Robster Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 He is a cunt. Evidence? < < < < Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 He is a cunt. Evidence? < < < < What's Sonic Liam got to do with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 He is a cunt. Evidence? < < < < What's Sonic Liam got to do with it? i hadnt quite thought the quoting thing through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 What's Sonic Liam got to do with it? I just noticed when I looked at my post that it looked completely out of place Damn. Just made me chuckle that was all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 If people are so unsure over what his duties are, or should be, and what he's currently doing, then how is it possible to apportion blame? We're in the shit but just how much of it can 100%, incontrovertibly be traced back to him and him alone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 If people are so unsure over what his duties are, or should be, and what he's currently doing, then how is it possible to apportion blame? We're in the s*** but just how much of it can 100%, incontrovertibly be traced back to him and him alone? i blame ashley more than wise... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I was looking at Wise's current influence on proceeding rather than the influence he had on Keegan's departure. The parties obviously didn't want to air it's dirty laundry in public and that's why we can only base our opinion on media speculation and the very breif statements we were given by the club and the LMA. Yet from these things people have managed to villainise and develop Wise as a hate figure. We really don't know if Wise himself was hugely influential in the departure himself. For me it's a case of people wanting a figure to point the finger at and Wise fits the bill perfectly. And also you can't be a good scout based on who you've managed? What a load of bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I can tell you what he is though, he's a dwarf a dwarf.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I can tell you what he is though, he's a dwarf a dwarf.... its plain to see, to see.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 He is a cunt. Evidence? Playing career You win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 There's absolutely nothing wrong in a club 'owning' the scouting system that it uses to identify players that are suitable for recruitment; in principle, therefore, an appointment like the Wise one is a sensible move. When a manager is recruited they usually appoint a large proportion of their staff and conversely, when they leave, take those staff, or a significant number of them, with them. Those staff should not include the recruiters of players; player recruitment should be a seamless, continuous affair. Problems can arise when the scouts are working to different criteria to the manager in recruitment of senior players, either recruiting players of a type not wanted by the manager or recruiting too young players, or a combination of both those issues. The manager would have been recruited because they are successful, or it's perceived that they will be successful, because of the way that they go about their job, that is construct a team. In the recruitment of senior players (who, how many, for what position) it is clear that the manager's view should be paramount as it is they who will be judged on the basis of team performance which is not to say that their every wish should be granted. This is what I believe happened to to us; on the last day of the season we recruited Xisco, who may be a talented player, and a free transfer who was soon crocked. We all knew what KK knew and that was we were short at full-back and, more than any other position, we have struggled there all season. Wise is the director with responsibility for football matters and this clearly includes recruitment. He must bear the responsibiliy for player recruitment and this season has shown how short (no pun intended) he has come up in respect of that. If player recruitment had been right even Keegan going would not have led to the poorly constructed squad we now have (something which JFK chose to blame on previous managers which, in Keegan's case, was grossly unfair given the presence of Wise at the club from February onwards). So, I think Wise's performance in a well thought-out position has been relatively poor and that has been disruptive. If he had performed better then Keegan may still have gone but the squad left behind would have been better balanced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Anyone fancy defining his role with accuracy? I'm not convinced either of our managers since he came in can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I was looking at Wise's current influence on proceeding rather than the influence he had on Keegan's departure. The parties obviously didn't want to air it's dirty laundry in public and that's why we can only base our opinion on media speculation and the very breif statements we were given by the club and the LMA. Yet from these things people have managed to villainise and develop Wise as a hate figure. We really don't know if Wise himself was hugely influential in the departure himself. For me it's a case of people wanting a figure to point the finger at and Wise fits the bill perfectly. And also you can't be a good scout based on who you've managed? What a load of bollocks. wise wasn't a scout??? isn't he?? ne DoF right? didn't DoF position at other club ex: real madrid. the position is higher than the manager certainly. unfortunately i think keegan not aware of this situation when he first signed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Anyone fancy defining his role with accuracy? I'm not convinced either of our managers since he came in can. it appears to change to suit Ashleys, transfer avoidance policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Anyone fancy defining his role with accuracy? http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html NEWCASTLE United announces that Dennis Wise has agreed to join the Club in the role of Executive Director (Football). Also joining the Club are Tony Jimenez as Vice President (Player Recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid in the position of Technical Co-ordinator. Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman. Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment. The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team. Chairman Chris Mort said: "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the Club as manager. "Two of the conclusions of our strategic review, since acquiring the Club, were that the Club would benefit from having a football person involved at Board level, which it has not had historically, and that further senior resources are needed for recruiting players of the highest quality from this country and further afield. "Dennis would like to move away from day-to-day football management to a Board role and, with his considerable energy and intelligence, we believe he will do very well in this new position. "With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term. One or two further key appointments will follow in the months ahead." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Anyone fancy defining his role with accuracy? http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html NEWCASTLE United announces that Dennis Wise has agreed to join the Club in the role of Executive Director (Football). Also joining the Club are Tony Jimenez as Vice President (Player Recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid in the position of Technical Co-ordinator. Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman.Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment. The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team. Chairman Chris Mort said: "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the Club as manager. "Two of the conclusions of our strategic review, since acquiring the Club, were that the Club would benefit from having a football person involved at Board level, which it has not had historically, and that further senior resources are needed for recruiting players of the highest quality from this country and further afield. "Dennis would like to move away from day-to-day football management to a Board role and, with his considerable energy and intelligence, we believe he will do very well in this new position. "With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term. One or two further key appointments will follow in the months ahead." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fading star Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Anyone fancy defining his role with accuracy? http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html NEWCASTLE United announces that Dennis Wise has agreed to join the Club in the role of Executive Director (Football). Also joining the Club are Tony Jimenez as Vice President (Player Recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid in the position of Technical Co-ordinator. Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman. Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment. The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team. Chairman Chris Mort said: "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the Club as manager. "Two of the conclusions of our strategic review, since acquiring the Club, were that the Club would benefit from having a football person involved at Board level, which it has not had historically, and that further senior resources are needed for recruiting players of the highest quality from this country and further afield. "Dennis would like to move away from day-to-day football management to a Board role and, with his considerable energy and extra thick skin, we believe he will do very well in this new position. "With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term. One or two further key appointments will follow in the months ahead." What was the other part? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Precisely. At varying points that statement has been proved unclear at best and total bollocks at worst. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Anyone fancy defining his role with accuracy? http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html NEWCASTLE United announces that Dennis Wise has agreed to join the Club in the role of Executive Director (Football). Also joining the Club are Tony Jimenez as Vice President (Player Recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid in the position of Technical Co-ordinator. Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman.Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment. The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team. Chairman Chris Mort said: "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the Club as manager. "Two of the conclusions of our strategic review, since acquiring the Club, were that the Club would benefit from having a football person involved at Board level, which it has not had historically, and that further senior resources are needed for recruiting players of the highest quality from this country and further afield. "Dennis would like to move away from day-to-day football management to a Board role and, with his considerable energy and intelligence, we believe he will do very well in this new position. "With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term. One or two further key appointments will follow in the months ahead." x 1000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 To be fair, he seems to be going about his business without causing any obvious disruptions. We are picking up promising youngsters. I don't care if he was a nasty little sh!t when he was a player, he seems to be doing a decent job now and, as long as we continue to improve our Academy, long may he do so. There is nothing to suggest that he interfered with any first team transfer activity, as everything mentioned in the media was pure speculation and has yet to be proved/disproved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 These statements are so ambiguous, it could be easily argued either way what they mean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I can tell you what he is though, he's a dwarf a dwarf.... its plain to see, to see.... He's shorter than you and me.... (but not Dave) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Precisely. At varying points that statement has been proved unclear at best and total bollocks at worst. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Anyone fancy defining his role with accuracy? I'm not convinced either of our managers since he came in can. My interpretation is that he's primarily youth based but also suggests players for the first team as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Anyone fancy defining his role with accuracy? I'm not convinced either of our managers since he came in can. My interpretation is that he's primarily youth based but also suggests players for the first team as well. so where does laying the law down to Kevin keegan, having turned up late smelling of drink come into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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