bealios Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 More realistic is that we are trying to arrange sensible deals for Keane and Bentley, and 'Arry is saying no, but they might be willing to do a deal if Carroll was thrown into the picture. Testing our resolve to hang on to him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Totally depends on his ambition and the clubs ambition aligning. That's true, but generally speaking I believe Carroll wants to play for Newcastle and therefore it's about what the club do. His opinion will soon change if they decide he's there to be flogged at the first chance. People keep saying that he could dig his heels in but this hardly ever happens. If the club even entertain bids for him then their complete and utter lack of ambition is exposed, and that will change his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 for the moment i see no danger of ac9 going, he's playing for his boyhood club wearing the no 9 and getting into the england side, why would he want to leave now? of coarse that may change in the future and he may want to move up the footballing ladder in which case we'd better hope the club moves on up quick enough to match his ambition Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Totally depends on his ambition and the clubs ambition aligning. Can Tottenham ever get better than what they're currently at? I'd say they're at 95% of what they're capable of. Think the best they can ever be is a top 4 side occasionally with the odd Cup win. We're at about 60% of where we could be capable of, which in 4-5 years time could be where Spurs are now. If he's to leave us, it should be for a club like Man Utd, Chelsea, or God forbid, Man City, where he knows he's going to win stuff regularly in the next 10 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Banaloona Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 If we got 30m for him, I think they would sell. 22m plus 2 players I think they would sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 More realistic is that we are trying to arrange sensible deals for Keane and Bentley, and 'Arry is saying no, but they might be willing to do a deal if Carroll was thrown into the picture. Testing our resolve to hang on to him I think it will be Levy rather than 'Arry tbh - and yes I could well believe that's the negotiating tactic. We are well used to brinkmanship as can be seen with the original Ben Arfa loan deal, but Levy wrote the book on the subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdawson Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Totally depends on his ambition and the clubs ambition aligning. Can Tottenham ever get better than what they're currently at? I'd say they're at 95% of what they're capable of. Think the best they can ever be is a top 4 side occasionally with the odd Cup win. We're at about 60% of where we could be capable of, which in 4-5 years time could be where Spurs are now. If he's to leave us, it should be for a club like Man Utd, Chelsea, or God forbid, Man City, where he knows he's going to win stuff regularly in the next 10 years. I don't agree that we're currently at 95% of what we're capable of tbh. Providing Levy still backs us financially, we keep all our decent players and invest in a few positions, we can be much bigger then we are now in a few years. It all depends on other teams though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Don't see you ever being better than Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal & Chelsea which is why I reckon you'll never be more than a team which flirts with 4th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Honestly though, I don't want to sell him at any price. I know it doesn't work like that ('You'd be mental to turn that down!' etc) but even if the money was to go back into the squad, we wouldn't be improving. If Carroll is worth silly money then as the ones who brought him through it's us that need to feel the benefit of a silly money player. I don't want a cash reward, or any other player(s) in his place. Football is a business, but fuck that I'm a fan and I'm sentimental. Newcastle's new #9 is a Newcastle lad and he's starting to look bloody good. Let's not sell him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Totally depends on his ambition and the clubs ambition aligning. Can Tottenham ever get better than what they're currently at? I'd say they're at 95% of what they're capable of. Think the best they can ever be is a top 4 side occasionally with the odd Cup win. We're at about 60% of where we could be capable of, which in 4-5 years time could be where Spurs are now. If he's to leave us, it should be for a club like Man Utd, Chelsea, or God forbid, Man City, where he knows he's going to win stuff regularly in the next 10 years. I don't agree that we're currently at 95% of what we're capable of tbh. Providing Levy still backs us financially, we keep all our decent players and invest in a few positions, we can be much bigger then we are now in a few years. It all depends on other teams though. being honest and not intending to disparage spurs or anything i think its a matter of reach and i just can't see spurs consistently over the next 5-10 years challenging for the title competing for cl etc, few can without the kind of man city level of investment and sooner or later the real big sharks in the transfer market will come sniffing for bale, modric, van der vaart etc and their head could get turned if a man utd or real madrid (except in vdv case obviously) or barcelona wanted them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Honestly though, I don't want to sell him at any price. I know it doesn't work like that ('You'd be mental to turn that down!' etc) but even if the money was to go back into the squad, we wouldn't be improving. If Carroll is worth silly money then as the ones who brought him through it's us that need to feel the benefit of a silly money player. I don't want money, or any other player(s). I feel the same way. I love this lad and the way he is capturing everyone's imagination. And we are now starting to see all the kids with Carroll on the back of their shirts and no doubt trying to copy him on the pitch just like the generation above (Carroll included) did with Shearer before him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdawson Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Don't see you ever being better than Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal & Chelsea which is why I reckon you'll never be more than a team which flirts with 4th. Ok so you say Newcastle is at 60%. What is Newcastle United FC at 100% according to you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Don't see you ever being better than Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal & Chelsea which is why I reckon you'll never be more than a team which flirts with 4th. Ok so you say Newcastle is at 60%. What is Newcastle United FC at 100% according to you? Winning the World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 it would be a disaster if we sold him...hard to replace, sending the the wrong message to squad and fans etc. ...but im 100% sure he doesn´t want to leave the next 2-3 years...IF...he is a first regular and the club progresses steadily.....he is playing for his beloved club like shearer! ....if ashley is offered 30 mill + ....then i dont know what will happen...it is a lot of money! HE WILL NOT LEAVE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Honestly though, I don't want to sell him at any price. I know it doesn't work like that ('You'd be mental to turn that down!' etc) but even if the money was to go back into the squad, we wouldn't be improving. If Carroll is worth silly money then as the ones who brought him through it's us that need to feel the benefit of a silly money player. I don't want a cash reward, or any other player(s) in his place. Football is a business, but fuck that I'm a fan and I'm sentimental. Newcastle's new #9 is a Newcastle lad and he's starting to look bloody good. Let's not sell him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Everybody has a price at the right time in the right situation. But this is none of those. There is no compelling reason to sell as we're in a relatively decent financial position. Spurs are doing better than us now but are not historically a 'bigger' club. There is no reason we can't replicate what Spurs have done over the next 5 years if we make the right decisions - and the first right decision is to keep Andy Carroll. This isn't Man Utd or Barcelona. It's Spurs. There is a massive, massive difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Don't see you ever being better than Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal & Chelsea which is why I reckon you'll never be more than a team which flirts with 4th. Ok so you say Newcastle is at 60%. What is Newcastle United FC at 100% according to you? I'd say it's probably on the same par as Spurs at 100%. Flirting with 4th in the current climate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GeordieBatistuta Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Is Carroll still living with Nolan? Because if so wouldn't the courts have something to say in the hopefully unlikely event that he signed for spurs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Is Carroll still living with Nolan? Because if so wouldn't the courts have something to say in the hopefully unlikely event that he signed for spurs? Why? He could live with Ledley King then. Don't think he's living with Nolan anymore anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Would selling carroll be a move too far? Would there be a mass boycott or demonstrations? Would it have any effect on the fat bastard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Honestly though, I don't want to sell him at any price. I know it doesn't work like that ('You'd be mental to turn that down!' etc) but even if the money was to go back into the squad, we wouldn't be improving. If Carroll is worth silly money then as the ones who brought him through it's us that need to feel the benefit of a silly money player. I don't want a cash reward, or any other player(s) in his place. Football is a business, but f*** that I'm a fan and I'm sentimental. Newcastle's new #9 is a Newcastle lad and he's starting to look bloody good. Let's not sell him. I can definitely understand the sentiment and that is unquantifiable but why would we not improve if we got a more complete striker and use the money to get 1-2 more players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GeordieBatistuta Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 We probably could, but I think Carroll embodies the hope that top class players can continue to ply their trade at St James. Thing is, even if we did get 30 mill for Carroll - I dont know whether many 20 million pound strikers and their wages would want to come to Newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Totally depends on his ambition and the clubs ambition aligning. That's true, but generally speaking I believe Carroll wants to play for Newcastle and therefore it's about what the club do. His opinion will soon change if they decide he's there to be flogged at the first chance. People keep saying that he could dig his heels in but this hardly ever happens. If the club even entertain bids for him then their complete and utter lack of ambition is exposed, and that will change his own. It is down to the clubs actions to a certain extent but also his patience and MA/DL/AP's (madlap?) ability to keep his ego in check. If he says he wants to be winning things now/very soon ... we've no chance - Mike wouldn't operate in the manner needed to change the club like that immediately for anyone, muchless someone he can silence by selling for 30m (a realistic price if he keeps improving tbh). If he's content to be earnestly competing in cup competitions and fighting for European places ... that's a goal he and the club can work towards and accomplish during his prime. I agree he genuinely wants to play for us but I also think his head will be turned very easily if "safety" is as high as we aim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Don't see you ever being better than Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal & Chelsea which is why I reckon you'll never be more than a team which flirts with 4th. Ok so you say Newcastle is at 60%. What is Newcastle United FC at 100% according to you? I'd say it's probably on the same par as Spurs at 100%. Flirting with 4th in the current climate. Yep. Where we were 2001-3. Challenging top 4 with good Cup runs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Don't see you ever being better than Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal & Chelsea which is why I reckon you'll never be more than a team which flirts with 4th. Ok so you say Newcastle is at 60%. What is Newcastle United FC at 100% according to you? I'd say it's probably on the same par as Spurs at 100%. Flirting with 4th in the current climate. Yep. Where we were 2001-3. Challenging top 4 with good Cup runs. Don't really think this % talk makes much sense. I can see what you're trying to say but progress is perpetual, is it not? 100% for EFC in my mind is being where Barcelona are at the moment. I know there is close to zero chance of that happening in the next 10-20 years but that's my view of 100%. Realistically, pushing for the top 4 is where I can see our 'maximum' position being in the foreseeable future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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