Neil Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Using the logic that some of the people on this thread have used. RONALDINHO! KAKA! MESSI! They, like, haven't scored 10 billion goals and stuff..... therefore they're a fraud. Sound logic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Beckham and Owen would be top of my list. Good players, but nowhere near as good as they've ever been cracked up to be. Beckham especially. When he first made a big name for himself, he was an excellent winger, he'd stick next to the opposition fullback and ping in 5 excellent, undefendable crosses per game. Then the fame got to his head and he turned into a Zidane wannabe overnight, floating around and punting long balls all game, much of it from practically a right back position. I say the fame got to him because there was a specific time in his ManU career where fullbacks had sussed him out, and his form had dropped, and quite a few pundits were saying at the time how him coming over this problem would define whether he would be a great player or not. Of course, he failed to overcome that problem, and turned into a ball hogging Hollywood passing liability, because that's what he felt he needed to do since he was such a "star" player - a star player like him cant be seen to be working hard to try to overcome the difficulties he's starting to face. Wasn't a suprise at all when Ferguson dropped him for Solskjaer and ManU started to get considerably more output from the right wing, a fact that was masked by Beckham's eventually dummy spitting from pram act. But what does Ferguson know eh? IMO he played a big part in Madrid's instant downfall as a championship winning side to one with no hope of winning anything, alongside the exit of Makelele. They lost a top class player, probably the best team player in the game at the time, and in return got someone who had great dead ball ability, but was ultimately a waste of a position and negatively impacted on the team's playing style. Instead of 11 good players working as a team and producing slick, fluid football where players moved and interchanged with skill, they had 10 plus a long ball merchant who they had to accomodate either in central midfield or on the right - in both cases providing severe deficiencies to the fluidity of the team overall. Talented player, started off excellently as a top class winger, turned into a media whore of a footballer by the time he eventually won a pretty uninspiring La Liga with Madrid (given how bad all of the teams were that season). Granted, Beckham was and always will be a player capable of producing a devilishly good cross or pass, but the way that he played towards the end of his ManU career and onwards, combined with his other limitations (no pace, cant dribble unless its running backwards, doesnt have pass-n-move in his repoirtoire only "killer pass, you can do it!" passes, etc etc) ensured that he always completely dissappeared in big games, particularly for England, and the great assists that he did provide came at a cost to the functionality and fluidity of the team as a whole. /rant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Toon Argy Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Using the logic that some of the people on this thread have used. RONALDINHO! KAKA! MESSI! They, like, haven't scored 10 billion goals and stuff..... therefore they're a fraud. Sound logic. ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Michael Carrick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest timmy boy Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Michael Carrick. Carrick would improve our midfield ten fold imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Toon Argy Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I would say this is the overrated footballers thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Carrick isn't rated a massive amount like, compared to Gerrard/Lampard and such. I do rate him personally, he's not an all-action centre-mid but he can certainly hit a pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Trezeguet. Yeah he's only scored 130 goals in 218 league games for Juve Yeah he doesnt try be more than a sit and service striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest derek sausage Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Beckham and Owen would be top of my list. Good players, but nowhere near as good as they've ever been cracked up to be. Both world class in their day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest derek sausage Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 And still would have been if they had the hunger to concentrate on their football rather than other interests Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 What the hell are people on about here! Must have seen at least 6 world class players mentioned in a footballing frauds thread! I would say the likes of smith, ramage and pattison would be footballing frauds, not owen, beckham, raul!, robbie keane, adebayor, terry, carragher, lampard etc surely you would have any of these so called frauds in our team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I hope you didn't just claim Carragher was world class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 KIERON DYER...BOLICAL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gash Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Using the logic that some of the people on this thread have used. RONALDINHO! KAKA! MESSI! They, like, haven't scored 10 billion goals and stuff..... therefore they're a fraud. Sound logic. Well,yeh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I would say this is the overrated footballers thread. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jawesome Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 George Best Bobby Moore Pele Diego Maradonna Des Hamilton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Theo Walcott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northwestmag1892 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Theo Walcott. Hat-trick tonight against a good side though? Maybe his new-found confidence will allow him to break into the next level up of player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Theo Walcott. Whoopsie! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 to be fair. walcott scored a hat trick without playing well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Toon Argy Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Who was the last player to score a hatrick for England? Owen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gash Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Who was the last player to score a hatrick for England? Owen? Crouch against Jamaica they said on commentry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Crouch against Jamaica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 He also missed a peno in hilarious fashion in that game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Toon Argy Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Forgot about that. That was a friendly though. Owen must have been the last one in a competitive game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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