Colos Short and Curlies Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 The role of the manager has been in the news recently due to Keegan and Curbishley. The ADU takeover at Citeh also had repurcussions for Hughes with the men behind the money bidding for all and sundry. So can this new environment work in the Premier League - it works to varying degrees of success - and consider the role of the most successful manger in England.. He doesn't take training, he only gets involved in player negotiations at the latter stages, he has a member of staff in place to do every job he wants. All he does is identify players, shape tactics and manage on a Saturday. In many ways a DoF role I would say (I'll give you that the Saturday activities fall outside a DoF remit). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 It isn't as easy as "yes" or "no", it all depends on the manager, maybe if a foreign manager is brought in then they'll understand how it works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 depends on what remit the DoF has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Of course it can, as long as everyone understands their role within the club and doesn't overstep their boundaries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Of course it can, as long as everyone understands their role within the club and doesn't overstep their boundaries. You would say that though wouldn't you what with your title and all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allmo Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 What is the actual job description of a DoF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Corner Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I think it could work if given time with the right people. I dont think we stood/stand a chance of getting success out of it as the media have refused to try to understand how it works and have used it as a negative against us since the day wise came in, even after mort came out and told everyone about the new structure of the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 What is the actual job description of a DoF? there isn't one. each clubs DoF will have different responsibilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 it can work but each individual case is different to the other. nor is it for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 So which clubs have a director of football - us, west ham, spurs and which dont - villa, everton, man utd, liverpool, arsenal, blackburn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 So which clubs have a director of football - us, west ham, spurs and which dont - villa, everton, man utd, liverpool, arsenal, blackburn we did when we finished 3rd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Gordon Milne knew Robson and was appointed by him. he was essentially a chief scout. that is the kind of situation that can work. it can also work if the DoF is clearly the man in charge and runs the club from top to bottom, essentially a football person taking the role of a traditional chairman. this way he appoints the manager. but the manager probably has to be from abroad where they are more used to the director - head coach system. its totally different to what british managers are used to so with them it probably spells disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Gordon Milne knew Robson and was appointed by him. he was essentially a chief scout. that is the kind of situation that can work. it can also work if the DoF is clearly the man in charge and runs the club from top to bottom, essentially a football person taking the role of a traditional chairman. this way he appoints the manager. but the manager probably has to be from abroad where they are more used to the director - head coach system. its totally different to what british managers are used to so with them it probably spells disaster. i'd guess all the DoF in england have differing remits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 No, not in the English game. The English are too wrapped up their ways and traditions. The manager is iconic, he picks the team, he brings in the quality and bins those who aren't good enough. It's a direction worth considering, but one that will never truly work in this country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Ofcourse it can work, but only between 2 of the right people. Clubs just take a manager, take a DOF and they slap them together, then they're surprised when there are tensions. They need to have a good working relationship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 No, not in the English game. The English are too wrapped up their ways and traditions. The manager is iconic, he picks the team, he brings in the quality and bins those who aren't good enough. It's a direction worth considering, but one that will never truly work in this country. Lot of truth in that iyam. What is the norm on the continent may simply never catch on over here. And I'd be glad if it doesn't tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scottishmag54 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 of course a director of football can work as long as he and the manager are clear on there role from the outset Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 No, not in the English game. The English are too wrapped up their ways and traditions. The manager is iconic, he picks the team, he brings in the quality and bins those who aren't good enough. It's a direction worth considering, but one that will never truly work in this country. Martin Jol didnt like it either and he's as English as Steve Mcclaren is dutch, and even Mourinho struggled when someone else started buying players for him. Saying it works in Spain and Italy is daft as they are well known for running clubs poorly in comparison to English clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 No, not in the English game. The English are too wrapped up their ways and traditions. The manager is iconic, he picks the team, he brings in the quality and bins those who aren't good enough. It's a direction worth considering, but one that will never truly work in this country. Martin Jol didnt like it either and he's as English as Steve Mcclaren is dutch, and even Mourinho struggled when someone else started buying players for him. Saying it works in Spain and Italy is daft as they are well known for running clubs poorly in comparison to English clubs. Yet martin Jol was happy with it when everyone was licking his balls for finishing in the top 5 a few times. When his style of football got found out and Spurs started to struggle, it became the perfect excuse for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I don't think it can work unless: 1- the manager and DoF are appointed at the same time 2- the manager has worked in the same structure before (so a foreigner basically) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Clear levels of job description that can't be manipulated by the press. Its a sad day that the media can manipulate such bull and morph a man's job into something its not. sickens me. I think it could work given clear indication of the roles and boundaries. and sadly, it would almost need to be stated at the announcement what the DoF would be there for and who he answers to. Thats the only way it would work for me. Any unanswered questions is instant material for the snakes who write in the papers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 A name means nothing, its all about reporting lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 When it comes to transfers, it should be the manger's and only the manager's choice on who comes in or who goes out, otherwise he is not completely responsible for what happens. We've seen what has happened with Keegan and Curbs and it's justified for them to be unhappy at what is going on behind the scenes. Tbh I think the only way the club would succeed with a DoF is if they have a "yes man" for a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 It will happen, over time more and more clubs will move towards the system, although I do believe the manager still needs significant input into transfers. The 'English game' is no longer English at the top level anyway. Most of the owners, managers and players are from overseas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 No, not in the English game. The English are too wrapped up their ways and traditions. The manager is iconic, he picks the team, he brings in the quality and bins those who aren't good enough. It's a direction worth considering, but one that will never truly work in this country. Lot of truth in that iyam. What is the norm on the continent may simply never catch on over here. And I'd be glad if it doesn't tbh. Benitez and Ramos are two examples of iirc who had problems with the system while working abroad. The managers role in the English game is unique and the managers relationship at a lot of clubs is deeper. Personally I see nothing wrong with that. This whole idea of 'coaches', DOF's, Executive Dir etc... and whatnot will never really catch on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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