Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 He really isn't a £35 million player though. This. Jayson's whole argument is based on 'well, Liverpool were stupid enough to pay that much'. So that means we should keep up? I'm glad you don't run our club, as you'd be a step above Shepherd in throwing money at problems and people. Two seperate clubs offer near 30 mill for the same lad. The best managers in the league have praised him & his potential. My argument is that we should have negotiated his wage. That if that meant other players would then come knocking if their price went up ridiculously, that we would then have to look at that situation seperately and decide whether they were worth it. If they were, id expect us to negotiate their wage also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Seems like everyone has forgotten the Jose Enriques, Tiotes and Ben Arfas of football. Football players who are cheap compared to their talent. Tiote for £3,5million is a steal. Enrique for £6million when he was a big talent is a steal. Ben Arfa for £5 million is a steal even if you considered all the problems he has caused, he's the most talented player at the club. Carroll for £0million was a steal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 pardew interview confirming that "all the money will be reinvested in the team" we'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Carroll was going to be getting increased wage in time. Could easily have waited until the Summer if that was his primary motivation. This is Sep 2008 all over again. No winners, we're just left with tarnished legacies and on the wrong side of varying degrees of cuntish behaviour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 How much do we need to spend in the summer to make this a good deal? If we hadnt sold him I would have hoped for £5-10m spent in January and £15m or so in the summer. Considering we only bought Ben Arfa and therefore made £30m in January that means I would be looking for £40m plus spent in the summer but I highly doubt that will happen. We need to and we will spend in the summer, but lets not get lost in figures it's the quality of the players that will count, not just their fees and therefore good scouting will be just as important as having loads of money to spend. Exactly - I'd rather have 4 or 5 signing of the cost of Tiote and Ben Arfa if they are of similar quality, than 2 or 3 at a cost of Owen, Martins or Luque! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Why? He'll only sell them as soon as £10m+ offers come in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 0. Club is happy to keep Carroll; Carroll is happy to stay. 1. £30m bid comes in from Liverpool. 2. £30m bid considered but rejected. 3. Carroll's agent starts talking to Liverpool regarding potential wages etc. 4. Carroll and agent go back to NUFC effectively saying 'Look, you now believe I'm worth more than £30m. As such I'm being offered twice the wages. You going to do anything about it?' 5. Club say no to any contract renewal, and tell player if he wants to leave to get those wages he'll have to request a transfer. 6. Player feels rejected and starts to think moving to Liverpool is a good idea, probably fueled by agent dreaming about his hefty cut. 7. £35m bid comes in. 8. NUFC seriously consider it. 9. Carroll sees this as confirmation they want to sell him, so asks to leave. 10. £35m bid accepted. 11. Deal done. point 9.....if he saw it as confirmation they want to sell him, why put in a transfer request ?...if the transfer is likely to happen anyway. Point 5? I meant it more in terms of not wanting him rather than confirmation they were going to sell. We can't discount the fact that he's still a local. That feeling of rejection (rightly or wrongly) must have been pretty bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Seems like everyone has forgotten the Jose Enriques, Tiotes and Ben Arfas of football. Football players who are cheap compared to their talent. Tiote for £3,5million is a steal. Enrique for £6million when he was a big talent is a steal. Ben Arfa for £5 million is a steal even if you considered all the problems he has caused, he's the most talented player at the club. Carroll for £0million was a steal. It was especially when we sold him for £36million But he still brought us shame, which the other ones havn't yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Seems like everyone has forgotten the Jose Enriques, Tiotes and Ben Arfas of football. Football players who are cheap compared to their talent. Tiote for £3,5million is a steal. Enrique for £6million when he was a big talent is a steal. Ben Arfa for £5 million is a steal even if you considered all the problems he has caused, he's the most talented player at the club. Carroll for £0million was a steal. Selling Carroll for £35 million was robbery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 0. Club is happy to keep Carroll; Carroll is happy to stay. 1. £30m bid comes in from Liverpool. 2. £30m bid considered but rejected. 3. Carroll's agent starts talking to Liverpool regarding potential wages etc. 4. Carroll and agent go back to NUFC effectively saying 'Look, you now believe I'm worth more than £30m. As such I'm being offered twice the wages. You going to do anything about it?' 5. Club say no to any contract renewal, and tell player if he wants to leave to get those wages he'll have to request a transfer. 6. Player feels rejected and starts to think moving to Liverpool is a good idea, probably fueled by agent dreaming about his hefty cut. 7. £35m bid comes in. 8. NUFC seriously consider it. 9. Carroll sees this as confirmation they want to sell him, so asks to leave. 10. £35m bid accepted. 11. Deal done. point 9.....if he saw it as confirmation they want to sell him, why put in a transfer request ?...if the transfer is likely to happen anyway. "I was in talks about a new contract and talking to the gaffer about that. He told me that they are now not going to give me a contract. That was as soon as the offer of £30m came in." So somewhere between 0 and 1 they were talking about a new contract. so as we were saying he put in the request because the club wouldn't make him the top earner 2 months (6 or so games) after agreeing a contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 that chamberlain kid at southampton. i wonder how many pay rises he's had in the last 6 months. your system wou;ld have him given a pay rise every time the sunday papers come out. If they wanted to build a team to win things & keep their best players & had the means to do so then they should react to what other clubs are willing to offer the lad if they want to keep him ofcourse. Otherwise they would lose him, as realistically they likely will at some point. Its very simple, if you dont negotiate you'll lose your best players as the player will nearly always go for the money if its being offered & they are being much more highly valued elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 0. Club is happy to keep Carroll; Carroll is happy to stay. 1. £30m bid comes in from Liverpool. 2. £30m bid considered but rejected. 3. Carroll's agent starts talking to Liverpool regarding potential wages etc. 4. Carroll and agent go back to NUFC effectively saying 'Look, you now believe I'm worth more than £30m. As such I'm being offered twice the wages. You going to do anything about it?' 5. Club say no to any contract renewal, and tell player if he wants to leave to get those wages he'll have to request a transfer. 6. Player feels rejected and starts to think moving to Liverpool is a good idea, probably fueled by agent dreaming about his hefty cut. 7. £35m bid comes in. 8. NUFC seriously consider it. 9. Carroll sees this as confirmation they want to sell him, so asks to leave. 10. £35m bid accepted. 11. Deal done. point 9.....if he saw it as confirmation they want to sell him, why put in a transfer request ?...if the transfer is likely to happen anyway. Point 5? I meant it more in terms of not wanting him rather than confirmation they were going to sell. We can't discount the fact that he's still a local. That feeling of rejection (rightly or wrongly) must have been pretty bad. feeling of rejection ? after wanting to be the top earner 2 months after alaready agreeing a contract. diddumz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I know I shouldn't get like this over a football forum, but Jayson's genuinely making me physically angry right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 that chamberlain kid at southampton. i wonder how many pay rises he's had in the last 6 months. your system wou;ld have him given a pay rise every time the sunday papers come out. If they wanted to build a team to win things & keep their best players & had the means to do so then they should react to what other clubs are willing to offer the lad if they want to keep him ofcourse. Otherwise they would lose him, as realistically they likely will at some point. Its very simple, if you dont negotiate you'll lose your best players as the player will nearly always go for the money if its being offered & they are being much more highly valued elsewhere. How much would you be willing to give Carroll? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Btw I'd be stunned if the recent disgraceful events surrounding Carlos Tevez and Wayne Rooney didn't play some part in this. His agent will undoubtedly have been telling him that the same would happen here. And if not, he gets a cracking move anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Disagree. Spurs current team is worth around £200m in transfermoney spend alone. Not much wheeler-dealer in that... Bentley around £17m Bent 16,5m Keane 16m Defoe 15m Pavlyuchenko 14m Palacios 12m Hutton 9m Gio 8,6m Just to name a few of from the current team.. They are spending like crazy. Don't know where the f*** they get all that money. Current team????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I know I shouldn't get like this over a football forum, but Jayson's genuinely making me physically angry right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 that chamberlain kid at southampton. i wonder how many pay rises he's had in the last 6 months. your system wou;ld have him given a pay rise every time the sunday papers come out. If they wanted to build a team to win things & keep their best players & had the means to do so then they should react to what other clubs are willing to offer the lad if they want to keep him ofcourse. Otherwise they would lose him, as realistically they likely will at some point. Its very simple, if you dont negotiate you'll lose your best players as the player will nearly always go for the money if its being offered & they are being much more highly valued elsewhere. it's very simple, the club thought he was taking the piss so early after agreeing a contract and thought the offer was too good to turn down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 that chamberlain kid at southampton. i wonder how many pay rises he's had in the last 6 months. your system wou;ld have him given a pay rise every time the sunday papers come out. If they wanted to build a team to win things & keep their best players & had the means to do so then they should react to what other clubs are willing to offer the lad if they want to keep him ofcourse. Otherwise they would lose him, as realistically they likely will at some point. Its very simple, if you dont negotiate you'll lose your best players as the player will nearly always go for the money if its being offered & they are being much more highly valued elsewhere. How much would you be willing to give Carroll? However much Liverpool offered. Like, if Man Utd came in and offered him £200k a week to move, we should give him £210k, yeah? Makes sense, it's his market worth, init. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 0. Club is happy to keep Carroll; Carroll is happy to stay. 1. £30m bid comes in from Liverpool. 2. £30m bid considered but rejected. 3. Carroll's agent starts talking to Liverpool regarding potential wages etc. 4. Carroll and agent go back to NUFC effectively saying 'Look, you now believe I'm worth more than £30m. As such I'm being offered twice the wages. You going to do anything about it?' 5. Club say no to any contract renewal, and tell player if he wants to leave to get those wages he'll have to request a transfer. 6. Player feels rejected and starts to think moving to Liverpool is a good idea, probably fueled by agent dreaming about his hefty cut. 7. £35m bid comes in. 8. NUFC seriously consider it. 9. Carroll sees this as confirmation they want to sell him, so asks to leave. 10. £35m bid accepted. 11. Deal done. point 9.....if he saw it as confirmation they want to sell him, why put in a transfer request ?...if the transfer is likely to happen anyway. Point 5? I meant it more in terms of not wanting him rather than confirmation they were going to sell. We can't discount the fact that he's still a local. That feeling of rejection (rightly or wrongly) must have been pretty bad. feeling of rejection ? after wanting to be the top earner 2 months after alaready agreeing a contract. diddumz. Come on man, you know football isn't like the rest of the sane world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 This Steve Wraith chap is getting about, he's talking to anyone who'll listen. Suppose it can only mean more people will phone up ToonTalk... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Btw I'd be stunned if the recent disgraceful events surrounding Carlos Tevez and Wayne Rooney didn't play some part in this. His agent will undoubtedly have been telling him that the same would happen here. And if not, he gets a cracking move anyway. crap "agenting" if thats the case as their weren't really any realistic bids for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 This Steve Wraith chap is getting about, he's talking to anyone who'll listen. Suppose it can only mean more people will phone up ToonTalk... He the bald idiot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGSC Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 that chamberlain kid at southampton. i wonder how many pay rises he's had in the last 6 months. your system wou;ld have him given a pay rise every time the sunday papers come out. If they wanted to build a team to win things & keep their best players & had the means to do so then they should react to what other clubs are willing to offer the lad if they want to keep him ofcourse. Otherwise they would lose him, as realistically they likely will at some point. Its very simple, if you dont negotiate you'll lose your best players as the player will nearly always go for the money if its being offered & they are being much more highly valued elsewhere. It's not so easy to anticipate a bid of 36 million, who was expecting that? For Carroll to come in on the last day of the transfer window and ask for a dramatic wage increase puts a heap of pressure on the club because going by your theory, they would have to agree right there and then to increase his wages by 40-50k or whatever it is, or ultimately lose him to the highest bidder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Btw I'd be stunned if the recent disgraceful events surrounding Carlos Tevez and Wayne Rooney didn't play some part in this. His agent will undoubtedly have been telling him that the same would happen here. And if not, he gets a cracking move anyway. That's what I give Carroll my last trust - he didn't want to leave but just want to do a Rooney to get a pay rise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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