Llambias Q&A with Chronicle: OP updated with Thursday's articles

[fredbob]

Get back in your own thread NE5.

 

nowt to say then ?

 

 

Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton.

 

on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him.

 

When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ?

 

 

 

It's a lottery getting a good manager?

 

No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill.

 

is it now ?

 

We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson.

 

Or Everton replace Moyes ..........

 

 

 

Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory.

 

Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual.

 

you mean "realistic", as usual. Which also, as usual, too many people fail to grasp.

 

 

were you happy with the kinnear appointment ?

 

hey getting a good manager is a lottery right,surely theres as much chance getting a s*** one to turn out good results as there is a good one turning out bad to your thinking or maybe you are piffling again in anattempt to detect any criticism from the your beloved fred ?

 

(conversly it must work with players aswell...shevchenko,veron,woodgate at real,keane at liverpool......good players who didn't do it so surely it means it's pointless spending big as these players prove it works)

 

 

i'll stop you in your tracks........."back your manager"............what with ? where was the money going to come from......at this point you mention the debt of others and as always i mention the debt of the top 4 is different to ours as they are making money aside from those with sugar daddies where as we have consistently made losses (not a good scenario when begging to the banks with few assets left to hock). look at the other clubs who,like us have lived beyond their means,they are all cutting right back and ask yourself what liverpools or arsenals spending would be like if they missed out on the champs league for 3 or 4 years ?

 

often on here you have alluded to others having thir heads in the sand but it is clear the one one doing an ostrich is yourself in relation to the position fred left us in.

 

silly.

 

Especially when there are still people hell bent on defending Ashley to the bitter end, and I mean bitter end = relegation and with little chance of coming back.

 

Pleased for you that you still appear to write off all those european qualifications and champions league appearances and the manner in which they were achieved.

 

Still, nobody is "embarrassing us" any more, right ?

 

 

BORING !

 

we've covered the euro qualifications to death as that has little to do with the position we were in spring 2007.

 

defending ashley to the bitter end......like you defending fred ?

 

i never mentioned being embarassed by fred's utterences.

 

 

nice to see you keep your head in the sand re our position when fred left.

 

you mentioned Shepherd, not me, with a silly childish comment.

 

Yep, I will "defend" anybody who gave me the only 15 years out of 45 that tried to compete at the levels this club should always compete at, and thus gave me the best most consistent and highest league positions as a result.  As I've said before. 

 

 

 

Incidentally what is wrong to defending someone who's fixing the probelms that were caused by the previous board? ITs a simple eqaution for you, gamble now or sacrifice ambition, the reality isnt as simple as that.

[STM]

Get back in your own thread NE5.

 

nowt to say then ?

 

 

Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton.

 

on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him.

 

When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ?

 

 

 

It's a lottery getting a good manager?

 

No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill.

 

is it now ?

 

We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson.

 

Or Everton replace Moyes ..........

 

 

 

Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory.

 

Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual.

 

you mean "realistic", as usual. Which also, as usual, too many people fail to grasp.

 

 

were you happy with the kinnear appointment ?

 

hey getting a good manager is a lottery right,surely theres as much chance getting a s*** one to turn out good results as there is a good one turning out bad to your thinking or maybe you are piffling again in anattempt to detect any criticism from the your beloved fred ?

 

(conversly it must work with players aswell...shevchenko,veron,woodgate at real,keane at liverpool......good players who didn't do it so surely it means it's pointless spending big as these players prove it works)

 

 

i'll stop you in your tracks........."back your manager"............what with ? where was the money going to come from......at this point you mention the debt of others and as always i mention the debt of the top 4 is different to ours as they are making money aside from those with sugar daddies where as we have consistently made losses (not a good scenario when begging to the banks with few assets left to hock). look at the other clubs who,like us have lived beyond their means,they are all cutting right back and ask yourself what liverpools or arsenals spending would be like if they missed out on the champs league for 3 or 4 years ?

 

often on here you have alluded to others having thir heads in the sand but it is clear the one one doing an ostrich is yourself in relation to the position fred left us in.

 

silly.

 

Especially when there are still people hell bent on defending Ashley to the bitter end, and I mean bitter end = relegation and with little chance of coming back.

 

Pleased for you that you still appear to write off all those european qualifications and champions league appearances and the manner in which they were achieved.

 

Still, nobody is "embarrassing us" any more, right ?

 

 

 

Why have you ignored every question he has asked, yet still replied to his post? That's just rude.

[fredbob]

I was reading some of the stuff Llambias said in these interviews, and that bit about wanting to adopt the same model as Villa in particular.

 

But he then goes on to say the Dennis Wise / manager / DoF style seperation of roles works very well.

 

Ironically, probably the main reason Lerner and MON have done so well at Villa is because there is a chairman who trusts his manager's judgement 100 percent and makes the money available, and lets the manager get on with running the club.

 

Having complications like Wise will never let that kind of situation flourish.

 

It wouldn't be quite so bad if there was anything in the world to suggest Wise was appropriate for the job. Ultimately, he's just a lower division manager with some friends in the game. Might as well have gone for Tony Adams.

it's a lottery don't you know, when you make appointments so it's a bit pointless taking someones ability into account.

 

Well, lets put it another way. Appointing a manager who has won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards, is quite worthy of having a good chance, as is an up and coming manager who won the FA Cup and left his team in the top 3 of the league and 2nd phase of the Champions League. As is appointing a World Cup winner. What is your thoughts on Scolari being sacked or are you sticking to your previous criteria and claim Abramovic should step down for taking the club backwards ?

 

 

BEWARE...STRAIGHT ANSWER ALERT...STRAIGHT ANSWER ALERT.

 

 

i thought scolari was an ok appointment but his lack of league experience anywhere was going to be a risk.......can you find many who thought souness or roeder were decent appointments ? if chelsea were a business and they made huge losses and that weren't affordable and appointed souness i think that yes, i'd be looking for someone to take over from whoever was running the club.......straight enough of an answer for you ? give it a go you may feel cleansed.

 

 

oh remember i backed the dalglish appointment and thought they got rid of him too early (don't want you confusing me with someone else)

 

There was a lot of people on here who defended and supported everything Souness did, and you know it.

 

And you admit that abramovic made a dodgy appointment that has taken his club backwards, so do you also think he should step down for his gross incompetence ?

 

 

 

 

Am i reading this right - you're equating Abramovichs decision to appoint World Cup winning manager Luis Felipe Scolari to Freddy Shepherd et al decision to appoint Graeme Souness??   :lol:

 

Ive heard it all now.

 

Utterly clueless.

 

 

If i was a cunt i'd put that in my sig.

 

Delicious.

[NE5]

I was reading some of the stuff Llambias said in these interviews, and that bit about wanting to adopt the same model as Villa in particular.

 

But he then goes on to say the Dennis Wise / manager / DoF style seperation of roles works very well.

 

Ironically, probably the main reason Lerner and MON have done so well at Villa is because there is a chairman who trusts his manager's judgement 100 percent and makes the money available, and lets the manager get on with running the club.

 

Having complications like Wise will never let that kind of situation flourish.

 

It wouldn't be quite so bad if there was anything in the world to suggest Wise was appropriate for the job. Ultimately, he's just a lower division manager with some friends in the game. Might as well have gone for Tony Adams.

it's a lottery don't you know, when you make appointments so it's a bit pointless taking someones ability into account.

 

Well, lets put it another way. Appointing a manager who has won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards, is quite worthy of having a good chance, as is an up and coming manager who won the FA Cup and left his team in the top 3 of the league and 2nd phase of the Champions League. As is appointing a World Cup winner. What is your thoughts on Scolari being sacked or are you sticking to your previous criteria and claim Abramovic should step down for taking the club backwards ?

 

 

BEWARE...STRAIGHT ANSWER ALERT...STRAIGHT ANSWER ALERT.

 

 

i thought scolari was an ok appointment but his lack of league experience anywhere was going to be a risk.......can you find many who thought souness or roeder were decent appointments ? if chelsea were a business and they made huge losses and that weren't affordable and appointed souness i think that yes, i'd be looking for someone to take over from whoever was running the club.......straight enough of an answer for you ? give it a go you may feel cleansed.

 

 

oh remember i backed the dalglish appointment and thought they got rid of him too early (don't want you confusing me with someone else)

 

There was a lot of people on here who defended and supported everything Souness did, and you know it.

 

 

how many supported his original appointment.

 

ever heard of the maxim...he might be shit but he's our shit ?

 

 

you may hope he succeeds, but its totally different to harping on for months about how he was doing the right things because Alex Ferguson did, and he was getting it right etc etc blah blah, rather than saying he was getting it all wrong.

 

Are you pissed btw ? You seem quite angry

 

[STM]

Get back in your own thread NE5.

 

nowt to say then ?

 

 

Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton.

 

on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him.

 

When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ?

 

 

 

It's a lottery getting a good manager?

 

No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill.

 

is it now ?

 

We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson.

 

Or Everton replace Moyes ..........

 

 

 

Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory.

 

Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual.

 

you mean "realistic", as usual. Which also, as usual, too many people fail to grasp.

 

 

were you happy with the kinnear appointment ?

 

hey getting a good manager is a lottery right,surely theres as much chance getting a s*** one to turn out good results as there is a good one turning out bad to your thinking or maybe you are piffling again in anattempt to detect any criticism from the your beloved fred ?

 

(conversly it must work with players aswell...shevchenko,veron,woodgate at real,keane at liverpool......good players who didn't do it so surely it means it's pointless spending big as these players prove it works)

 

 

i'll stop you in your tracks........."back your manager"............what with ? where was the money going to come from......at this point you mention the debt of others and as always i mention the debt of the top 4 is different to ours as they are making money aside from those with sugar daddies where as we have consistently made losses (not a good scenario when begging to the banks with few assets left to hock). look at the other clubs who,like us have lived beyond their means,they are all cutting right back and ask yourself what liverpools or arsenals spending would be like if they missed out on the champs league for 3 or 4 years ?

 

often on here you have alluded to others having thir heads in the sand but it is clear the one one doing an ostrich is yourself in relation to the position fred left us in.

 

silly.

 

Especially when there are still people hell bent on defending Ashley to the bitter end, and I mean bitter end = relegation and with little chance of coming back.

 

Pleased for you that you still appear to write off all those european qualifications and champions league appearances and the manner in which they were achieved.

 

Still, nobody is "embarrassing us" any more, right ?

 

 

BORING !

 

we've covered the euro qualifications to death as that has little to do with the position we were in spring 2007.

 

defending ashley to the bitter end......like you defending fred ?

 

i never mentioned being embarassed by fred's utterences.

 

 

nice to see you keep your head in the sand re our position when fred left.

 

you mentioned Shepherd, not me, with a silly childish comment.

 

Yep, I will "defend" anybody who gave me the only 15 years out of 45 that tried to compete at the levels this club should always compete at, and thus gave me the best most consistent and highest league positions as a result.  As I've said before. 

 

 

 

Freddy was not in charge for 15 years

[NE5]

Get back in your own thread NE5.

 

nowt to say then ?

 

 

Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton.

 

on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him.

 

When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ?

 

 

 

It's a lottery getting a good manager?

 

No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill.

 

is it now ?

 

We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson.

 

Or Everton replace Moyes ..........

 

 

 

Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory.

 

Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual.

 

you mean "realistic", as usual. Which also, as usual, too many people fail to grasp.

 

 

were you happy with the kinnear appointment ?

 

hey getting a good manager is a lottery right,surely theres as much chance getting a s*** one to turn out good results as there is a good one turning out bad to your thinking or maybe you are piffling again in anattempt to detect any criticism from the your beloved fred ?

 

(conversly it must work with players aswell...shevchenko,veron,woodgate at real,keane at liverpool......good players who didn't do it so surely it means it's pointless spending big as these players prove it works)

 

 

i'll stop you in your tracks........."back your manager"............what with ? where was the money going to come from......at this point you mention the debt of others and as always i mention the debt of the top 4 is different to ours as they are making money aside from those with sugar daddies where as we have consistently made losses (not a good scenario when begging to the banks with few assets left to hock). look at the other clubs who,like us have lived beyond their means,they are all cutting right back and ask yourself what liverpools or arsenals spending would be like if they missed out on the champs league for 3 or 4 years ?

 

often on here you have alluded to others having thir heads in the sand but it is clear the one one doing an ostrich is yourself in relation to the position fred left us in.

 

silly.

 

Especially when there are still people hell bent on defending Ashley to the bitter end, and I mean bitter end = relegation and with little chance of coming back.

 

Pleased for you that you still appear to write off all those european qualifications and champions league appearances and the manner in which they were achieved.

 

Still, nobody is "embarrassing us" any more, right ?

 

 

 

Why have you ignored every question he has asked, yet still replied to his post? That's just rude.

 

I've answered all of them before, and I'm just applying his own criteria to the current chelsea situation, but unfortunately like others he seems to apply different rules to different personalities.

 

I'm going to leave this now, otherwise I'll just get accused of hijacking the thread, even though I didn't

 

 

[Mick]

 

What has Ashley spent?

 

£100 million as a loan,

£70 million of that was used to clear the old debt

£30 million has been put in to keep the club going.

Since the 30th June he has put in a further £10 million of cash as working capital.

£138 million to buy the club

total investment is £248 million so far.

 

Who knows if they will spend more, but the accounts we've seen only mention an ongoing investment of £10m, so it's half the maximum amount he harked on about in the first place.

 

It's yet to be seen if he coughs up the money needed to buy in the Summer and keep our losses down to £20M.

 

Again, I'll not hold my breath.

 

[madras]

I was reading some of the stuff Llambias said in these interviews, and that bit about wanting to adopt the same model as Villa in particular.

 

But he then goes on to say the Dennis Wise / manager / DoF style seperation of roles works very well.

 

Ironically, probably the main reason Lerner and MON have done so well at Villa is because there is a chairman who trusts his manager's judgement 100 percent and makes the money available, and lets the manager get on with running the club.

 

Having complications like Wise will never let that kind of situation flourish.

 

It wouldn't be quite so bad if there was anything in the world to suggest Wise was appropriate for the job. Ultimately, he's just a lower division manager with some friends in the game. Might as well have gone for Tony Adams.

it's a lottery don't you know, when you make appointments so it's a bit pointless taking someones ability into account.

 

Well, lets put it another way. Appointing a manager who has won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards, is quite worthy of having a good chance, as is an up and coming manager who won the FA Cup and left his team in the top 3 of the league and 2nd phase of the Champions League. As is appointing a World Cup winner. What is your thoughts on Scolari being sacked or are you sticking to your previous criteria and claim Abramovic should step down for taking the club backwards ?

 

 

BEWARE...STRAIGHT ANSWER ALERT...STRAIGHT ANSWER ALERT.

 

 

i thought scolari was an ok appointment but his lack of league experience anywhere was going to be a risk.......can you find many who thought souness or roeder were decent appointments ? if chelsea were a business and they made huge losses and that weren't affordable and appointed souness i think that yes, i'd be looking for someone to take over from whoever was running the club.......straight enough of an answer for you ? give it a go you may feel cleansed.

 

 

oh remember i backed the dalglish appointment and thought they got rid of him too early (don't want you confusing me with someone else)

 

There was a lot of people on here who defended and supported everything Souness did, and you know it.

 

 

how many supported his original appointment.

 

ever heard of the maxim...he might be s*** but he's our s*** ?

 

 

you may hope he succeeds, but its totally different to harping on for months about how he was doing the right things because Alex Ferguson did, and he was getting it right etc etc blah blah, rather than saying he was getting it all wrong.

 

Are you pissed btw ? You seem quite angry

 

i haven't had a drink all week but i'm pissed off from the bobbing and weaving and the "lottery" was the final straw really.

 

the most annoying thing is that i believe you know full well the situation the club was in spring 2007 but won't accept it to save face on here.

[NE5]

Get back in your own thread NE5.

 

nowt to say then ?

 

 

Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton.

 

on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him.

 

When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ?

 

 

 

It's a lottery getting a good manager?

 

No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill.

 

is it now ?

 

We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson.

 

Or Everton replace Moyes ..........

 

 

 

Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory.

 

Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual.

 

you mean "realistic", as usual. Which also, as usual, too many people fail to grasp.

 

 

were you happy with the kinnear appointment ?

 

hey getting a good manager is a lottery right,surely theres as much chance getting a s*** one to turn out good results as there is a good one turning out bad to your thinking or maybe you are piffling again in anattempt to detect any criticism from the your beloved fred ?

 

(conversly it must work with players aswell...shevchenko,veron,woodgate at real,keane at liverpool......good players who didn't do it so surely it means it's pointless spending big as these players prove it works)

 

 

i'll stop you in your tracks........."back your manager"............what with ? where was the money going to come from......at this point you mention the debt of others and as always i mention the debt of the top 4 is different to ours as they are making money aside from those with sugar daddies where as we have consistently made losses (not a good scenario when begging to the banks with few assets left to hock). look at the other clubs who,like us have lived beyond their means,they are all cutting right back and ask yourself what liverpools or arsenals spending would be like if they missed out on the champs league for 3 or 4 years ?

 

often on here you have alluded to others having thir heads in the sand but it is clear the one one doing an ostrich is yourself in relation to the position fred left us in.

 

silly.

 

Especially when there are still people hell bent on defending Ashley to the bitter end, and I mean bitter end = relegation and with little chance of coming back.

 

Pleased for you that you still appear to write off all those european qualifications and champions league appearances and the manner in which they were achieved.

 

Still, nobody is "embarrassing us" any more, right ?

 

 

BORING !

 

we've covered the euro qualifications to death as that has little to do with the position we were in spring 2007.

 

defending ashley to the bitter end......like you defending fred ?

 

i never mentioned being embarassed by fred's utterences.

 

 

nice to see you keep your head in the sand re our position when fred left.

 

you mentioned Shepherd, not me, with a silly childish comment.

 

Yep, I will "defend" anybody who gave me the only 15 years out of 45 that tried to compete at the levels this club should always compete at, and thus gave me the best most consistent and highest league positions as a result.  As I've said before. 

 

 

 

Freddy was not in charge for 15 years

 

he wasn't the major shareholder for even 15 days, never mind 15 years.

 

 

[Guest toonlass]

Do you have a season ticket NE5? If so are you going to renew it come the end of the season?

 

how many times do I need to say I bought my first season ticket in the 70's, supported the club home and away through the 80's when I lived down south, and have paid for the next 3 years to stay in the same seat I have sat in since the new stand at the Leazes End opened for our first game in the premiership ?

 

Meanwhile, how come someone as experienced a match attender as yourself doesn't understand that managers like Arsene Wenger say they don't see things because they are protecting their players in public ie outside the dressing room ?

 

Not to mention, that you appear unaware of the progress made under the Halls and Shepherd hence your criticism of them ? Or do you think they are responsible for bringing an end to decades of glory winning silverware and 60,000 crowds ?

 

 

 

 

 

To be fair NE5, I am not that obsessed with your match going history as you seem to think I should be. Is it not slightly hypocritical of you to keep having a go at people who dare to not fit with your point of view on Ashley, when you yourself have taken up the opportunity to financially back the man you spend hours slagging off on here. Surely if you felt as strongly as you do about the Ashley regime then you would be the first to demand your money back?

 

All bark and no bite eh?

 

Anyway, when have the Halls and the Shepherds brought silverware to St James Park? Or are you counting the winning division 1 and the Intertwobob cup as silverwear? Your friend fat fred was doing no different than Ashley lending the club money, but he was charging 11% on his loan, compared to the 0% Ashley is charging. Fat Fred took money out in dividends and payoffs to his family. So far Ashley has put his own cash in to stabilise the finances of the club. It is not right to be haemorraghing money we haven't got to end up 11th or 13th in the premiership as we were doing under Fat Fred and Sir John Hall. I am not happy at the quality of the football that is being played at St James, I am not happy at the silence from the upper management at SJP, BUT to delude yourself that Fat Fred and his cronies were any better for Newcastle than Mike Ashley is just stupid isn't it?

[Guest Mucky01]

I was reading some of the stuff Llambias said in these interviews, and that bit about wanting to adopt the same model as Villa in particular.

 

But he then goes on to say the Dennis Wise / manager / DoF style seperation of roles works very well.

 

Ironically, probably the main reason Lerner and MON have done so well at Villa is because there is a chairman who trusts his manager's judgement 100 percent and makes the money available, and lets the manager get on with running the club.

 

Having complications like Wise will never let that kind of situation flourish.

 

agreed Brummie, but unfortunately they’re so stupid they can’t see this and the comparison too Villa is hilarious on so many levels.

 

But unlike Lerner, Ashley was stupid enough to buy a football club without realising there was £100m+ additional debt and without any idea of how to run a football club would employ a bunch of inexperienced ‘mates’ – ooooops!

i think they mean in the way they buy younger players and look for long term value with their purchases rather than the set up of the staff.

Having “the set up of the staff” is clearly going to have a major influence on buying players. Comparing the model at Villa to NUFC is hilarious, if not offensive. How anyone can dismiss “the set up of the staff” as being irrelevant is beyond me.

[Baggio]

I was reading some of the stuff Llambias said in these interviews, and that bit about wanting to adopt the same model as Villa in particular.

 

But he then goes on to say the Dennis Wise / manager / DoF style seperation of roles works very well.

 

Ironically, probably the main reason Lerner and MON have done so well at Villa is because there is a chairman who trusts his manager's judgement 100 percent and makes the money available, and lets the manager get on with running the club.

 

Having complications like Wise will never let that kind of situation flourish.

 

agreed Brummie, but unfortunately they’re so stupid they can’t see this and the comparison too Villa is hilarious on so many levels.

 

But unlike Lerner, Ashley was stupid enough to buy a football club without realising there was £100m+ additional debt and without any idea of how to run a football club would employ a bunch of inexperienced ‘mates’ – ooooops!

i think they mean in the way they buy younger players and look for long term value with their purchases rather than the set up of the staff.

Having “the set up of the staff” is clearly going to have a major influence on buying players. Comparing the model at Villa to NUFC is hilarious, if not offensive. How anyone can dismiss “the set up of the staff” as being irrelevant is beyond me.

 

They didn't say they were hoping to be an exact replica of Villa though, just that we hoped to be in their position to challenge.

[Guest Mucky01]

I was reading some of the stuff Llambias said in these interviews, and that bit about wanting to adopt the same model as Villa in particular.

 

But he then goes on to say the Dennis Wise / manager / DoF style seperation of roles works very well.

 

Ironically, probably the main reason Lerner and MON have done so well at Villa is because there is a chairman who trusts his manager's judgement 100 percent and makes the money available, and lets the manager get on with running the club.

 

Having complications like Wise will never let that kind of situation flourish.

 

agreed Brummie, but unfortunately they’re so stupid they can’t see this and the comparison too Villa is hilarious on so many levels.

 

But unlike Lerner, Ashley was stupid enough to buy a football club without realising there was £100m+ additional debt and without any idea of how to run a football club would employ a bunch of inexperienced ‘mates’ – ooooops!

i think they mean in the way they buy younger players and look for long term value with their purchases rather than the set up of the staff.

Having “the set up of the staff” is clearly going to have a major influence on buying players. Comparing the model at Villa to NUFC is hilarious, if not offensive. How anyone can dismiss “the set up of the staff” as being irrelevant is beyond me.

They didn't say they were hoping to be an exact replica of Villa though, just that we hoped to be in their position to challenge.

I know. But with the “the set up of the staff” we have?

[Happy Face]

 

What has Ashley spent?

 

£100 million as a loan,

£70 million of that was used to clear the old debt

£30 million has been put in to keep the club going.

Since the 30th June he has put in a further £10 million of cash as working capital.

£138 million to buy the club

total investment is £248 million so far.

 

Who knows if they will spend more, but the accounts we've seen only mention an ongoing investment of £10m, so it's half the maximum amount he harked on about in the first place.

 

It's yet to be seen if he coughs up the money needed to buy in the Summer and keep our losses down to £20M.

 

Again, I'll not hold my breath.

 

 

Disgrace that he expects to walk away with at least £300M+ innit?  For a club making year on year losses with a higher wage bill than he found it with and loads of debt outstanding too.

 

Course, this was disputed by Keith Harris ...

 

"It hasn’t been a question of dropping a price from that level, it is a question of providing information and making sure people have the facts. Like for example there is no debt at this club. Mike Ashley paid off the debt, it is things like that we have been doing to give people the real picture of the club, its prospects.

 

Clear as mud.

[NE5]

Do you have a season ticket NE5? If so are you going to renew it come the end of the season?

 

how many times do I need to say I bought my first season ticket in the 70's, supported the club home and away through the 80's when I lived down south, and have paid for the next 3 years to stay in the same seat I have sat in since the new stand at the Leazes End opened for our first game in the premiership ?

 

Meanwhile, how come someone as experienced a match attender as yourself doesn't understand that managers like Arsene Wenger say they don't see things because they are protecting their players in public ie outside the dressing room ?

 

Not to mention, that you appear unaware of the progress made under the Halls and Shepherd hence your criticism of them ? Or do you think they are responsible for bringing an end to decades of glory winning silverware and 60,000 crowds ?

 

 

 

 

 

To be fair NE5, I am not that obsessed with your match going history as you seem to think I should be. Is it not slightly hypocritical of you to keep having a go at people who dare to not fit with your point of view on Ashley, when you yourself have taken up the opportunity to financially back the man you spend hours slagging off on here. Surely if you felt as strongly as you do about the Ashley regime then you would be the first to demand your money back?

 

All bark and no bite eh?

 

Anyway, when have the Halls and the Shepherds brought silverware to St James Park? Or are you counting the winning division 1 and the Intertwobob cup as silverwear? Your friend fat fred was doing no different than Ashley lending the club money, but he was charging 11% on his loan, compared to the 0% Ashley is charging. Fat Fred took money out in dividends and payoffs to his family. So far Ashley has put his own cash in to stabilise the finances of the club. It is not right to be haemorraghing money we haven't got to end up 11th or 13th in the premiership as we were doing under Fat Fred and Sir John Hall. I am not happy at the quality of the football that is being played at St James, I am not happy at the silence from the upper management at SJP, BUT to delude yourself that Fat Fred and his cronies were any better for Newcastle than Mike Ashley is just stupid isn't it?

 

I don't really want to keep coming back to this thread because some idiot will accuse me of derailing the thread when I didn't.

 

Obsession doesn't come into it at all, its just basic awareness of how the club performed which anyone who supported the club would know or should know.

 

I'm not defending any personalities by the way on account of personality, I don't give a rats arse about their personality if they are backing their managers and trying to be successful, and succeeding to the point where they changed a run down club that couldn't sell for 1.25m quid into one that qualified for europe more than any club but 4 and was worth anywhere between 100m and 200m quid.

 

Your comment "friend fat fred" does you no favours by the way, its as silly and childish as the comment madras also made, in the same way as your ignorance of Arsene Wengers public persona of defending his players. Such things lead me to think you don't have the understanding of the game that you indicate you should have.

 

If you seriously think that Mike Ashley will ever match the european qualifications of the Halls and Shepherd, it pretty much seals your delusion.

 

 

 

[NE5]

 

What has Ashley spent?

 

£100 million as a loan,

£70 million of that was used to clear the old debt

£30 million has been put in to keep the club going.

Since the 30th June he has put in a further £10 million of cash as working capital.

£138 million to buy the club

total investment is £248 million so far.

 

Who knows if they will spend more, but the accounts we've seen only mention an ongoing investment of £10m, so it's half the maximum amount he harked on about in the first place.

 

It's yet to be seen if he coughs up the money needed to buy in the Summer and keep our losses down to £20M.

 

Again, I'll not hold my breath.

 

 

Disgrace that he expects to walk away with at least £300M+ innit?  For a club making year on year losses with a higher wage bill than he found it with and loads of debt outstanding too.

 

Course, this was disputed by Keith Harris ...

 

"It hasn’t been a question of dropping a price from that level, it is a question of providing information and making sure people have the facts. Like for example there is no debt at this club. Mike Ashley paid off the debt, it is things like that we have been doing to give people the real picture of the club, its prospects.

 

Clear as mud.

 

some people will defend him to the last, it reminds me of the blind support Souness also got right to the end

 

 

[Baggio]

I was reading some of the stuff Llambias said in these interviews, and that bit about wanting to adopt the same model as Villa in particular.

 

But he then goes on to say the Dennis Wise / manager / DoF style seperation of roles works very well.

 

Ironically, probably the main reason Lerner and MON have done so well at Villa is because there is a chairman who trusts his manager's judgement 100 percent and makes the money available, and lets the manager get on with running the club.

 

Having complications like Wise will never let that kind of situation flourish.

 

agreed Brummie, but unfortunately they’re so stupid they can’t see this and the comparison too Villa is hilarious on so many levels.

 

But unlike Lerner, Ashley was stupid enough to buy a football club without realising there was £100m+ additional debt and without any idea of how to run a football club would employ a bunch of inexperienced ‘mates’ – ooooops!

i think they mean in the way they buy younger players and look for long term value with their purchases rather than the set up of the staff.

Having “the set up of the staff” is clearly going to have a major influence on buying players. Comparing the model at Villa to NUFC is hilarious, if not offensive. How anyone can dismiss “the set up of the staff” as being irrelevant is beyond me.

They didn't say they were hoping to be an exact replica of Villa though, just that we hoped to be in their position to challenge.

I know. But with the “the set up of the staff” we have?

 

The same set up had Spurs up there challenging 2 years back don't forget, our problem is lack of money more than anything which the club are hoping to drag around over the next few years, we're a big club with a large income so if they do bring costs down then we should have a strong future financially, it's just going to be shit until they manage it.

 

Kinnear won't be good enough to get us up there but realistically he won't be managing in a few years anyway.

[Guest toonlass]

Do you have a season ticket NE5? If so are you going to renew it come the end of the season?

 

how many times do I need to say I bought my first season ticket in the 70's, supported the club home and away through the 80's when I lived down south, and have paid for the next 3 years to stay in the same seat I have sat in since the new stand at the Leazes End opened for our first game in the premiership ?

 

Meanwhile, how come someone as experienced a match attender as yourself doesn't understand that managers like Arsene Wenger say they don't see things because they are protecting their players in public ie outside the dressing room ?

 

Not to mention, that you appear unaware of the progress made under the Halls and Shepherd hence your criticism of them ? Or do you think they are responsible for bringing an end to decades of glory winning silverware and 60,000 crowds ?

 

 

 

 

 

To be fair NE5, I am not that obsessed with your match going history as you seem to think I should be. Is it not slightly hypocritical of you to keep having a go at people who dare to not fit with your point of view on Ashley, when you yourself have taken up the opportunity to financially back the man you spend hours slagging off on here. Surely if you felt as strongly as you do about the Ashley regime then you would be the first to demand your money back?

 

All bark and no bite eh?

 

Anyway, when have the Halls and the Shepherds brought silverware to St James Park? Or are you counting the winning division 1 and the Intertwobob cup as silverwear? Your friend fat fred was doing no different than Ashley lending the club money, but he was charging 11% on his loan, compared to the 0% Ashley is charging. Fat Fred took money out in dividends and payoffs to his family. So far Ashley has put his own cash in to stabilise the finances of the club. It is not right to be haemorraghing money we haven't got to end up 11th or 13th in the premiership as we were doing under Fat Fred and Sir John Hall. I am not happy at the quality of the football that is being played at St James, I am not happy at the silence from the upper management at SJP, BUT to delude yourself that Fat Fred and his cronies were any better for Newcastle than Mike Ashley is just stupid isn't it?

 

I don't really want to keep coming back to this thread because some idiot will accuse me of derailing the thread when I didn't.

 

Obsession doesn't come into it at all, its just basic awareness of how the club performed which anyone who supported the club would know or should know.

 

I'm not defending any personalities by the way on account of personality, I don't give a rats arse about their personality if they are backing their managers and trying to be successful, and succeeding to the point where they changed a run down club that couldn't sell for 1.25m quid into one that qualified for europe more than any club but 4 and was worth anywhere between 100m and 200m quid.

 

Your comment "friend fat fred" does you no favours by the way, its as silly and childish as the comment madras also made, in the same way as your ignorance of Arsene Wengers public persona of defending his players. Such things lead me to think you don't have the understanding of the game that you indicate you should have.

 

If you seriously think that Mike Ashley will ever match the european qualifications of the Halls and Shepherd, it pretty much seals your delusion.

 

 

 

 

I was talking about why I should know how long you have had a season ticket, when talking about obsession. Why should I know how long you have had one?

 

So can you comment on the point I made about your hypocracy at supporting Mike Ashley's regime with your cash, when you are so virilantly against the bloke and spout on and on about how we must all be idiots just because we don't happen to think he is the cause of all that is evil in the world?

 

Also would you like to comment on the silverwear that you claim Shepherd and Hall brought to the club, cos I am yet to see it. And what about the financial statement about Shepherd loaning the club money, in exactly the same way Ashley has, but unlike Ashley's 0% he charged 11% for the loan or is that ok cos he was a Geordie and we were 13th in the premiership?

[Mick]

 

Disgrace that he expects to walk away with at least £300M+ innit?  For a club making year on year losses with a higher wage bill than he found it with and loads of debt outstanding too.

 

Course, this was disputed by Keith Harris ...

 

"It hasn’t been a question of dropping a price from that level, it is a question of providing information and making sure people have the facts. Like for example there is no debt at this club. Mike Ashley paid off the debt, it is things like that we have been doing to give people the real picture of the club, its prospects.

 

Clear as mud.

 

How do you know he wanted £300 million +?

 

Edit,

 

Ashley has paid off the debt but we still have a debt to him.

[NE5]

Do you have a season ticket NE5? If so are you going to renew it come the end of the season?

 

how many times do I need to say I bought my first season ticket in the 70's, supported the club home and away through the 80's when I lived down south, and have paid for the next 3 years to stay in the same seat I have sat in since the new stand at the Leazes End opened for our first game in the premiership ?

 

Meanwhile, how come someone as experienced a match attender as yourself doesn't understand that managers like Arsene Wenger say they don't see things because they are protecting their players in public ie outside the dressing room ?

 

Not to mention, that you appear unaware of the progress made under the Halls and Shepherd hence your criticism of them ? Or do you think they are responsible for bringing an end to decades of glory winning silverware and 60,000 crowds ?

 

 

 

 

 

To be fair NE5, I am not that obsessed with your match going history as you seem to think I should be. Is it not slightly hypocritical of you to keep having a go at people who dare to not fit with your point of view on Ashley, when you yourself have taken up the opportunity to financially back the man you spend hours slagging off on here. Surely if you felt as strongly as you do about the Ashley regime then you would be the first to demand your money back?

 

All bark and no bite eh?

 

Anyway, when have the Halls and the Shepherds brought silverware to St James Park? Or are you counting the winning division 1 and the Intertwobob cup as silverwear? Your friend fat fred was doing no different than Ashley lending the club money, but he was charging 11% on his loan, compared to the 0% Ashley is charging. Fat Fred took money out in dividends and payoffs to his family. So far Ashley has put his own cash in to stabilise the finances of the club. It is not right to be haemorraghing money we haven't got to end up 11th or 13th in the premiership as we were doing under Fat Fred and Sir John Hall. I am not happy at the quality of the football that is being played at St James, I am not happy at the silence from the upper management at SJP, BUT to delude yourself that Fat Fred and his cronies were any better for Newcastle than Mike Ashley is just stupid isn't it?

 

I don't really want to keep coming back to this thread because some idiot will accuse me of derailing the thread when I didn't.

 

Obsession doesn't come into it at all, its just basic awareness of how the club performed which anyone who supported the club would know or should know.

 

I'm not defending any personalities by the way on account of personality, I don't give a rats arse about their personality if they are backing their managers and trying to be successful, and succeeding to the point where they changed a run down club that couldn't sell for 1.25m quid into one that qualified for europe more than any club but 4 and was worth anywhere between 100m and 200m quid.

 

Your comment "friend fat fred" does you no favours by the way, its as silly and childish as the comment madras also made, in the same way as your ignorance of Arsene Wengers public persona of defending his players. Such things lead me to think you don't have the understanding of the game that you indicate you should have.

 

If you seriously think that Mike Ashley will ever match the european qualifications of the Halls and Shepherd, it pretty much seals your delusion.

 

 

 

 

I was talking about why I should know how long you have had a season ticket, when talking about obsession. Why should I know how long you have had one?

 

So can you comment on the point I made about your hypocracy at supporting Mike Ashley's regime with your cash, when you are so virilantly against the bloke and spout on and on about how we must all be idiots just because we don't happen to think he is the cause of all that is evil in the world?

 

Also would you like to comment on the silverwear that you claim Shepherd and Hall brought to the club, cos I am yet to see it. And what about the financial statement about Shepherd loaning the club money, in exactly the same way Ashley has, but unlike Ashley's 0% he charged 11% for the loan or is that ok cos he was a Geordie and we were 13th in the premiership?

 

I thought McKeag etc were shite too, but I still supported the club. So did you, didn't you ?

 

Although 30,000 people didn't support the club until the Halls and Shepherd attracted them back, isn't that right, you know this too don't you ?

 

You won't find a quote from me claiming the Halls and Shepherd won silverware, but if you read properly you will see that I have said "people appear to think they brought an end to decades of glory winning silverware". Quite a bit of difference there like.

 

How do you know what Ashley is going to walk away from the club with ?

 

 

[Happy Face]

Ashley has paid off the debt but we still have a debt to him.

 

"But like any business with assets the club has debts. I paid £134 million out of my own pocket for the club. I then poured another £110 million into the club not to pay off the debt but just to reduce it. The club is still in debt. Even worse than that, the club still owes millions of pounds in transfer fees. I shall be paying out many more millions over the coming year to pay for players bought by the club before I arrived."

 

I'm repeating myself now because you're blind to the contradictions.

 

 

[Guest toonlass]

Do you have a season ticket NE5? If so are you going to renew it come the end of the season?

 

how many times do I need to say I bought my first season ticket in the 70's, supported the club home and away through the 80's when I lived down south, and have paid for the next 3 years to stay in the same seat I have sat in since the new stand at the Leazes End opened for our first game in the premiership ?

 

Meanwhile, how come someone as experienced a match attender as yourself doesn't understand that managers like Arsene Wenger say they don't see things because they are protecting their players in public ie outside the dressing room ?

 

Not to mention, that you appear unaware of the progress made under the Halls and Shepherd hence your criticism of them ? Or do you think they are responsible for bringing an end to decades of glory winning silverware and 60,000 crowds ?

 

 

 

 

 

To be fair NE5, I am not that obsessed with your match going history as you seem to think I should be. Is it not slightly hypocritical of you to keep having a go at people who dare to not fit with your point of view on Ashley, when you yourself have taken up the opportunity to financially back the man you spend hours slagging off on here. Surely if you felt as strongly as you do about the Ashley regime then you would be the first to demand your money back?

 

All bark and no bite eh?

 

Anyway, when have the Halls and the Shepherds brought silverware to St James Park? Or are you counting the winning division 1 and the Intertwobob cup as silverwear? Your friend fat fred was doing no different than Ashley lending the club money, but he was charging 11% on his loan, compared to the 0% Ashley is charging. Fat Fred took money out in dividends and payoffs to his family. So far Ashley has put his own cash in to stabilise the finances of the club. It is not right to be haemorraghing money we haven't got to end up 11th or 13th in the premiership as we were doing under Fat Fred and Sir John Hall. I am not happy at the quality of the football that is being played at St James, I am not happy at the silence from the upper management at SJP, BUT to delude yourself that Fat Fred and his cronies were any better for Newcastle than Mike Ashley is just stupid isn't it?

 

I don't really want to keep coming back to this thread because some idiot will accuse me of derailing the thread when I didn't.

 

Obsession doesn't come into it at all, its just basic awareness of how the club performed which anyone who supported the club would know or should know.

 

I'm not defending any personalities by the way on account of personality, I don't give a rats arse about their personality if they are backing their managers and trying to be successful, and succeeding to the point where they changed a run down club that couldn't sell for 1.25m quid into one that qualified for europe more than any club but 4 and was worth anywhere between 100m and 200m quid.

 

Your comment "friend fat fred" does you no favours by the way, its as silly and childish as the comment madras also made, in the same way as your ignorance of Arsene Wengers public persona of defending his players. Such things lead me to think you don't have the understanding of the game that you indicate you should have.

 

If you seriously think that Mike Ashley will ever match the european qualifications of the Halls and Shepherd, it pretty much seals your delusion.

 

 

 

 

I was talking about why I should know how long you have had a season ticket, when talking about obsession. Why should I know how long you have had one?

 

So can you comment on the point I made about your hypocracy at supporting Mike Ashley's regime with your cash, when you are so virilantly against the bloke and spout on and on about how we must all be idiots just because we don't happen to think he is the cause of all that is evil in the world?

 

Also would you like to comment on the silverwear that you claim Shepherd and Hall brought to the club, cos I am yet to see it. And what about the financial statement about Shepherd loaning the club money, in exactly the same way Ashley has, but unlike Ashley's 0% he charged 11% for the loan or is that ok cos he was a Geordie and we were 13th in the premiership?

 

I thought McKeag etc were shite too, but I still supported the club. So did you, didn't you ?

 

Although 30,000 people didn't support the club until the Halls and Shepherd attracted them back, isn't that right, you know this too don't you ?

 

You won't find a quote from me claiming the Halls and Shepherd won silverware, but if you read properly you will see that I have said "people appear to think they brought an end to decades of glory winning silverware". Quite a bit of difference there like.

 

How do you know what Ashley is going to walk away from the club with ?

 

 

 

Yes I do know that. I was there, you know that. I wasn't fully aware of the situation under McKeag if I am honest. I was a young un then and didn't care about the financial sides of football. And yes the football was shite too, but it needed someone to come in and sort that out which was Sir John Hall.

 

BUT

 

Can you not see that Fred Shepherd and Sir John Hall have caused the problems financially which are now having to be fixed. Are you just ignoring the fact that the Halls and the Shepherds made millions through Newcastle United, in dividends, by loans to the club with interest repayments fixed on them, for jobs for their families ensuring that they all had a slice of the pie too? Are you unable to see that the football that was brought to Newcastle nearly financially killed us?

 

 

[fredbob]

Ashley has paid off the debt but we still have a debt to him.

 

"But like any business with assets the club has debts. I paid £134 million out of my own pocket for the club. I then poured another £110 million into the club not to pay off the debt but just to reduce it. The club is still in debt. Even worse than that, the club still owes millions of pounds in transfer fees. I shall be paying out many more millions over the coming year to pay for players bought by the club before I arrived."

 

I'm repeating myself now because you're blind to the contradictions.

 

 

 

If we're making a £34m loss, is that not debt owed to someone?  (not a financial expert just a query)

[Mick]

 

"But like any business with assets the club has debts. I paid £134 million out of my own pocket for the club. I then poured another £110 million into the club not to pay off the debt but just to reduce it. The club is still in debt. Even worse than that, the club still owes millions of pounds in transfer fees. I shall be paying out many more millions over the coming year to pay for players bought by the club before I arrived."

 

I'm repeating myself now because you're blind to the contradictions.

 

 

 

You're repeating yourself because you don't appear to have a clue what you're on about.  We're still paying for players and they class that as debt.

[Guest Mucky01]

I was reading some of the stuff Llambias said in these interviews, and that bit about wanting to adopt the same model as Villa in particular.

 

But he then goes on to say the Dennis Wise / manager / DoF style seperation of roles works very well.

 

Ironically, probably the main reason Lerner and MON have done so well at Villa is because there is a chairman who trusts his manager's judgement 100 percent and makes the money available, and lets the manager get on with running the club.

 

Having complications like Wise will never let that kind of situation flourish.

 

agreed Brummie, but unfortunately they’re so stupid they can’t see this and the comparison too Villa is hilarious on so many levels.

 

But unlike Lerner, Ashley was stupid enough to buy a football club without realising there was £100m+ additional debt and without any idea of how to run a football club would employ a bunch of inexperienced ‘mates’ – ooooops!

i think they mean in the way they buy younger players and look for long term value with their purchases rather than the set up of the staff.

Having “the set up of the staff” is clearly going to have a major influence on buying players. Comparing the model at Villa to NUFC is hilarious, if not offensive. How anyone can dismiss “the set up of the staff” as being irrelevant is beyond me.

They didn't say they were hoping to be an exact replica of Villa though, just that we hoped to be in their position to challenge.

I know. But with the “the set up of the staff” we have?

The same set up had Spurs up there challenging 2 years back don't forget, our problem is lack of money more than anything which the club are hoping to drag around over the next few years, we're a big club with a large income so if they do bring costs down then we should have a strong future financially, it's just going to be s*** until they manage it.

 

Kinnear won't be good enough to get us up there but realistically he won't be managing in a few years anyway.

 

We have the same set up as Spurs were challenging with 2 years ago! – WTF.

 

they may have similar job titles, but that’s where any comparison ends, they had Martin Jol, we’ve got Kinnear, etc!

 

What was it FFS said? “anyone can buy a club, but not everyone can RUN a club”. Even though I hate quoting FFS, he hit the nail on the head when you consider Ashley/Llambias/Kinnear/Wise are at the helm. Which one of those 4 has any experience in running a Premiership club? Even after the “mistakes” of the last 2 years, the penny hasn’t dropped.

 

Comparing the amount of employees and turnover at a Casino to running a EPL football club is an example of frightening naivety.