TRon Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Still a lot of idiots on here that wont admit he's a good defender, no matter how well he's played for Wigan. He dropped a large amount of clangers for us. That has everything to do with the reason why. His clangers were infuriating but he did defend well for most of the 90 mins which is not true of some of the centre backs we've had on our books since then. Ultimately this was the wrong club for a player of his type, he's probably better off at a low profile club like Wigan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Still a lot of idiots on here that wont admit he's a good defender, no matter how well he's played for Wigan. He dropped a large amount of clangers for us. That has everything to do with the reason why. His clangers were infuriating but he did defend well for most of the 90 mins which is not true of some of the centre backs we've had on our books since then. Ultimately this was the wrong club for a player of his type, he's probably better off at a low profile club like Wigan. True, but his mistakes were always monumentally bad, and apparent. Whereas Taylors/Colos etc arent always as instantly noticable in the way that say passing the ball directly to the opposition or making a ridiculous tackle is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Still a lot of idiots on here that wont admit he's a good defender, no matter how well he's played for Wigan. He dropped a large amount of clangers for us. That has everything to do with the reason why. His clangers were infuriating but he did defend well for most of the 90 mins which is not true of some of the centre backs we've had on our books since then. Ultimately this was the wrong club for a player of his type, he's probably better off at a low profile club like Wigan. True, but his mistakes were always monumentally bad, and apparent. Whereas Taylors/Colos etc arent always as instantly noticable in the way that say passing the ball directly to the opposition or making a ridiculous tackle is. He made a lot of good tackles which prevented goals as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Still a lot of idiots on here that wont admit he's a good defender, no matter how well he's played for Wigan. He dropped a large amount of clangers for us. That has everything to do with the reason why. His clangers were infuriating but he did defend well for most of the 90 mins which is not true of some of the centre backs we've had on our books since then. Ultimately this was the wrong club for a player of his type, he's probably better off at a low profile club like Wigan. True, but his mistakes were always monumentally bad, and apparent. Whereas Taylors/Colos etc arent always as instantly noticable in the way that say passing the ball directly to the opposition or making a ridiculous tackle is. He made a lot of good tackles which prevented goals as well. Well he's a defender that's his job. Being a defender isn't like being a striker. A few great plays don't shadow over monumental errors. A large part of being a great defender is composure, confidence, and being able to read the attack. Bramble always has the physical attributes, but he was definitely not a great defender while he was at Newcastle. We shouldn't fool ourselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dover Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I must have been seeing a different bramble at wigan then, because he is as bad there as he was here, the difference being that the media hasnt labelled wigan with the worst defence in the P.League like they have us, no matter who we have in the back four, so he isnt slated every sun/mon in the paper. Hes too inconsistent to ever be a P.League defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Still a lot of idiots on here that wont admit he's a good defender, no matter how well he's played for Wigan. He dropped a large amount of clangers for us. That has everything to do with the reason why. His clangers were infuriating but he did defend well for most of the 90 mins which is not true of some of the centre backs we've had on our books since then. Ultimately this was the wrong club for a player of his type, he's probably better off at a low profile club like Wigan. True, but his mistakes were always monumentally bad, and apparent. Whereas Taylors/Colos etc arent always as instantly noticable in the way that say passing the ball directly to the opposition or making a ridiculous tackle is. He made a lot of good tackles which prevented goals as well. Well he's a defender that's his job. Being a defender isn't like being a striker. A few great plays don't shadow over monumental errors. A large part of being a great defender is composure, confidence, and being able to read the attack. Bramble always has the physical attributes, but he was definitely not a great defender while he was at Newcastle. We shouldn't fool ourselves. I don't think anyone is arguing he is a great defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I must have been seeing a different bramble at wigan then, because he is as bad there as he was here, the difference being that the media hasnt labelled wigan with the worst defence in the P.League like they have us, no matter who we have in the back four, so he isnt slated every sun/mon in the paper. Hes too inconsistent to ever be a P.League defender. Was voted their player of the year werent he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustynrg Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I must have been seeing a different bramble at wigan then, because he is as bad there as he was here, the difference being that the media hasnt labelled wigan with the worst defence in the P.League like they have us, no matter who we have in the back four, so he isnt slated every sun/mon in the paper. Hes too inconsistent to ever be a P.League defender. I always felt with Bramble that he was destroyed here by MOTD punters, they started showing his EVERY mistake, mistakes you see other defenders make too, but then they got a theme going and EVERY week it would be Oh well let's look at Bramble's mistakes this week hahaha. And it must have had a terrible effect on his confidence. At Wigan he didnt get that attention and even if he did make clangers (and he did) they weren't even commented on, I noticed that a couple of times, the match commentator might say "What was Bramble doing there?" but it was never mentioned again, even by that great defender Mark Lawrence. I don't think he's great but I don't think he's that bad either. I'll be interested to see MOTD this year and who they pick out for defensive errors, it might be him but it probably won't be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I must have been seeing a different bramble at wigan then, because he is as bad there as he was here, the difference being that the media hasnt labelled wigan with the worst defence in the P.League like they have us, no matter who we have in the back four, so he isnt slated every sun/mon in the paper. Hes too inconsistent to ever be a P.League defender. what a load of absolute nonsense, he's was their best player by far last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Bramble always had the physical attributes to be a top defender, just sometimes his concentration slipped. He was good at times, infuriating at others. The pressure put on him by the crowd was intense. He got a bit of a reputation for being clumsy, and coupled with Boumsong it was a journalists wet dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I must have been seeing a different bramble at wigan then, because he is as bad there as he was here, the difference being that the media hasnt labelled wigan with the worst defence in the P.League like they have us, no matter who we have in the back four, so he isnt slated every sun/mon in the paper. Hes too inconsistent to ever be a P.League defender. what a load of absolute nonsense, he's was their best player by far last season "Their best player by far last season". Well done, there's plenty of silly exaggerations in this forum, but you've just topped them all! What absolute rubbish! Valencia and Scharner (just to name 2 players) did much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I must have been seeing a different bramble at wigan then, because he is as bad there as he was here, the difference being that the media hasnt labelled wigan with the worst defence in the P.League like they have us, no matter who we have in the back four, so he isnt slated every sun/mon in the paper. Hes too inconsistent to ever be a P.League defender. what a load of absolute nonsense, he's was their best player by far last season "Their best player by far last season". Well done, there's plenty of silly exaggerations in this forum, but you've just topped them all! What absolute rubbish! Valencia and Scharner (just to name 2 players) did much better. Both were very good, Bramble was better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I must have been seeing a different bramble at wigan then, because he is as bad there as he was here, the difference being that the media hasnt labelled wigan with the worst defence in the P.League like they have us, no matter who we have in the back four, so he isnt slated every sun/mon in the paper. Hes too inconsistent to ever be a P.League defender. what a load of absolute nonsense, he's was their best player by far last season "Their best player by far last season". Well done, there's plenty of silly exaggerations in this forum, but you've just topped them all! What absolute rubbish! Valencia and Scharner (just to name 2 players) did much better. if it's a silly exageration why was Bramble their official player of the season? EDIT: Supporter's player of the year Player's player of the year Media's player of the year Away player of the year Doesn't seem like such an exageration now, does it? Do your fucking reserach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Sometimes though, awards like that aren't necessarily given to the "best" player, but the player the fans, players, etc were happiest with. Bramble had a good season and mainly error-free, which probably would have surprised the fans and even team mates, and prompted them to vote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 to be fair to the lad, some of the racial abuse he received from his own supporters at SJP exonerates any mistakes he made on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Always thought he had potential to be a class player, but SJP is literally the worst place to be a defender... can't thing of a defence that has had more undue scrutiny than ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaya_cz Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Always thought he had potential to be a class player, but SJP is literally the worst place to be a defender... can't thing of a defence that has had more undue scrutiny than ours. Yes, it looks that all decent defenders are immediately switched into crap when they wear black-white shirt.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 to be fair to the lad, some of the racial abuse he received from his own supporters at SJP exonerates any mistakes he made on the pitch. He got a lot of racial abuse? He got a lot of abuse, but I'm not sure how much of it was racial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I got nothing against him but it was clear a long time before he left, that he would always be a joke defender at our club. His transfer suited both parties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Keefaz - is the phrase 'stupid/shite black bastard' racist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Keefaz - is the phrase 'stupid/shite black bastard' racist? Yes. Is this a phrase you heard a lot? Do you think his performances were affected by racial abuse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 when he was concentrating he was a good defender, spraying 30/40 yard passes too, but when he wasn't concentrating he was woeful. he was a liability like barton but in a different way, just not consistent enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I've been to loads of games at SJP and have never heard any racial abuse towards Bramble. Heard him called a Donkey plenty of times but i assumed that was because of two other reasons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I've heard Taylor and Smith get called "donkeys" as well before, I don't think that's really a racial slur. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 no-one's arguing that it is Pilko. when the slur (whichever it may be) is preceded by a reference to the colour of a player's skin, its usually racially driven (knowingly or not) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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