Keefaz Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 If anyone want to ask me about swimming, I've got my 200m badge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooonDoom Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 So if Ashley is found to be in the wrong and Keegan wins, it's not actually Ashley's fault that the club will lose that money, it's Keegan's fault for persuing his legal entitlements? What difference does it make who's fault it is? What are the repercussions for the club is what bothers me. Indeed. Who gives a crap who is right is some legal pissing contest between Ashley and Keegan (or more factually Keegan vs NUFC). What I care about is the 10million and where that comes from. We are in being run against what looks like a very tight budget (missing out on loan signings etc). If we're lose ten million quid due to this we could be fucked in terms of betting promoted. And again despite who is right or wrong in the argument. Keegan has chosen to sue the club. We were relegated and obviously financially stuffed and Keegan still continued with his legal case. Keegan was offered 4 million (allegedly) and he still carries on with his legal case to make an extra couple million. All for personal gain. IMO this makes Keegan a cunt on equal footing with Ashely if not worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Firstly, get your facts right. Keegan was never a coach. He was a manager, He had very little to do with coaching other than joining in in 5 a side games. During his first spell at the club, Fazackerley was his coach and subsequently followed him to most of his appointments after that. Furthermore, wherever he has gone, he has been given substantial funds to buy players, as you well know, and has failed to win anything, as you also well know. Keegan even admits himself that he is tactically niave and was one of the reasons he gave up the England job. We also remember how under his management of England, the failure to win games against Portugal and Rumania from being 2-0 up in the euros, not to mention the number of games we were ahead in during 95 only to succumb to the opposition because he had no idea how to defend. Yes, I have coached a number of players currently playing around europe at a high level including McDonald at Celtic and Grella at Blackburn. What I have done in coaching is nothing to do with this discussion though, although, suffice to say, I am well qualified to comment as I have donne all my coaching badges. I saw some of the sessions they used to have though and they certainly weren't all held by Fazackerley. So if Faz done all fo the coaching back then is he the main reason as to why a lof the players we had back then all developed into the players they were at that time? As that is the point I was getting at. I apologise for not being as techincal in this area as yourself as I obviously don't come from that level as you do. I agree he wasn't up to the England job as he himself said. Yet I wouldn't call the 4-3-3 he played with us naive would you? Also he wasn't exactly given substantian funds his second time here. As you well know. Also for a manager who had no idea how to defend, we still had the second best defensive record in the league that year. You still haven't answered my question about why you hold Keegan in such disdain though and won't give him any credit at all for what he done for us. I know you've always felt this way about him even before all of this. Just trying to ascertain why, as he deserves credit for what he done for us the first time around without a doubt. And you are an insightful member who knows what he is on about, which is why I'm wondering about your inability to give any dues whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Cliche bingo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Cliche bingo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 "Two fat ladies ....GM and Billytray" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I went to a few of the open training sessions and KK oversaw quite a fair bit of the coaching, although not so much with the defensive side. Remember coaching also encompasses many things from the setting up of sessions to analysing what go's on during them. KK was very much a coach in that respect and a damn good one as a whole host of players who have worked for him have testified to over the years, quite a few of them foreign players. When we reappointed him SSN asked a host of those such players what their thoughts were and not one of them had anything bad to say about him or his methods and I particularly remember Anelka praising him highly. Regarding coaching itself, you will find Fergie, Wenger and O'Niell among others don't get too involved in the coaching side of things and most managers don't really, that's why they have assistants. As for the general theme of some of the comments in here regarding KK's apparent selfishness... the irony. OMG KK is taking money out of OUR club, the selfish bastard, how dare he. Yet you want him to give up a few quid all because you don't want any money leaving your club? Selfish or what?! Get real people FFS. KK has every right to go for any money that could be owed to him in the same way Mike Ashley has every right to ask for whatever he feels he can get for the club. This is why we are fans and they are managers or owners or even players. We can never ever detach ourselves from what's in our blood (the club), whereas they can and guess what, no matter their connection, affinity or whatever, when reality calls, these people will. From Shay Given to Kevin Keegan all the way to Alan Shearer. We would do the very same.... if we lived in reality. We don't though (or can never), otherwise we'd have given up on NUFC and football a long time ago because their is fuck all rational or normal about being a supporter, fuck all, we're fucking mental the lot of us. But hey, when your team wins 4-0 away from home to go top of the table, its all worth it. Back to KK, he has since been proved right to have left the complete and utter shambles that is the people who own and run our club. KK opened fans' eyes to the reality of life under Ashley and co, its about time a lot of people in here faced up to the realm of reality now, which is KK has every right to go for whatever he feels he is entitled to. We need to stop being so fucking precious about everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I don't care about individuals, I want what's best for Newcastle United. Blame and arguments aside, if Keegan getting this compensation was going to hurt us financially then I wouldn't want him to win it (Not that I think the money is going to have that big of an effect like) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 do we know when we can expect a verdict? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 i went to a few coaching sessions in keegans first stint here and he was involved in almost every aspect. particularly focusing on the basics,technique,pass and move. tactics being massivly over rated. the best managers (ie ferguson,wenger etc) have all been know to fuck things up when trying to be too clever and tactical and moving away from stopping their teams just going out and doing what they do best. no better example than ferguson in last seasons champs league final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 i went to a few coaching sessions in keegans first stint here and he was involved in almost every aspect. particularly focusing on the basics,technique,pass and move. tactics being massivly over rated. the best managers (ie ferguson,wenger etc) have all been know to fuck things up when trying to be too clever and tactical and moving away from stopping their teams just going out and doing what they do best. no better example than ferguson in last seasons champs league final. Get your facts right though madras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I went to a few of the open training sessions and KK oversaw quite a fair bit of the coaching, although not so much with the defensive side. Remember coaching also encompasses many things from the setting up of sessions to analysing what go's on during them. KK was very much a coach in that respect and a damn good one as a whole host of players who have worked for him have testified to over the years, quite a few of them foreign players. When we reappointed him SSN asked a host of those such players what their thoughts were and not one of them had anything bad to say about him or his methods and I particularly remember Anelka praising him highly. Regarding coaching itself, you will find Fergie, Wenger and O'Niell among others don't get too involved in the coaching side of things and most managers don't really, that's why they have assistants. As for the general theme of some of the comments in here regarding KK's apparent selfishness... the irony. OMG KK is taking money out of OUR club, the selfish b******, how dare he. Yet you want him to give up a few quid all because you don't want any money leaving your club? Selfish or what?! Get real people FFS. KK has every right to go for any money that could be owed to him in the same way Mike Ashley has every right to ask for whatever he feels he can get for the club. This is why we are fans and they are managers or owners or even players. We can never ever detach ourselves from what's in our blood (the club), whereas they can and guess what, no matter their connection, affinity or whatever, when reality calls, these people will. From Shay Given to Kevin Keegan all the way to Alan Shearer. We would do the very same.... if we lived in reality. We don't though (or can never), otherwise we'd have given up on NUFC and football a long time ago because their is f*** all rational or normal about being a supporter, f*** all, we're f***ing mental the lot of us. But hey, when your team wins 4-0 away from home to go top of the table, its all worth it. Back to KK, he has since been proved right to have left the complete and utter shambles that is the people who own and run our club. KK opened fans' eyes to the reality of life under Ashley and co, its about time a lot of people in here faced up to the realm of reality now, which is KK has every right to go for whatever he feels he is entitled to. We need to stop being so f***ing precious about everything. Good post. However, what people have to ask themselves is that if they are willing to be so blunt and open about how they hate Mike Ashley (who has done f*** all to them personally but had a massive effect on the club) they at least have to consider how Keegan could effect the club, and have to have some sort of discontent about his apparent decision to go through with this case. It would be double-standards to hate one with a passion and to not even temporarily dislike the other. Obviously Keegan has done so much more for us as a club in the past, which I'm sure we can all be grateful for, but this certaintly doesn't mean he can get out of a scenario like this clean of criticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SupermacTheLegend Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Im sure there was a Clause in his contract to say that if we sacked him, we had to pay him 2 Million, but if he walked he had to pay us 2 Million...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Im sure there was a Clause in his contract to say that if we sacked him, we had to pay him 2 Million, but if he walked he had to pay us 2 Million...? Have you been on another planet for the past 12 months?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Im sure there was a Clause in his contract to say that if we sacked him, we had to pay him 2 Million, but if he walked he had to pay us 2 Million...? Have you been on another planet for the past 12 months?! Perhaps the club should launch a counter claim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Im sure there was a Clause in his contract to say that if we sacked him, we had to pay him 2 Million, but if he walked he had to pay us 2 Million...? Have you been on another planet for the past 12 months?! Perhaps the club should launch a counter claim. so it took 1846 posts to get back to square 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Im sure there was a Clause in his contract to say that if we sacked him, we had to pay him 2 Million, but if he walked he had to pay us 2 Million...? Have you been on another planet for the past 12 months?! Perhaps the club should launch a counter claim. so it took 1846 posts to get back to square 1. So, why did Curbishley not sue West Ham then, eh? Eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Im sure there was a Clause in his contract to say that if we sacked him, we had to pay him 2 Million, but if he walked he had to pay us 2 Million...? Have you been on another planet for the past 12 months?! Perhaps the club should launch a counter claim. so it took 1846 posts to get back to square 1. So, why did Curbishley not sue West Ham then, eh? Eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Im sure there was a Clause in his contract to say that if we sacked him, we had to pay him 2 Million, but if he walked he had to pay us 2 Million...? Have you been on another planet for the past 12 months?! Perhaps the club should launch a counter claim. so it took 1846 posts to get back to square 1. We've not left square one really, have we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 However, what people have to ask themselves is that if they are willing to be so blunt and open about how they hate Mike Ashley (who has done f*** all to them personally but had a massive effect on the club) they at least have to consider how Keegan could effect the club, and have to have some sort of discontent about his apparent decision to go through with this case. It would be double-standards to hate one with a passion and to not even temporarily dislike the other. Obviously Keegan has done so much more for us as a club in the past, which I'm sure we can all be grateful for, but this certaintly doesn't mean he can get out of a scenario like this clean of criticism. What has Keegan done wrong though? He walked out of the job after being undermined and lied to. What happened afterwards was all down to the board being incompetent. Him wanting compensation is what every manager does, and even if its excessive I don't blame him after the attempted smear campaign in the press by those running the club - people with no business being in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Just a personal point of view but i do think there's a grain or two of truth in the "madness of King Kev" stories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 However, what people have to ask themselves is that if they are willing to be so blunt and open about how they hate Mike Ashley (who has done f*** all to them personally but had a massive effect on the club) they at least have to consider how Keegan could effect the club, and have to have some sort of discontent about his apparent decision to go through with this case. It would be double-standards to hate one with a passion and to not even temporarily dislike the other. Obviously Keegan has done so much more for us as a club in the past, which I'm sure we can all be grateful for, but this certaintly doesn't mean he can get out of a scenario like this clean of criticism. What has Keegan done wrong though? He walked out of the job after being undermined and lied to. What happened afterwards was all down to the board being incompetent. Him wanting compensation is what every manager does, and even if its excessive I don't blame him after the attempted smear campaign in the press by those running the club - people with no business being in football. Keegan is supposed to love the club, and by loving the club and area I would at least expect them not to fuck both up for the sake of a few bob. I'm sure King Kev and his family are fucking loaded and don't particularly need all this cash... If he weren't to fuck the fans over by basically helping us go into administration, then he would become far more popular again...and maybe his intentions as our manager the second time round would become slightly more believable... Like previously mentioned - he cannot be totally innocent in it all...surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 i went to a few coaching sessions in keegans first stint here and he was involved in almost every aspect. particularly focusing on the basics,technique,pass and move. tactics being massivly over rated. the best managers (ie ferguson,wenger etc) have all been know to f*** things up when trying to be too clever and tactical and moving away from stopping their teams just going out and doing what they do best. no better example than ferguson in last seasons champs league final. Get your facts right though madras. what facts did i get wrong. ?. (typing thtough a massivly induced red wine haze here mind) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brummiemag Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 So if Ashley is found to be in the wrong and Keegan wins, it's not actually Ashley's fault that the club will lose that money, it's Keegan's fault for persuing his legal entitlements? What difference does it make who's fault it is? What are the repercussions for the club is what bothers me. Indeed. Who gives a crap who is right is some legal pissing contest between Ashley and Keegan (or more factually Keegan vs NUFC). What I care about is the 10million and where that comes from. We are in being run against what looks like a very tight budget (missing out on loan signings etc). If we're lose ten million quid due to this we could be fucked in terms of betting promoted. And again despite who is right or wrong in the argument. Keegan has chosen to sue the club. We were relegated and obviously financially stuffed and Keegan still continued with his legal case. Keegan was offered 4 million (allegedly) and he still carries on with his legal case to make an extra couple million. All for personal gain. IMO this makes Keegan a cunt on equal footing with Ashely if not worse. Really, '"Keegan a cunt on an equal footing with Ashley if not worse". Tell me are you ignorant, too young to remember or are you a Sunderland fan? Serious question It seems to be typical of a significant percentage of posts on here. Thankfully I think you represent only a tiny proportion of Newcastle fans. In my experience of talking to Newcastle fans at games, particularly the travelling supporters, your views and other views similar to yours have no credibility whatsoever, in fact they are quite offensive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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