load of spin, which means I won't "pick sides". It's for the good of the club that we support whoever stays tbh.

[TRon]

I can't really figure out why everyone is so happy about Ashley, football wise he hasn't a clue! And that's where it really matters, could someone please give me an example of a good football decision he's made?

Kept with Allardyce/failed to back him. Take your pick on that one but either way he screwed up!

Wanted to appoint Redknapp as manager.

Showed a complete lack of ambition in three transfer windows

Apointed the wrong manager for the structure he wanted. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about football would have known Keegan wouldn't be happy with the new structure!

Appointed Dennis Wise to the board, I'm sure there's much more qualified people than him who could do the job. Just think Ashley's first choice set up at the club would have been Redknapp and Wise!

Said there's money there when there blatantly isn't. Actions speak louder than words and if we had the money then it wouldn't be too difficult to get a better central midfielder than Butt or Gutherie. No point mentioning Barton as who knows when he will play again. Also with regards to the new guy they've bought, well lets see how well he does but the fact we've got him on loan says it all! Our two Central midfielder purchases this summer has been Liverpool's 8th choice central midfielder and a loan from Valencia!

 

Also with regards to the new structure, we need to bare in mind two things! It's far too early to judge the new players, even though some people already seem to think they're the bees knees!

 

Other point related to the new structure is that what we're trying to do can't be done anymore. By far the most successful club to develop young players is Arsenal and even they are now starting to struggle in recent seasons. As soon as you develop a young player one of the bigger clubs will come in for them! As a club you need to be prepared to spend big money if you want to do anything and Ashley just won't do that. Can't say I blame him as I wouldn't lay out the money either but at the same token I wouldn't have been stupid enough to have bought a football club if I wasn't prepared to do that!

 

Before this all blew up I was going to raise the issue of whether Ashley was just turning us into a feeder club. But then bidding for Modric and signing Coloccini doesn't really suggest that. I think we could have signed more players before the summer window closed but the impression I get is that Keegan only wanted players of a certain quality/players he'd heard of.

[S.S.R.]

I'm going to reserve judgement until the facts come out. Both Ashley and Keegan said there was money to spend, especially the £12m from Milner. For some reason, it wasn't spent.

 

 

 

Are we ever going to find out the truth, or a load of spin, as usual?

 

Probably a load of spin, which means I won't "pick sides". It's for the good of the club that we support whoever stays tbh.

#

 

I'm not picking sides either. What with Keegan claiming it was his choice to sell Milner, and that we were signing umpteen players.

 

Lets not forget his two versions of why he left the first time.

[macphisto]

I can't really figure out why everyone is so happy about Ashley, football wise he hasn't a clue! And that's where it really matters, could someone please give me an example of a good football decision he's made?

Kept with Allardyce/failed to back him. Take your pick on that one but either way he screwed up!

Wanted to appoint Redknapp as manager.

Showed a complete lack of ambition in three transfer windows

Apointed the wrong manager for the structure he wanted. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about football would have known Keegan wouldn't be happy with the new structure!

Appointed Dennis Wise to the board, I'm sure there's much more qualified people than him who could do the job. Just think Ashley's first choice set up at the club would have been Redknapp and Wise!

Said there's money there when there blatantly isn't. Actions speak louder than words and if we had the money then it wouldn't be too difficult to get a better central midfielder than Butt or Gutherie. No point mentioning Barton as who knows when he will play again. Also with regards to the new guy they've bought, well lets see how well he does but the fact we've got him on loan says it all! Our two Central midfielder purchases this summer has been Liverpool's 8th choice central midfielder and a loan from Valencia!

 

Also with regards to the new structure, we need to bare in mind two things! It's far too early to judge the new players, even though some people already seem to think they're the bees knees!

 

Other point related to the new structure is that what we're trying to do can't be done anymore. By far the most successful club to develop young players is Arsenal and even they are now starting to struggle in recent seasons. As soon as you develop a young player one of the bigger clubs will come in for them! As a club you need to be prepared to spend big money if you want to do anything and Ashley just won't do that. Can't say I blame him as I wouldn't lay out the money either but at the same token I wouldn't have been stupid enough to have bought a football club if I wasn't prepared to do that!

 

Before this all blew up I was going to raise the issue of whether Ashley was just turning us into a feeder club. But then bidding for Modric and signing Coloccini doesn't really suggest that. I think we could have signed more players before the summer window closed but the impression I get is that Keegan only wanted players of a certain quality/players he'd heard of.

 

I thought the same as you but now I'm not too certain about whether we really did bid for Modric, was it the same sort of bid that we made for Rooney? I know it's a different board now but did we really try to get him? With regards to players of certain quality, it would not have been too difficult to get better players than what we have in central midfield! I would hardly say Gutherie and the new guy are world beaters.

[Guest DMan]

I'm going to reserve judgement until the facts come out. Both Ashley and Keegan said there was money to spend, especially the £12m from Milner. For some reason, it wasn't spent.

 

 

 

Are we ever going to find out the truth, or a load of spin, as usual?

 

Probably a load of spin, which means I won't "pick sides". It's for the good of the club that we support whoever stays tbh.

#

 

I'm not picking sides either. What with Keegan claiming it was his choice to sell Milner, and that we were signing umpteen players.

 

Lets not forget his two versions of why he left the first time.

 

Did you see Keegans face when he said the Milner sale was down to him, he never even lifted his eyes from the floor, he quite obviously for the world to see got a bollocking and towed the company line as he thought there was 4-5 signings on the way (as promised by the board)

 

They never came (and most likely never even got enquired about) so he left.

 

I don't think anybody on this board has ever said that Ashley's plans are flawed, in the long run they would be great but why lie to the fans and say signings are on the way??? That's where they dropped a bollock.

 

When we lose players like Kamil Zaylette to Hull City it is blatantly obvious that the board cannot sign players and for that they need replacing. Keegan has been a puppet for months, it is obvious and non of his signings coming in was the final straw

[NE5]

I'll wait until we hear some facts before making my mind up on who is to blame but I don't think either side is innocent in this.

 

oh dear

 

 

[Guest Edd]

When we lose players like Kamil Zaylette to Hull City it is blatantly obvious that the board cannot sign players and for that they need replacing.

[NG32]

I'm backing KK all the way here.

 

 

 

[Guest Heneage]

Someone made a point last night that by being in the league we get a chunk of cash I believe £30m Now the likes of Sunderland obviously took that and invested it in Players, as with many clubs.

 

It got me wondering is Ashley taking some of this money back with the money he put in being "A Loan " of sorts. If you imagine our outlay was around 5.5M and the Wage bill has been slashed, you'd think we may have invested more, thats what worries me,.

[Stu]

When we lose players like Kamil Zaylette to Hull City it is blatantly obvious that the board cannot sign players and for that they need replacing.

 

 

Lets wait until you've seen the fucker play, something strange about a left back touting himself round three different clubs in a week...hardly angling for a "dream move"

[UV]

I guess I just missed the memo along the way, but can someone who is happy with "the setup" please tell me exactly what "the setup" is, ie precisely what everyone's role is, and who has responsibility for what? It might clear up some of the confusion as to what's gone on recently. If you can't be bothered to type it all out, just link me to the source of your info ta.

 

If you want an exact breakdown, try e-mailing the club.

 

I emailed Keegan, but just got an out of office reply 

 

You're a believer in the new setup, perhaps you could enlighten me.

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1329691,00.html

 

Sorry, but that link doesn't really say anything at all except that Llambias is the boss of Williamson and Wise.

[Tsunami]

Ashley comes across as a self important, look at me I can do anything fool. I can wear the shirt, sit with the lads & drink beer. He is an imposter with a slick lovable manner that has taken people in. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could shit him. Both SJH & KK have been told of his plans and he has not delivered. The slack some people are prepared to give him is unbelievable.

 

The lack of money spent on players stinks of the club being set up to be sold. Yes, he has cleared debts but these are actions made to make a business look attractive whilst reducing the wage bill is also a very good move.

 

The sooner he ships out the better. I simply do not believe that he has the clubs best interests at heart.

[Guest DMan]

When we lose players like Kamil Zaylette to Hull City it is blatantly obvious that the board cannot sign players and for that they need replacing.

 

Think your missing the point here, I am not syaing he is any good, but from Keegans comments (about his versatility) it was clear he wanted to sign him, are you not alarmed at all the players we missed out on?

 

Seems slightly strange to me that everybody in the Prem can close deals quickly but we drag them out for weeks and end up losing them!!!

 

 

Lets wait until you've seen the fucker play, something strange about a left back touting himself round three different clubs in a week...hardly angling for a "dream move"

[Guest DMan]

When we lose players like Kamil Zaylette to Hull City it is blatantly obvious that the board cannot sign players and for that they need replacing.

 

Think your missing the point here, I am not syaing he is any good, but from Keegans comments (about his versatility) it was clear he wanted to sign him, are you not alarmed at all the players we missed out on?

 

Seems slightly strange to me that everybody in the Prem can close deals quickly but we drag them out for weeks and end up losing them!!!

 

 

Lets wait until you've seen the fucker play, something strange about a left back touting himself round three different clubs in a week...hardly angling for a "dream move"

 

For some reason it did not post my reply which was:

 

Think your missing the point about whether this player is any good or not, Keegan obviously wanted him (for his versatility) but Hull stepped in and concluded the deal.

 

Seems strange that every other Prem club can complete deals quickly but we take weeks and end up losing them..... The players are either very un-impressed with Wise and Co or they just don't have a clue what they are doing.

[Mick]

 

oh dear

 

 

 

Excellent, you can read minds.

[Tom_NUFC]

I'm not against Ashley. I'm not making any rash decision because we don't know what's gone on, who's done or said what etc.

 

There's clearly some problems that Keegan and Ashley need to sort out, and I hope they do.

 

If it comes down to something like either Keegan going or Wise being told to piss off, I hope Ashley will do the right thing and tell the shifty-eyed Cockney dwarf to sling his hook.

 

I think he is the main problem between Keegan and Ashley's relationship.

 

It's a bit of a crap situation, but it's one that can be mended and put right in both Keegan-Ashley relations and Ashley-Supporters relations as well.

 

[Guest optimistic nit]

Someone made a point last night that by being in the league we get a chunk of cash I believe £30m Now the likes of Sunderland obviously took that and invested it in Players, as with many clubs.

 

It got me wondering is Ashley taking some of this money back with the money he put in being "A Loan " of sorts. If you imagine our outlay was around 5.5M and the Wage bill has been slashed, you'd think we may have invested more, thats what worries me,.

 

Sunderland dont have our wage bill.

 

the club lost money last year, that includes the money we got in from tv revinue. its no use if we get 30 million from tv companies if it all gets spent on wages for people like alan smith (who ashley did want to sell).

 

lets not gang up on one or the other. we need to support both of them.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

All I know is that out of them all KK is the only one I trust to put this club, the fans and his players (those that mean the most to him) before the interests of anyone else or anything else, including himself. AT ALL TIMES. Ask yourself could you safely say the same of the others, Ashley included? If KK is unhappy with the way the club is being ran it wont be down to spite, because he's a moody fucker or because he's emotionally unhinged or whatever. Nor will it be because he can't work with others or this setup. If he thought it was working he wouldn't say a peep which was exactly his stance on the whole-set up prior to transfer window closure, happy with it. It clearly isn't working as well as he wants and lets not forget NEEDS it to as far as he himself is concerned though and may never work, hence why this could well be the root cause of his unhappiness.

 

We must still remember that at this stage we don't really know anything so while we talk about the set-up something entirely different could be the reason for this sorry episode.

 

 

That said, how any self respecting Newcastle United supporter could back the faceless and anonymous names of Ashley and co over Keegan is beyond me and I am all for this new set-up and I think in parts it has done some good thus far and ideally I'd like to see it continue and to be honest I think KK would too.

 

But it comes back to trust with me. KK is the manager and the only guy qualified here and if he says something is wrong, isn't working or needs changed then the club have to go with him and oblige, otherwise why the f*** appoint a manager at all, lets just hire coaches or lets go back to the old system where directors picked the players on match day.

 

And why should the club oblige you may ask? Because KK knows best. He is the manager, a very good one who knows this club and football inside out and will know what a club requires to be successful (especially this one) and most certainly what he requires to be successful and that is for him to be the leader and not just a name on the ticket.

 

This is what the club needs and what we the fans want, or I do anyway, for KK a man I trust who has the experience, qualities and above all else best interests of the club to be the one managing the club, from the top. That isn't to say we can't still have a director of football or a scouting network, I think it's pretty disrespectful to assume that KK doesn't ever want that kind of set-up or can't work with it because I'm sure if such a set-up helped him to succeed he'd be all for it, remember what is best for the club is what drives KK, not pettyness or self serving interests.

 

And on that subject, this is why I love KK because he is in there fighting for our club, not his career or job, but our club and what is best and right for it which I think he has earned the right to point out and ask for and indeed get our full and unconditional backing.

 

I'm eternally grateful to KK because he's standing up for what he believes in which is exactly what we go to the match for, to stand up to believe in our club.

 

Without KK leading, what can we possibly believe in: Ashley? This set-up? The team? Our future?

 

Without KK it falls to pieces, as it did when he left back in 97 and as we will find out if he isn't our manager come the visit of Hull as Ashley nor his 'team' will survive the fall-out from that.

 

Lets hope that won't happen though, lets hope Ashley puts the club's interests before his own and anyone elses, lets hope like the fans, he puts the entire club's future in the hands of the best man qualified and the most capable.

 

Wor Kev, King Kev.

 

KEEGAN, KEEGAN!

[Guest Howaythetoon]

PS for Baggio and 2J, if Keegan goes I go remember

[Parky]

PS for Baggio and 2J, if Keegan goes I go remember

 

The first sentence is all you needed to post. 

[Thespence]

All I know is that out of them all KK is the only one I trust to put this club, the fans and his players (those that mean the most to him) before the interests of anyone else or anything else, including himself. AT ALL TIMES. Ask yourself could you safely say the same of the others, Ashley included? If KK is unhappy with the way the club is being ran it wont be down to spite, because he's a moody fucker or because he's emotionally unhinged or whatever. Nor will it be because he can't work with others or this setup. If he thought it was working he wouldn't say a peep which was exactly his stance on the whole-set up prior to transfer window closure, happy with it. It clearly isn't working as well as he wants and lets not forget NEEDS it to as far as he himself is concerned though and may never work, hence why this could well be the root cause of his unhappiness.

 

We must still remember that at this stage we don't really know anything so while we talk about the set-up something entirely different could be the reason for this sorry episode.

 

 

That said, how any self respecting Newcastle United supporter could back the faceless and anonymous names of Ashley and co over Keegan is beyond me and I am all for this new set-up and I think in parts it has done some good thus far and ideally I'd like to see it continue and to be honest I think KK would too.

 

But it comes back to trust with me. KK is the manager and the only guy qualified here and if he says something is wrong, isn't working or needs changed then the club have to go with him and oblige, otherwise why the f*** appoint a manager at all, lets just hire coaches or lets go back to the old system where directors picked the players on match day.

 

And why should the club oblige you may ask? Because KK knows best. He is the manager, a very good one who knows this club and football inside out and will know what a club requires to be successful (especially this one) and most certainly what he requires to be successful and that is for him to be the leader and not just a name on the ticket.

 

This is what the club needs and what we the fans want, or I do anyway, for KK a man I trust who has the experience, qualities and above all else best interests of the club to be the one managing the club, from the top. That isn't to say we can't still have a director of football or a scouting network, I think it's pretty disrespectful to assume that KK doesn't ever want that kind of set-up or can't work with it because I'm sure if such a set-up helped him to succeed he'd be all for it, remember what is best for the club is what drives KK, not pettyness or self serving interests.

 

And on that subject, this is why I love KK because he is in there fighting for our club, not his career or job, but our club and what is best and right for it which I think he has earned the right to point out and ask for and indeed our full and unconditional backing it is very rare for anyone to put themselves out like that.

 

I'm eternally grateful to KK because he's standing up for what he believes in which is exactly what we go to the match for, to stand up to believe in our club.

 

Without KK leading, what can we possibly believe in: Ashley? This set-up? The team? Our future?

 

Without KK it falls to pieces, as it did when he left back in 97 and as we will find out if he isn't our manager come the visit of Hull as Ashley nor his 'team' will survive the fall-out from that.

 

Lets hope that won't happen though, lets hope Ashley puts the club's interests before his own and anyone elses, lets hope like the fans, he puts the entire club's future in the hands of the best man qualified and the most capable.

 

Wor Kev, King Kev.

 

KEEGAN, KEEGAN!

 

Great post, I stopped reading after the bold bit as you had me sold there

[Baggio]

PS for Baggio and 2J, if Keegan goes I go remember

 

A win win situation then.

[NE5]

I can't really figure out why everyone is so happy about Ashley, football wise he hasn't a clue! And that's where it really matters, could someone please give me an example of a good football decision he's made?

Kept with Allardyce/failed to back him. Take your pick on that one but either way he screwed up!

Wanted to appoint Redknapp as manager.

Showed a complete lack of ambition in three transfer windows

Apointed the wrong manager for the structure he wanted. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about football would have known Keegan wouldn't be happy with the new structure!

Appointed Dennis Wise to the board, I'm sure there's much more qualified people than him who could do the job. Just think Ashley's first choice set up at the club would have been Redknapp and Wise!

Said there's money there when there blatantly isn't. Actions speak louder than words and if we had the money then it wouldn't be too difficult to get a better central midfielder than Butt or Gutherie. No point mentioning Barton as who knows when he will play again. Also with regards to the new guy they've bought, well lets see how well he does but the fact we've got him on loan says it all! Our two Central midfielder purchases this summer has been Liverpool's 8th choice central midfielder and a loan from Valencia!

 

Also with regards to the new structure, we need to bare in mind two things! It's far too early to judge the new players, even though some people already seem to think they're the bees knees!

 

Other point related to the new structure is that what we're trying to do can't be done anymore. By far the most successful club to develop young players is Arsenal and even they are now starting to struggle in recent seasons. As soon as you develop a young player one of the bigger clubs will come in for them! As a club you need to be prepared to spend big money if you want to do anything and Ashley just won't do that. Can't say I blame him as I wouldn't lay out the money either but at the same token I wouldn't have been stupid enough to have bought a football club if I wasn't prepared to do that!

 

pretty well said there. Well done.