Nobby Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Arsenal - Arsene Wenger Aston Villa - Martin O'Neill Blackburn Rovers - Paul Ince Bolton Wanderers - Gary Megson Chelsea - Phil Scolari Everton - David Moyes Fulham - Roy Hodgson Hull City - Phil Brown Liverpool - Rafael Benitez Manchester City - Mark Hughes Manchester United - Alex Ferguson Middlesbrough - Gareth Southgate Newcastle United - Joe Kinnear Portsmouth - Tony Adams Stoke City - Tony Pulis Sunderland - Roy Keane Tottenham Hotspur - Harry Redknapp West Bromwich Albion - Tony Mowbray West Ham United - Gianfranco Zola Wigan Athletic - Steve Bruce Roy Keane and Joe Kinnear are foreign Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 As is ONeill I thought he referenced these types of managers as 'home grown' in terms of where they applied their trade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 As is ONeill I thought he referenced these types of managers as 'home grown' in terms of where they applied their trade O'Neill isn't, he's British Kinnear and Keane are Irish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 As is ONeill I thought he referenced these types of managers as 'home grown' in terms of where they applied their trade O'Neill isn't, he's British Kinnear and Keane are Irish My bad you are right. I would still class Kinnear and Keane as 'home grown' managers on the basis of their playing career Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Arsenal - Arsene Wenger Aston Villa - Martin O'Neill Blackburn Rovers - Paul Ince Bolton Wanderers - Gary Megson Chelsea - Phil Scolari Everton - David Moyes Fulham - Roy Hodgson Hull City - Phil Brown Liverpool - Rafael Benitez Manchester City - Mark Hughes Manchester United - Alex Ferguson Middlesbrough - Gareth Southgate Newcastle United - Joe Kinnear Portsmouth - Tony Adams Stoke City - Tony Pulis Sunderland - Roy Keane Tottenham Hotspur - Harry Redknapp West Bromwich Albion - Tony Mowbray West Ham United - Gianfranco Zola Wigan Athletic - Steve Bruce Roy Keane and Joe Kinnear are foreign only four Premier League managers are foreigners in the true sense of the word Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novocastrian Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Depends on the club and circumstances. I don't think the circumstances at Newcastle now are ideal for a foreign manager. For where Spurs were last season, Ramos was the perfect appointment. They were the ones on the brink of the top 4, and no manager in this country has really had experience of doing that, whereas in Spain Ramos had done something similar with Sevilla. Now though rock-bottom, the safe option was Redknapp, who's had experience of getting clubs out of a hole. I think this is very true, no-one is expecting Redknapp to break into the top 4 not even Levy. The Spurs' "Ramos Project" has put the club back 5 years and all Redknapp is expected to do is get them out of the bottom three and into the top half of the table. The media are jumping out of their foreskins because their blue-eyed boy has finally been given a chance at a big club but Redknapp was not even on the agenda when Spurs were sniffing around Ramos. I think there is a perception that foreign managers think a bit more about the game and are better educated in footballing terms. The real acid test for British/Irish managers will be the next time Man Utd/Chelsea/Liverpool/Arsenal need a new manager. Will one of them take the plunge on a Mark Hughes, Roy Kean or Sam Allardyce (ok that one was a joke) or will they bring in a continental big name a la Mourinho etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Don't think question was ever about lack of UK managers. It was lack of success...for English managers in particular. An Englishman has not won the PL in a long while. And Redknapp was the first English manager to do it for some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 As is ONeill I thought he referenced these types of managers as 'home grown' in terms of where they applied their trade O'Neill isn't, he's British Kinnear and Keane are Irish O'Neill isn't British. He is, however, a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 As is ONeill I thought he referenced these types of managers as 'home grown' in terms of where they applied their trade O'Neill isn't, he's British Kinnear and Keane are Irish O'Neill isn't British. He is, however, a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The EU hasn't YET got its way about uniting the whole of Ireland - O'Neill is an Ulsterman, and as such, still classed as British ; until the six counties are part of the Irish Republic, N.I.is still part of Britain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 No matter how you slice it, O'Neill is simply not British. Northern Ireland is not Britain, as a mere glance at any UK passport will reveal: "The United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I don't really think the question is about debating whether or not Northern Ireland should be part of Britain. There's a whole other war about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Just trying to set confused posters right on a simple, easily verifiable point of fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 A mate of mine is from Norn Iron, and was technically British, but being a Catholic, he got himself an Irish passport as soon as he could when it became a lot easier a few years back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 A mate of mine is from Norn Iron, and was technically British, but being a Catholic, he got himself an Irish passport as soon as he could when it became a lot easier a few years back. No, he wasn't technically British. He was technically a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 A mate of mine is from Norn Iron, and was technically British, but being a Catholic, he got himself an Irish passport as soon as he could when it became a lot easier a few years back. No, he wasn't technically British. He was technically a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. But Rep of ireland northern ireland and Great Britain are all in the British Isles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 A mate of mine is from Norn Iron, and was technically British, but being a Catholic, he got himself an Irish passport as soon as he could when it became a lot easier a few years back. No, he wasn't technically British. He was technically a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Sorry, you're quite right. But now he's Irish (always was in his head). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 A mate of mine is from Norn Iron, and was technically British, but being a Catholic, he got himself an Irish passport as soon as he could when it became a lot easier a few years back. No, he wasn't technically British. He was technically a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. But Rep of ireland northern ireland and Great Britain are all in the British Isles. Yep. But that's geography, not politics/citizenship. Like being in Europe isn't the same as being in the European Union. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 A mate of mine is from Norn Iron, and was technically British, but being a Catholic, he got himself an Irish passport as soon as he could when it became a lot easier a few years back. No, he wasn't technically British. He was technically a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Sorry, you're quite right. But now he's Irish (always was in his head). Drifting ever further off topic, but can anyone from N. Ireland get an Irish passport, or is it a matter of ancestry/religion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Drifting back on topic, while I take Dave's point, and it's an interesting one, we still only have (as far as I can see) nine English managers in the English Premier League. A minority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBG Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 There have been a lot of foreign manager disasters that I think have put many chairman off employing foreigners. There are only a few I would trust to manage Newcastle, as I think many wouldn't be able to handle the pressure in the way Robson did. Souness, Roeder Allardyce and Keegan have all eventually succumbed to the pressure of being manager of Newcastle. I would worry as to whether a foreigner could handle the pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 There have been a lot of foreign manager disasters that I think have put many chairman off employing foreigners. There are only a few I would trust to manage Newcastle, as I think many wouldn't be able to handle the pressure in the way Robson did. Souness, Roeder Allardyce and Keegan have all eventually succumbed to the pressure of being manager of Newcastle. I would worry as to whether a foreigner could handle the pressure. Pointing out that four British managers have failed to tough it out is an odd way of arguing that a "foreigner" couldn't -- although of course Gullit didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 No matter how you slice it, O'Neill is simply not British. Northern Ireland is not Britain, as a mere glance at any UK passport will reveal: "The United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland." If it wasn't part of Britain, he wouldn't get a British passport - and that is what he will have. Also, because Scotland(which actually has MORE independent powers than N.I.- Tax-raising etc ) is classed as being at least as devolved as NI, are you then saying that SAF is 'not British'? He(and Alex Salmond) might argue that he WASN'T, but by your Passport definition, he IS British because Scotland is NOT mentioned as being a separate country.. I still maintain that O'Neill is technically British, even though he himself might deny that... As Wacko says, if he gets an Irish Passport , then he becomes Irish and therefore, technically foreign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" You DO understand the word "and", right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" You DO understand the word "and", right? Trinidad & Tobago is classed as one country isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" You DO understand the word "and", right? Trinidad & Tobago is classed as one country isn't it? Er... and? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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