NE5 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 In the history of the club these are relatively halcyon days. Ok, it's not the younger fans fault that they were only a blob of spunk when the club was really s***. However, lets get a bit of perspective, 45,000 - 52,000 crowds, awesome stadium, international players? How times have changed! I'll never forget that crushing feeling as a lad collecting the Panini sticker albums. How I wished to be able to lovingly collect all of Newcastle United's players and carefully place them into that well thumbed album. But no, Second Division clubs only ever got the team photo and the club badge and they were like gold dust on Tyneside! f***ing dark days indeed! :'( like this 1984/85 season http://www.craigcullen.co.uk/stickers/428.jpg http://www.craigcullen.co.uk/stickers/429.jpg 85/86 season http://www.craigcullen.co.uk/stickers/1161.jpg http://www.craigcullen.co.uk/stickers/1162.jpg http://www.craigcullen.co.uk/stickers/1167.jpg http://www.craigcullen.co.uk/stickers/1171.jpg http://www.craigcullen.co.uk/stickers/1175.jpg http://www.craigcullen.co.uk/stickers/1170.jpg http://www.craigcullen.co.uk/stickers/1173.jpg http://www.craigcullen.co.uk/stickers/1174.jpg Here`s the rest http://www.craigcullen.co.uk/asp/club85.asp?club=Newcastle you're wasting your breath mate. Some don't realise, and won't listen. And those - like mick - who say they were there at the time, will never admit it, because it entails them admitting the huge strides made under the last board, who attracted them back to the club in the first place...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NE5 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. clearly, you have no idea, just like mick. You're not having some sort of a relationship with him are you, defending him like this ..... or as he has clearly been shown to be spouting bollocks, does he still have his tail between his legs... You're another person who insisted we would be so much better off without the fat bastard aren't you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. clearly, you have no idea, just like mick. You're not having some sort of a relationship with him are you, defending him like this ..... or as he has clearly been shown to be spouting bollocks, does he still have his tail between his legs... You're another person who insisted we would be so much better off without the fat b****** aren't you. wouldn't say insisted but given the choice of where i could see us headed with that board i thought it was worth the risk. what i do and i'll keep doing when you spout "champs lge.....top 5 in europe etc" is balance things up by pointing they appointed souness,roeder and allarcyce and were taking us backwards on the pitch whilst racking up debt off it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. clearly, you have no idea, just like mick. You're not having some sort of a relationship with him are you, defending him like this ..... or as he has clearly been shown to be spouting bollocks, does he still have his tail between his legs... You're another person who insisted we would be so much better off without the fat b****** aren't you. wouldn't say insisted but given the choice of where i could see us headed with that board i thought it was worth the risk. what i do and i'll keep doing when you spout "champs lge.....top 5 in europe etc" is balance things up by pointing they appointed souness,roeder and allarcyce and were taking us backwards on the pitch whilst racking up debt off it. well, europe only once in 3 years is pretty catastrophic like, were you in a coma for those 3 years ? We're going backwards now, and fast too, since the fat bastard left. We will soon be in the position we were when the fat bastard found us, 16 years, a revamped stadium, and getting on for 100 games in europe later....... Shame you keep answering when mick is the one being asked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. clearly, you have no idea, just like mick. You're not having some sort of a relationship with him are you, defending him like this ..... or as he has clearly been shown to be spouting bollocks, does he still have his tail between his legs... You're another person who insisted we would be so much better off without the fat b****** aren't you. wouldn't say insisted but given the choice of where i could see us headed with that board i thought it was worth the risk. what i do and i'll keep doing when you spout "champs lge.....top 5 in europe etc" is balance things up by pointing they appointed souness,roeder and allarcyce and were taking us backwards on the pitch whilst racking up debt off it. well, europe only once in 3 years is pretty catastrophic like, were you in a coma for those 3 years ? We're going backwards now, and fast too, since the fat bastard left. We will soon be in the position we were when the fat bastard found us, 16 years, a revamped stadium, and getting on for 100 games in europe later....... Shame you keep answering when mick is the one being asked. i'm not one of these people who confuse a knowledge of football with a knowledge of the history of a football club but the bit in bold: FS was the instrumental one was he? who bought out the club and then initiated the floatation a while later? genuine interest, i always thought john hall was the "leader"... did FS build the metro centre as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I was like 3 years old back then. You owld gits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. clearly, you have no idea, just like mick. You're not having some sort of a relationship with him are you, defending him like this ..... or as he has clearly been shown to be spouting bollocks, does he still have his tail between his legs... You're another person who insisted we would be so much better off without the fat b****** aren't you. wouldn't say insisted but given the choice of where i could see us headed with that board i thought it was worth the risk. what i do and i'll keep doing when you spout "champs lge.....top 5 in europe etc" is balance things up by pointing they appointed souness,roeder and allarcyce and were taking us backwards on the pitch whilst racking up debt off it. well, europe only once in 3 years is pretty catastrophic like, were you in a coma for those 3 years ? We're going backwards now, and fast too, since the fat bastard left. We will soon be in the position we were when the fat bastard found us, 16 years, a revamped stadium, and getting on for 100 games in europe later....... Shame you keep answering when mick is the one being asked. i'm not one of these people who confuse a knowledge of football with a knowledge of the history of a football club but the bit in bold: FS was the instrumental one was he? who bought out the club and then initiated the floatation a while later? genuine interest, i always thought john hall was the "leader"... did FS build the metro centre as well? I'm quite sure you know what I mean. SJH gets the credit for appointing Keegan when he had Keegan shoved into his reluctant lap by Hall Jnr, Fletcher and Shepherd. Yet Shepherd gets all the flak for appointing all the other managers single handed........ Its a board thing ie particularly the majority shareholders, and quite simply the Halls and Shepherd needed each other to be the major shareholders and make the big decisions during all of those 15 years Like johnnypd in the other post says, why do these sort of things have to be repeated all the time ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pie Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Nowhere near as bad as it was in late 70s early 80s or indeed the late 80s early 90s Even when we had Riley and Cunningham we had the likes of Beardsley and Gazza to cling to. We have nobody even coming close to those two now. Its all relative , of course. We expect a bit more now! Nb: Irving Nattrass would walk into our side. Should have played for England when it was hard to get a cap! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Nowhere near as bad as it was in late 70s early 80s or indeed the late 80s early 90s Even when we had Riley and Cunningham we had the likes of Beardsley and Gazza to cling to. We have nobody even coming close to those two now. Its all relative , of course. We expect a bit more now! Nb: Irving Nattrass would walk into our side. Should have played for England when it was hard to get a cap! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 NE5 et al clearly going for the longest running, most drawn out and boring argument record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. clearly, you have no idea, just like mick. You're not having some sort of a relationship with him are you, defending him like this ..... or as he has clearly been shown to be spouting bollocks, does he still have his tail between his legs... You're another person who insisted we would be so much better off without the fat b****** aren't you. wouldn't say insisted but given the choice of where i could see us headed with that board i thought it was worth the risk. what i do and i'll keep doing when you spout "champs lge.....top 5 in europe etc" is balance things up by pointing they appointed souness,roeder and allarcyce and were taking us backwards on the pitch whilst racking up debt off it. well, europe only once in 3 years is pretty catastrophic like, were you in a coma for those 3 years ? We're going backwards now, and fast too, since the fat b****** left. We will soon be in the position we were when the fat b****** found us, 16 years, a revamped stadium, and getting on for 100 games in europe later....... Shame you keep answering when mick is the one being asked. europe once in 3 years. not even automatic entry but the intertoto which you have to apply for. i suppose technically mcfauls 8th place finish was as high as roeders because there were more teams in the top division then. still doesn't mean that either of those teams were any good. remember 2 of those euro outings were on the same basis that millwall had theirs. ie a poor team being fa cup runners up. in short getting into the uefa cup or intertoto does not mean you are a good team. about answering when you were asking mick ,but that comment just confirms what i already thought in that you aren't bothered about any truth but are more concerned about being seen to win an argument. to use an oft used term of yours..."pathetic" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Like johnnypd in the other post says, why do these sort of things have to be repeated all the time ? they don't, that's why no-one quite understands why you keep doing it i'm so tired of the "debates" you lot get involved in - some of you should go to a class or something, learn how one statement or fact being true does not necessarily make another, often unrelated fact, untrue for example your repetition of the european places stats doesn't make other people's repetition of the diminishing league places and dogshit managerial appointments + spiralling debt untrue you saying everyone operates with debt doesn't mean that when analysed our debt was sustainable indefinately with the way things were going on the pitch under FS macbeth posting financial statistics from the period when FS was chairman that make some horrible reading do not render your european qualification stats useless, 'cause they're not the fact ashley has totally fucked up now doesn't mean that under FS and the PLC we weren't already in that downward spiral and pre ashey it was all CL places and sipping champagne in the bernabau, 'cause it wasn't see what i'm doing here? lateral arguing if everyone could live by this agonisingly simple process on the forum then things would be so much better, it'd be like the sound of fuckin music on here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Been watching the toon from the early 70's and must say i never expected much as i was a kid and just loved going to the match with mates and seeing us beat the top clubs at the time over the years was an achievement ,so many downs but not many ups until KK came back and everything changed .Have seen a lot of shit players in my time and some of the best dare i say world class and with sir John Hall taking over and giving us something to believe in i thought we had turned the corner but no we quickly let it slip with managers who just didnt work out and sir Bobby saved the day then it went tits up when we were so close to being serious challengers .Now we have to start again from scratch going into the unknown with the same hopes and fears ,so to say the worst time as a supporter i say yes cos the the thing is happening again uncertainty . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. clearly, you have no idea, just like mick. You're not having some sort of a relationship with him are you, defending him like this ..... or as he has clearly been shown to be spouting bollocks, does he still have his tail between his legs... You're another person who insisted we would be so much better off without the fat b****** aren't you. wouldn't say insisted but given the choice of where i could see us headed with that board i thought it was worth the risk. what i do and i'll keep doing when you spout "champs lge.....top 5 in europe etc" is balance things up by pointing they appointed souness,roeder and allarcyce and were taking us backwards on the pitch whilst racking up debt off it. well, europe only once in 3 years is pretty catastrophic like, were you in a coma for those 3 years ? We're going backwards now, and fast too, since the fat b****** left. We will soon be in the position we were when the fat b****** found us, 16 years, a revamped stadium, and getting on for 100 games in europe later....... Shame you keep answering when mick is the one being asked. europe once in 3 years. not even automatic entry but the intertoto which you have to apply for. i suppose technically mcfauls 8th place finish was as high as roeders because there were more teams in the top division then. still doesn't mean that either of those teams were any good. remember 2 of those euro outings were on the same basis that millwall had theirs. ie a poor team being fa cup runners up. in short getting into the uefa cup or intertoto does not mean you are a good team. about answering when you were asking mick ,but that comment just confirms what i already thought in that you aren't bothered about any truth but are more concerned about being seen to win an argument. to use an oft used term of yours..."pathetic" All you have to do is admit the facts. Which are that the board was run like a crappy corner shop for decades until 1992, was transformed massively into a top club by the Halls and Shepherd who have left it a million miles better than they found it, and it will be very difficult to find an owner to match never mind beat, what they did. No personalites, just the facts and the legacy which is a club with higher expectations and one of the best stadiums in the country. It isn't the worst time actually - yet - but unless something changes fast its heading the same way as the period that is. And its only gone this way because they started behaving like a 2nd rate club again. Admit it, and have done with it, although I don't expect others to do the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Most of the mid 80s to early 90s was gash. The odd season or player brightened it up though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. clearly, you have no idea, just like mick. You're not having some sort of a relationship with him are you, defending him like this ..... or as he has clearly been shown to be spouting bollocks, does he still have his tail between his legs... You're another person who insisted we would be so much better off without the fat b****** aren't you. wouldn't say insisted but given the choice of where i could see us headed with that board i thought it was worth the risk. what i do and i'll keep doing when you spout "champs lge.....top 5 in europe etc" is balance things up by pointing they appointed souness,roeder and allarcyce and were taking us backwards on the pitch whilst racking up debt off it. well, europe only once in 3 years is pretty catastrophic like, were you in a coma for those 3 years ? We're going backwards now, and fast too, since the fat b****** left. We will soon be in the position we were when the fat b****** found us, 16 years, a revamped stadium, and getting on for 100 games in europe later....... Shame you keep answering when mick is the one being asked. europe once in 3 years. not even automatic entry but the intertoto which you have to apply for. i suppose technically mcfauls 8th place finish was as high as roeders because there were more teams in the top division then. still doesn't mean that either of those teams were any good. remember 2 of those euro outings were on the same basis that millwall had theirs. ie a poor team being fa cup runners up. in short getting into the uefa cup or intertoto does not mean you are a good team. about answering when you were asking mick ,but that comment just confirms what i already thought in that you aren't bothered about any truth but are more concerned about being seen to win an argument. to use an oft used term of yours..."pathetic" All you have to do is admit the facts. Which are that the board was run like a crappy corner shop for decades until 1992, was transformed massively into a top club by the Halls and Shepherd who have left it a million miles better than they found it, and it will be very difficult to find an owner to match never mind beat, what they did. No personalites, just the facts and the legacy which is a club with higher expectations and one of the best stadiums in the country. It isn't the worst time actually - yet - but unless something changes fast its heading the same way as the period that is. And its only gone this way because they started behaving like a 2nd rate club again. Admit it, and have done with it, although I don't expect others to do the same. yes i admit they were better than what came before. i've never said any different. can you now admit that from 2004 onwards we were going backwards with little to make anyone think it was going to change? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. clearly, you have no idea, just like mick. You're not having some sort of a relationship with him are you, defending him like this ..... or as he has clearly been shown to be spouting bollocks, does he still have his tail between his legs... You're another person who insisted we would be so much better off without the fat b****** aren't you. wouldn't say insisted but given the choice of where i could see us headed with that board i thought it was worth the risk. what i do and i'll keep doing when you spout "champs lge.....top 5 in europe etc" is balance things up by pointing they appointed souness,roeder and allarcyce and were taking us backwards on the pitch whilst racking up debt off it. well, europe only once in 3 years is pretty catastrophic like, were you in a coma for those 3 years ? We're going backwards now, and fast too, since the fat b****** left. We will soon be in the position we were when the fat b****** found us, 16 years, a revamped stadium, and getting on for 100 games in europe later....... Shame you keep answering when mick is the one being asked. europe once in 3 years. not even automatic entry but the intertoto which you have to apply for. i suppose technically mcfauls 8th place finish was as high as roeders because there were more teams in the top division then. still doesn't mean that either of those teams were any good. remember 2 of those euro outings were on the same basis that millwall had theirs. ie a poor team being fa cup runners up. in short getting into the uefa cup or intertoto does not mean you are a good team. about answering when you were asking mick ,but that comment just confirms what i already thought in that you aren't bothered about any truth but are more concerned about being seen to win an argument. to use an oft used term of yours..."pathetic" All you have to do is admit the facts. Which are that the board was run like a crappy corner shop for decades until 1992, was transformed massively into a top club by the Halls and Shepherd who have left it a million miles better than they found it, and it will be very difficult to find an owner to match never mind beat, what they did. No personalites, just the facts and the legacy which is a club with higher expectations and one of the best stadiums in the country. It isn't the worst time actually - yet - but unless something changes fast its heading the same way as the period that is. And its only gone this way because they started behaving like a 2nd rate club again. Admit it, and have done with it, although I don't expect others to do the same. yes i admit they were better than what came before. i've never said any different. can you now admit that from 2004 onwards we were going backwards with little to make anyone think it was going to change? but they finished 7th in 2006 ? I've no qualms in saying that I'd have been quite happy if they were replaced by better directors, none at all, but they weren't were they ? And there is no reason why they couldn't have appointed a good manager again, and as they showed they were prepared to back him, you simply can't say that they wouldn't have bounced back. I'm not making any excuses for the damage Souness did either, I spent months telling people like Ozzie and numerous others who thought he would transform into the new Alex Ferguson just for getting rid of the "cancer" like Ferguson did at ManU that it just wouldn't be the case. I'm not bothered that the Halls and Shepherd went in essence, I did say once or twice that maybe they had taken the club as far as they could, its only that the replacements have got it all so wrong [and they have proved preferable to Ashley]. Better luck next time, and we need the good luck too, because the situation is the same. Nobody buying the club has a right to show ambition, we just have to hope that they have it and understand how its done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. clearly, you have no idea, just like mick. You're not having some sort of a relationship with him are you, defending him like this ..... or as he has clearly been shown to be spouting bollocks, does he still have his tail between his legs... You're another person who insisted we would be so much better off without the fat b****** aren't you. wouldn't say insisted but given the choice of where i could see us headed with that board i thought it was worth the risk. what i do and i'll keep doing when you spout "champs lge.....top 5 in europe etc" is balance things up by pointing they appointed souness,roeder and allarcyce and were taking us backwards on the pitch whilst racking up debt off it. well, europe only once in 3 years is pretty catastrophic like, were you in a coma for those 3 years ? We're going backwards now, and fast too, since the fat b****** left. We will soon be in the position we were when the fat b****** found us, 16 years, a revamped stadium, and getting on for 100 games in europe later....... Shame you keep answering when mick is the one being asked. europe once in 3 years. not even automatic entry but the intertoto which you have to apply for. i suppose technically mcfauls 8th place finish was as high as roeders because there were more teams in the top division then. still doesn't mean that either of those teams were any good. remember 2 of those euro outings were on the same basis that millwall had theirs. ie a poor team being fa cup runners up. in short getting into the uefa cup or intertoto does not mean you are a good team. about answering when you were asking mick ,but that comment just confirms what i already thought in that you aren't bothered about any truth but are more concerned about being seen to win an argument. to use an oft used term of yours..."pathetic" All you have to do is admit the facts. Which are that the board was run like a crappy corner shop for decades until 1992, was transformed massively into a top club by the Halls and Shepherd who have left it a million miles better than they found it, and it will be very difficult to find an owner to match never mind beat, what they did. No personalites, just the facts and the legacy which is a club with higher expectations and one of the best stadiums in the country. It isn't the worst time actually - yet - but unless something changes fast its heading the same way as the period that is. And its only gone this way because they started behaving like a 2nd rate club again. Admit it, and have done with it, although I don't expect others to do the same. yes i admit they were better than what came before. i've never said any different. can you now admit that from 2004 onwards we were going backwards with little to make anyone think it was going to change? but they finished 7th in 2006 ? I've no qualms in saying that I'd have been quite happy if they were replaced by better directors, none at all, but they weren't were they ? And there is no reason why they couldn't have appointed a good manager again, and as they showed they were prepared to back him, you simply can't say that they wouldn't have bounced back. I'm not making any excuses for the damage Souness did either, I spent months telling people like Ozzie and numerous others who thought he would transform into the new Alex Ferguson just for getting rid of the "cancer" like Ferguson did at ManU that it just wouldn't be the case. I'm not bothered that the Halls and Shepherd went in essence, only that the replacements have got it all so wrong [and they have proved preferable to Ashley]. Better luck next time, and we need the good luck too, because the situation is the same. Nobody buying the club has a right to show ambition, we just have to hope that they have it and understand how its done. Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. clearly, you have no idea, just like mick. You're not having some sort of a relationship with him are you, defending him like this ..... or as he has clearly been shown to be spouting bollocks, does he still have his tail between his legs... You're another person who insisted we would be so much better off without the fat b****** aren't you. wouldn't say insisted but given the choice of where i could see us headed with that board i thought it was worth the risk. what i do and i'll keep doing when you spout "champs lge.....top 5 in europe etc" is balance things up by pointing they appointed souness,roeder and allarcyce and were taking us backwards on the pitch whilst racking up debt off it. well, europe only once in 3 years is pretty catastrophic like, were you in a coma for those 3 years ? We're going backwards now, and fast too, since the fat b****** left. We will soon be in the position we were when the fat b****** found us, 16 years, a revamped stadium, and getting on for 100 games in europe later....... Shame you keep answering when mick is the one being asked. europe once in 3 years. not even automatic entry but the intertoto which you have to apply for. i suppose technically mcfauls 8th place finish was as high as roeders because there were more teams in the top division then. still doesn't mean that either of those teams were any good. remember 2 of those euro outings were on the same basis that millwall had theirs. ie a poor team being fa cup runners up. in short getting into the uefa cup or intertoto does not mean you are a good team. about answering when you were asking mick ,but that comment just confirms what i already thought in that you aren't bothered about any truth but are more concerned about being seen to win an argument. to use an oft used term of yours..."pathetic" All you have to do is admit the facts. Which are that the board was run like a crappy corner shop for decades until 1992, was transformed massively into a top club by the Halls and Shepherd who have left it a million miles better than they found it, and it will be very difficult to find an owner to match never mind beat, what they did. No personalites, just the facts and the legacy which is a club with higher expectations and one of the best stadiums in the country. It isn't the worst time actually - yet - but unless something changes fast its heading the same way as the period that is. And its only gone this way because they started behaving like a 2nd rate club again. Admit it, and have done with it, although I don't expect others to do the same. yes i admit they were better than what came before. i've never said any different. can you now admit that from 2004 onwards we were going backwards with little to make anyone think it was going to change? but they finished 7th in 2006 ? I've no qualms in saying that I'd have been quite happy if they were replaced by better directors, none at all, but they weren't were they ? And there is no reason why they couldn't have appointed a good manager again, and as they showed they were prepared to back him, you simply can't say that they wouldn't have bounced back. I'm not making any excuses for the damage Souness did either, I spent months telling people like Ozzie and numerous others who thought he would transform into the new Alex Ferguson just for getting rid of the "cancer" like Ferguson did at ManU that it just wouldn't be the case. I'm not bothered that the Halls and Shepherd went in essence, only that the replacements have got it all so wrong [and they have proved preferable to Ashley]. Better luck next time, and we need the good luck too, because the situation is the same. Nobody buying the club has a right to show ambition, we just have to hope that they have it and understand how its done. we've been over this (roeders 7th) more than enough times. we were crap that season and spent more time worrying about relegation than anything else. there is no reason why they couldn't have appointed a good manager again ? how many chances do we give ?. i'm not sure allardyce would have had much more to spend in that summer he had and i personally feel that under him was the closest we have come to relegation. ambition certainly, but not at too high a risk. i don't mind an owner spending 100mill that he has got,rather that than spending 50mill of the banks money in the hope to pay it off when we are succesful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I was like 3 years old back then. You owld gits. Not a real fan tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Canell ? Natrass ? The "likes of Nattrass" was one of the best defenders and the best right back I have ever seen play for this club. And - the players had the right to go on strike just like anybody else. If anything it should tell you how strongly they felt about the situation ie losing Gordon Lee, who went to Everton, because the board didn't have the ambition that he had. Are you one of those who thinks selling MacDonald was completely responsible for our relegation despite the players supporting the manager who decided to let him go ? Oh, it was nothing to do with money. Of course it was about money, stop trying to change history. If anybody doesn't know then have a look here as this is how I remember it, it looks like at least two of us are wrong. http://www.toonarama.co.uk/managers/dinnisfall.html mick also said : I don't remember the players threatening to go on strike because of Lee leaving , what would have been the point if he was then managing another club? I can't remember the fans ever singing Gordon we love you which you've claimed before . see the season before the link you provided. re the strike, and also this http://www.toonarama.co.uk/seasons/1970s/1976-77/1976-77_diary_jan.html http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=56230.msg1515143#msg1515143 No reply I take it ? mackems.gif mackems.gif that board must've been a success though,european success,two cup finals and at the time you're talking about recently finished 5th. clearly, you have no idea, just like mick. You're not having some sort of a relationship with him are you, defending him like this ..... or as he has clearly been shown to be spouting bollocks, does he still have his tail between his legs... You're another person who insisted we would be so much better off without the fat b****** aren't you. wouldn't say insisted but given the choice of where i could see us headed with that board i thought it was worth the risk. what i do and i'll keep doing when you spout "champs lge.....top 5 in europe etc" is balance things up by pointing they appointed souness,roeder and allarcyce and were taking us backwards on the pitch whilst racking up debt off it. well, europe only once in 3 years is pretty catastrophic like, were you in a coma for those 3 years ? We're going backwards now, and fast too, since the fat b****** left. We will soon be in the position we were when the fat b****** found us, 16 years, a revamped stadium, and getting on for 100 games in europe later....... Shame you keep answering when mick is the one being asked. europe once in 3 years. not even automatic entry but the intertoto which you have to apply for. i suppose technically mcfauls 8th place finish was as high as roeders because there were more teams in the top division then. still doesn't mean that either of those teams were any good. remember 2 of those euro outings were on the same basis that millwall had theirs. ie a poor team being fa cup runners up. in short getting into the uefa cup or intertoto does not mean you are a good team. about answering when you were asking mick ,but that comment just confirms what i already thought in that you aren't bothered about any truth but are more concerned about being seen to win an argument. to use an oft used term of yours..."pathetic" All you have to do is admit the facts. Which are that the board was run like a crappy corner shop for decades until 1992, was transformed massively into a top club by the Halls and Shepherd who have left it a million miles better than they found it, and it will be very difficult to find an owner to match never mind beat, what they did. No personalites, just the facts and the legacy which is a club with higher expectations and one of the best stadiums in the country. It isn't the worst time actually - yet - but unless something changes fast its heading the same way as the period that is. And its only gone this way because they started behaving like a 2nd rate club again. Admit it, and have done with it, although I don't expect others to do the same. yes i admit they were better than what came before. i've never said any different. can you now admit that from 2004 onwards we were going backwards with little to make anyone think it was going to change? but they finished 7th in 2006 ? I've no qualms in saying that I'd have been quite happy if they were replaced by better directors, none at all, but they weren't were they ? And there is no reason why they couldn't have appointed a good manager again, and as they showed they were prepared to back him, you simply can't say that they wouldn't have bounced back. I'm not making any excuses for the damage Souness did either, I spent months telling people like Ozzie and numerous others who thought he would transform into the new Alex Ferguson just for getting rid of the "cancer" like Ferguson did at ManU that it just wouldn't be the case. I'm not bothered that the Halls and Shepherd went in essence, I did say once or twice that maybe they had taken the club as far as they could, its only that the replacements have got it all so wrong [and they have proved preferable to Ashley]. Better luck next time, and we need the good luck too, because the situation is the same. Nobody buying the club has a right to show ambition, we just have to hope that they have it and understand how its done. If its going to end, it should end here with that post. It wont though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I spent months telling people like Ozzie and numerous others who thought he would transform into the new Alex Ferguson just for getting rid of the "cancer" like Ferguson did at ManU that it just wouldn't be the case. ascribing preposterous made-up arguments to other people and generally talking out of my arse. FYP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northwestmag1892 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Been watching the toon from the early 70's and must say i never expected much as i was a kid and just loved going to the match with mates and seeing us beat the top clubs at the time over the years was an achievement ,so many downs but not many ups until KK came back and everything changed .Have seen a lot of s*** players in my time and some of the best dare i say world class and with sir John Hall taking over and giving us something to believe in i thought we had turned the corner but no we quickly let it slip with managers who just didnt work out and sir Bobby saved the day then it went tits up when we were so close to being serious challengers .Now we have to start again from scratch going into the unknown with the same hopes and fears ,so to say the worst time as a supporter i say yes cos the the thing is happening again uncertainty . Well said and I totally agree. It is just a shame that your post was lost in the never ending pissing competition from some of the others on this forum. FFS. FI's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Yes and no for me. The dark days of the late 70s and early80s seem an awfully long time ago. The game of Football has been replaced by the business of Football in many ways. Of course even back then there where the haves and have nots, richer and poorer clubs, but the introduction of the Champions League, dissolution of the UEFA cup and the huge amounts of money needed to truly compete make these dark days at our club very very worrying for me. Football is changed in so many ways and not all for the better imo. (from a fans perspective) Relegation to the lower divisions, if you dont bounce straight back, seems a changed experience. The championship must have at least 8/9? clubs who have been in the Circus of the Prem at one time. Competiton is fierce and I would seriously worry for us mid to longish term if we did go down....I dont think we will mind. The reality of it ,for me,is that we do have a poor/thin squad, in terms of challenging for the top 8/9/10 spots and we have shot ourselves in the foot...again, but compared to some of the other sides in the division,IF we can get 11 motivated palyers on the pitch, organised by a half competent management team, we should have enough to pull away from the bottom 3. We need to start pretty quickly imo mind.. but in all honesty relegation shouldnt be on the cards with what we have at our disposal.And if a quick sale, to sensible, well finaced new owners can be sorted out then who knows. Come January maybe we will have the backing to replace/strenghthen our squad and push on..providing the new owners also get the right manager in of course! And for me thats almost always been our major problem, selecting the right man for the top job.IMO our boards/owners have got the most important appointment wrong more times than theyve got it right, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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