Guest johnson293 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Tottenham just recently gave Bale a pay increase only 6 months after agreeing a 4 year contract, due to his performances in the champions league. This is without any bids even coming in for him or offers being put on the table. Yet for Carroll to think we might want to negotiate his contract, following him scoring or assisting in 10 of the 11 games he played since signing it & two bids upwards of 25m coming in + a huge pay increase etc means hes greedy/disloyal etc? Considering the investment in training him up from a kid? Considering sticking by him when he got into trouble? Considering he got the No.9 shirt? Considering he is injured? Considering we arent in the Champs league and only just got promited? Yes, that is greedy To a point yeah, hes no Angel & definately used the situation for his own benefit. Might have been worth meeting him half way still though. But why shouldn't Carroll wait until the summer then, and prove he can do it for a full season in the top flight before getting an increase? Its only another 6 months, and if we believe what was said, Torres wouldn't have been allowed to leave Liverpool yesterday if Carroll hadn't joined. So wait till the summer, and if the pay rise isn't what he wanted, then Liverpool would sign him then, if they rated him that highly! Seems loads of people think the club should have jumped through hoops to give a pay rise to a player who's had 6 decent months, but not that the player should have been prepared to wait until the summer, as the club asked him to. they didn't say they wouldn't review his contract, just not right now. Said it before - the money was clearly more important to AC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceMag Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's clear Ashley wanted: the money from the transfer > Andy Carroll. He just could have offered Andy Carroll an improved contract and he still would have been here. So was Carroll bigger than club then? And if they had given in to Carroll it is tantamount to giving every player in the squad an invitation to rush in and demand to renegotiate their contract. Just for the young players that establish themselves as key players for the team and a top player in the division. Could Ashly have done everything to keep Carrol? Yes. He could have paid him 200k a week, purchased him 15 houses in the bahamas, and a years supply of strippers, but that isnt the point is it? Its a management nightmare if you give in. Carrol isnt that special that he can demand an increase after a few months. Holy crap that is so presumptous. He had ample time to negotiate a 5 year contract. It's all about priorities, most Newcastle fans would say Carroll was worth more than 30,000 a week (in a footballing context, yes I know it is astronomical for most people) and most football fans in general would probably think that was quite a low basic wage for an England international with bags of potential. I'm sure Carroll would rather play for Newcastle than Liverpool and if Liverpool were offering 80,000 would he have accepted 60,000-70,000 at NUFC? Yes he was happy to sign a contract a few months ago but things change. Looks like he was using other club's interest to leverage a new deal. Would Ben Arfa, Nolan and Barton be knocking on Fat Ash's door demanding to upgrade their own deals? Possibly, we then need to work out who is worth the money and who is not. Those who we deem not worth the added investment can look elsewhere if a club is willing to pay them. I'll say one thing though, I know Carroll was worth the investment to this club but Fat Ash was not interested and we have now lost a real gem. Exactly, feel the same. Yep, same here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 1 Cristiano Ronaldo Manchester United Real Madrid £80 €93.5[4] 2009 £80m 2 Zlatan Ibrahimović[5] Internazionale Barcelona £56.5 €66[6][7] 2009 £57m 3 Kaká Milan Real Madrid £56 €64 2009 £56m 4 Fernando Torres Liverpool Chelsea £50[8] €58 2011 £50m 5 Zinedine Zidane Juventus Real Madrid £45 €75[9][10] 2001 £55m 6 Luís Figo Barcelona Real Madrid £37[11] €58.5 2000 £46m 7 Hernán Crespo[12] Parma Lazio £35.5[13] €55 2000 £45m 8 Andy Carroll Newcastle United Liverpool £35[14] €40 2011 £35m 9 David Villa Valencia Barcelona £34.2[15] €40 2010 £34m 10 Gianluigi Buffon[16] Parma Juventus £32.6[17] €49.2 2001 £40m 11 Robinho Real Madrid Manchester City £32.5[18] €49 2008 £32m 12 Christian Vieri Lazio Internazionale £32[19] €48.3 1999 £41m 13 Andriy Shevchenko Milan Chelsea £30.8 €46.4 2006 £33m 14 Dimitar Berbatov Tottenham Hotspur Manchester United £30.75 €46.4 2008 £31m Just a bit of perspective in case anyones missed it. That does make it clear. Unproven kid with an offer more than Villa and co? sheeesh. I would probably bite off that hand that offered 35mill. Sucks. But True. Absolutely right. Take away the sentiment (very hard to do so, I know) but in the end, this is what it's all about. Did Man Yoo really want to sell Ronaldo (forgetting for a moment his wish to leave)? Did Milan really want to sell Kaka? The fact of the matter is, if someone comes in with an offer too good to refuse it would be foolhardy for it not to even be considered. I'm no Ashley apologist, I'm really not, but quite simply we're not in a financial position to be able to turn down an offer like the one received for Carroll. But having let the dust settle a bit, £35mil is a good deal. One hopes that this will allow greater flexibility in the summer when it comes to bringing in new faces. That remains to be seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's funny how whenever things like this happen we all go through the same emptions each time. Denial, fear, anger then acceptance then hatred. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The only thing that was making me even the slightest bit inclined to side with Carroll on this was the fact we'd given him a flat out 'no' to a new contract. Now that it's come out we offered to renegotiate it at the end of the season (about 8 months into a 5 and a half year deal - which in my opinion is very reasonable) then I have no sympathy for Carroll at all and wish him abject failure for the bin dippers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I have to say, Carroll still tugs some sympathy from me simply because he's a young lad jumping out one frying pan into another massive and alien frying pan and I can't help but feel that this whole thing must be totally overwhelming for him. He looked shell shocked at his medical. /This feeling will probably last just about up until he cracks in his first goal for the bin dipping c**ts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I have to say, Carroll still tugs some sympathy from me simply because he's a young lad jumping out one frying pan into another massive and alien frying pan and I can't help but feel that this whole thing must be totally overwhelming for him. He looked shell shocked at his medical. Bet he had alot of doubts and his mind would have been fucked during the whole thing. I wonder how he'll fair off the pitch and also on it without the support of our group Nolan, Barton etc. I can see him going off the rails tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Andy Carroll cost more than David Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 But why shouldn't Carroll wait until the summer then, and prove he can do it for a full season in the top flight before getting an increase? Its only another 6 months, and if we believe what was said, Torres wouldn't have been allowed to leave Liverpool yesterday if Carroll hadn't joined. So wait till the summer, and if the pay rise isn't what he wanted, then Liverpool would sign him then, if they rated him that highly! Seems loads of people think the club should have jumped through hoops to give a pay rise to a player who's had 6 decent months, but not that the player should have been prepared to wait until the summer, as the club asked him to. they didn't say they wouldn't review his contract, just not right now. Said it before - the money was clearly more important to AC. Ofcourse it was important to him, big offer was on the table and he got swayed by it. Potentially the same offer wouldnt be on the table in the summer at newc or elsewhere, maybe his form wouldnt have held up as well. His injury etc This was a good chance for him. I just think he was worth it & that the club should have seen that. Liverpool did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Andy Carroll cost more than David Villa. World cup winner Scores goals for many seasons Cost less than a kid who went on a good run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tdeans Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I have to say, Carroll still tugs some sympathy from me simply because he's a young lad jumping out one frying pan into another massive and alien frying pan and I can't help but feel that this whole thing must be totally overwhelming for him. He looked shell shocked at his medical. Bet he had alot of doubts and his mind would have been f***ed during the whole thing. I wonder how he'll fair off the pitch and also on it without the support of our group Nolan, Barton etc. I can see him going off the rails tbh. Definantly, he'll be doing life this time next year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Andy Carroll cost more than David Villa. Darren Bent cost more than Henry in 2006. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I have to say, Carroll still tugs some sympathy from me simply because he's a young lad jumping out one frying pan into another massive and alien frying pan and I can't help but feel that this whole thing must be totally overwhelming for him. He looked shell shocked at his medical. Bet he had alot of doubts and his mind would have been f***ed during the whole thing. I wonder how he'll fair off the pitch and also on it without the support of our group Nolan, Barton etc. I can see him going off the rails tbh. Definantly, he'll be doing life this time next year He won't be exactly welcomed back on Tyneside as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Andy Carroll cost more than David Villa. The most expensive English player ever and he's had what, 5 good months in the Premier League? It really is madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 F*** Carroll. I hope his whip gets cut off and he looses all of his powers. In my latest nap I dreamt that Carroll broke Gerrards jaw in a trainingground bust-up, then got beat up by Carragher ending up with a seasonending injury. And.. ...in 3 years we sell Ranger for 40m. Newcastle richer and about 500 tattoos poorer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Even if 20M of that is reinvested properly, it could be a very good deal for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spizz energi Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 We started the season with the most promising young manager in British football and the most promising forward in British football. Today we have neither. Ashley should change his name to Marty McFly, he's gone back to the fucking 80s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I have to say, Carroll still tugs some sympathy from me simply because he's a young lad jumping out one frying pan into another massive and alien frying pan and I can't help but feel that this whole thing must be totally overwhelming for him. He looked shell shocked at his medical. Bet he had alot of doubts and his mind would have been f***ed during the whole thing. I wonder how he'll fair off the pitch and also on it without the support of our group Nolan, Barton etc. I can see him going off the rails tbh. Definantly, he'll be doing life this time next year He won't be exactly welcomed back on Tyneside as well. and he will be back. Can see him 'doing a Chopra' and making regular trips back when time allows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Tbf he has looked pretty shit hot and if he continues as he is (and theres nowt to suggest he wont) then he'll be 1 of the top Premiership strikers for years to come. Although I doubt he'll ever reach the hights of Villa he is like 6-7 years younger, which has to be a factor when determening a players price (Villa has little sell on value for example, whereas Carroll's price may very well increase). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Even if 20M of that is reinvested properly, it could be a very good deal for us. Yeah our scouting team seems to be shit hot now. With a good chunk of money lets see what they can do. 3-4 players in the summer and next season well be established as a top 10 vlub maybe top 8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Might have been posted earlier, but: http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/2011-02-01/andy-carroll-first-day-liverpool-video-footage :'( What's with the horrific fucking music? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Andy Carroll cost more than David Villa. Darren Bent cost more than Henry in 2006. No, he didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Fucking hell, reading about the new developments makes it seem like Pardew & co were at fault. I reckon Carroll could have stayed if he really wanted but if he was asked to hand in a transfer request then what's he supposed to do? Still don't quite understand but I can't help but feel Pardew has done a wrong 'un here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Andy Carroll cost more than David Villa. Darren Bent cost more than Henry in 2006. No, he didn't. 2007 apologies was when they moved. Bent cost 18M, Henry 16M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Fucking hell, reading about the new developments makes it seem like Pardew & co were at fault. I reckon Carroll could have stayed if he really wanted but if he was asked to hand in a transfer request then what's he supposed to do? Still don't quite understand but I can't help but feel Pardew has done a wrong 'un here. It's more of the other way now tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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