Stoke City 1 - 1 Newcastle United - 11/04/09 - Post match reaction from page 28

[bealios]

Yeah, I think the Butt hating is counter productive. He makes mistakes that get noticed, but he was more involved than Nolan. Duff's another one. Arsenal game I thought he was more involved than any other player. Even today he played his part.

 

Jonas has to start though. In a relegation battle, little things like your attacking midfielders tracking back and stopping crosses make a massive difference.

[Guest neesy111]

Owen to lead by example!!!! WFT???

 

If Shola and Owen start another game...

 

Owen is quality.

 

Shola is not.

 

Owen and Carroll is quality.

 

Owen and Shola is not.

 

Owen and Martins is not.

 

There.

 

I know you've got something against Oba but what has Owen done in let's say like last 15 games to convince you he should be starting? He's been pure shit. Top earner of the team and captain...maybe he should be performing just a bit better?

 

How many times do I have to say that Owen needs to be provided with chances, he's not fast enough anymore to make them himself. And that if given the chances, he scores. Which our other strikers don't.

 

And I don't have something against Oba especially, I just don't want shite playing for us. It's the same with Butt and Ameobi and so on.

 

so is our midfield magically going to learn to give him chance's??? NO so don't play him and give someone who's at least mobile, can win headers and keep a hold of the ball

[Dr Venkman]

satisfied with that result given the circumstances, injuries, stoke, us being a fucking dreadful team.

 

lets just hope that alan's learned his lesson with you know who.

[ChrisMcQuillan]

Harper - 6 - Possibly should have saved the goal, but it wasn't really his fault, and he was otherwise solid.

Beye - 7 - Made some great tackles.

Edgar - 7 - Most solid performance I've seen him give against some physical opposition.  He said he'd bulk up, and he seems no pushover anymore.

Bassong - 7 - Defensively very good.

R. Taylor - 6 - Put in a good shift.  Ran until the end.  Offers limited passing when going forward though.

Duff - 6 - Average shift from the man, but did an okay job at wing back.

Butt - 4 - One good tackle.  That was it.

Guthrie - 6 - Rather anonymous, but looked solid when on the ball.  Hope to see more.

Nolan - 5 - Not very good.  A lot of poor passes and no creativity.

Ameobi - 2 - Absolutely horrific.

Owen - 6 - Ran a lot, looked interested and lively.  Good to see.  

 

Carroll - 9 - What a hero.  Wonderful goal, showed Ameobi how to really defend.  Game really changed with his introduction.  Fought for everything.

Jonas - 7 - Limited time to see anything, but he looked his usual self - tough to defend against.

[Thespence]

I am may be going solo with this but I would rather Butt in the team than Nolan.

 

geremi is no where near as bad these 2 and at least he can hit a good ball or set-piece at times

 

Geremi crosses are something Owen has scored from in the past.

[Teasy]

Owen to lead by example!!!! WFT???

 

If Shola and Owen start another game...

 

Owen is quality.

 

Shola is not.

 

Owen and Carroll is quality.

 

Owen and Shola is not.

 

Owen and Martins is not.

 

There.

 

I know you've got something against Oba but what has Owen done in let's say like last 15 games to convince you he should be starting? He's been pure shit. Top earner of the team and captain...maybe he should be performing just a bit better?

 

How many times do I have to say that Owen needs to be provided with chances, he's not fast enough anymore to make them himself. And that if given the chances, he scores. Which our other strikers don't.

 

And I don't have something against Oba especially, I just don't want shite playing for us. It's the same with Butt and Ameobi and so on.

 

But you thought starting Ameobi ahead of Martins (when we didn't know Martins was injured) was a good idea because Ameobi "might work".  Martins has been here a few years and scored 27 goals.  Shola has been here for nearly 10 years and scored 32 goals.  You don't have anything against Martins though do you?

[Taylor Swift]

Was Shearer fucking high? Starts Ameobi, who's been shite for about his whole life. Why can't our managers realise that he's fucking shite? He's horrible. He can't head. He can't pass. He sure as fuck can't hold up the ball. He can't even fucking run. When was the last time he actually had a shot? Fucking hell. Hey, you wanna know which other striker never shoots? Say hello to Michael Owen. You're shit, Michael. You're slow, you're weak and you got pwned by Faye all day. You ran because your best buddy's the manager but all this shows is that you hadn't given a fuck for 29 games + the past 2 seasons. So fuck off, you little cunt. And what the fuck was with the Guthrie substitution? Yeah, why not sub out the best passer in our team and leave the useless fucking cunts - namely Nolan and Butt - on to help us win the match. We were fucking pathetic in the first half with that hybrid 3-5-2. Shearer needs to cut out his late nights to Glenn Hoddle because it probably cost us maximum points today.

 

I just don't know if the players understand the situation that we're in. They showed fuck all urgency in the first half; just dallying about, launching long balls to Ameobi, committing dumb fouls in our own half and not keeping the ball like a team that needs to do does so. It's infuriating how most of them look like they don't give a fuck. With the exception of Beye, Carroll and Jonas, none of them really seem like they give a fuck. Even someone like Bassong, who put in a decent performance, has the body language of someone who's comfortable whatever happens. Same with Nolan, R Taylor, local lad made good Shola and Butt. Why is Owen captain? When a dodgy decision goes against us, he's supposed to get in the ref's face and tell him to make the right decision next time. He's supposed to represent his teammates and the club. He does absolutely nothing to merit the captaincy; jogs around the pitch, never puts in a tackle (but maybe that's because he's never actually near enough to a defender to put one in) and never seems to encourage his teammates to improve. He can't fuck off fast enough.

 

A point is a point but we've drawn too many matches and we've still got some tough fixtures remaining so we better start fucking winning soon or else...

[Kaizero]

Owen to lead by example!!!! WFT???

 

If Shola and Owen start another game...

 

Owen is quality.

 

Shola is not.

 

Owen and Carroll is quality.

 

Owen and Shola is not.

 

Owen and Martins is not.

 

There.

 

I know you've got something against Oba but what has Owen done in let's say like last 15 games to convince you he should be starting? He's been pure shit. Top earner of the team and captain...maybe he should be performing just a bit better?

 

How many times do I have to say that Owen needs to be provided with chances, he's not fast enough anymore to make them himself. And that if given the chances, he scores. Which our other strikers don't.

 

And I don't have something against Oba especially, I just don't want shite playing for us. It's the same with Butt and Ameobi and so on.

 

so is our midfield magically going to learn to give him chance's??? NO so don't play him and give someone who's at least mobile, can win headers and keep a hold of the ball

 

A striker like Carroll is a provider as he's good in the air and can pick down balls for Owen. Owen is our best striker, and should be played at any time when fit. Only reason people here have something against Owen is because he's paid too much, which is fair enough. But he's still our greatest hope if we are looking to score those vital goals. Plus, with Barton back we could play a Barton - Guthire midfield, which would be an improvement on balls going forward, and not sideways or backwards.

[ElDiablo]

Decent point, thought before we'd lose that. Fucking unbelievable header, all the frustration of the game came out when that went in and I got some right funny looks, fuck em Thought we were terrible apart from that, at least that puts to bed any chance of Shola starting again, Carroll totally outshone him in half the time Shola had.

 

Think we've got a much better chance of getting 3 points against Spurs than we did today, for one thing we play better against teams who try to play football and Spurs have nothing to play for now and will hopefully be going through the motions.

 

We were shit today and are still well in the shit but that goal and point is a small beacon of hope and by Christ I'm going to cling onto it.

[Kaizero]

Owen to lead by example!!!! WFT???

 

If Shola and Owen start another game...

 

Owen is quality.

 

Shola is not.

 

Owen and Carroll is quality.

 

Owen and Shola is not.

 

Owen and Martins is not.

 

There.

 

I know you've got something against Oba but what has Owen done in let's say like last 15 games to convince you he should be starting? He's been pure shit. Top earner of the team and captain...maybe he should be performing just a bit better?

 

How many times do I have to say that Owen needs to be provided with chances, he's not fast enough anymore to make them himself. And that if given the chances, he scores. Which our other strikers don't.

 

And I don't have something against Oba especially, I just don't want shite playing for us. It's the same with Butt and Ameobi and so on.

 

But you thought starting Ameobi ahead of Martins (when we didn't know Martins was injured) was a good idea because Ameobi "might work".  Martins has been here a few years and scored 27 goals.  Shola has been here for nearly 10 years and scored 32 goals.  You don't have anything against Martins though do you?

 

I'm talking about partnering someone else than Martins with Owen, not Ameobi being a good idea to start in general, just something different to try out up front with Owen seeing how Martins and Owen absolutely not does not seem to blend well these days.

[Pilko]

Harper 6.5 - Dealt well with the crosses and long throw-ins from Stoke, did what he had to well. I still think he needs to lose a bit of weight, and although his kicking was still poor it was vastly improved from the Arsenal game.

 

R.Taylor 5 - Gets worse every week, the occasion when he was presented with about four seconds to tee up the ball, and ping a cross into the area, and he managed to put it out for a Stoke throw on the other side. I mean, for fucks sake. Once again, naff set pieces and some gash positioning.

 

Edgar 6 - Struggled manfully after being thrown in, made some good headers etc but was skinned time and again by fat 80's porn star Fuller, can't wait till we get rid of him like.

 

Beye 6 - Can't complain, made two excellent last ditch challenges to put first Etherington and later Pugh off at the back post to make them drag their shots wide - composed as ever but still a bit prone to being outmuscled.

 

Bassong 6 - Out of position and didn't look comfortable attacking down the left side, although defensively he was average, a few class turns and robberies of Stoke players was counter-balanced by some shit positioning and marking.

 

Guthrie 5.5 - Did little, as he feels his way back to fitness. Correctly removed by Shearer.

 

Nolan 5 - No anticipation, drive or ambition whatsoever. Made a few tidy passes in the last 20 minutes as we got more possesion, but he's still about two yards off the pace. Needs to join Harper on the Cambridge diet as soon as possible.

 

Butt 6 - Steady game, for once he made some excellent tackles and then popped the ball off three yards to keep possesion. Should have been captain. Doesn't get more than a 6 though because his shooting was wayward (again!) and he keeps trying these crossfield Paul Scholes type balls that never come off. At least he's trying though, not as bad as usual.

 

Duff 6.5 - Provided the cross for Carroll's equaliser and for once kept the ball in key areas well. You can tell Shearer's had words with him as his positioning and anticipation are far better. General delivery was hit and miss although 10 times better than Ryan Taylor's.

 

Owen 5 - Played very deep again, and when it's only Shola ahead of him that simply doesn't work. Was anonymous second half, one header saved by the keeper early doors and little else of note.

 

Ameobi 1 - People will say it's harsh giving him such a shit mark, but it's fully warranted. Where do I start? He can't mark from corners, he can't shoot, dribble, run with pace (one decent move ended up with Shola doing his walking in treacle impression as he tried to reach a through ball he was about 4 yards closer than slow meathead Wilkinson, who got there first) - he doesn't even try for gods sake. The funniest part was, as soon as Carroll was stripped and ready for action, he looked up, won a flick-on, then sprinted back and won possesion and gave it to Butt to launch an attack - funny that. The best bit is, his replacement scored and defended corners like a centre half, meaning this waste of space should be out of the team.

 

SUBS

 

Jonas 6.5 - Added endeavour and creativity to the attack and won a succession of free kicks. Kept the ball well, and although his crosses were awful, at least they tended to find the other winger on the opposite flank opposed to drifting for a throw-in.

 

Carroll 8 - Scored an excellent header to level the match, defended every corner with a dominant header (are you watching, Shola?) and generally put himself about, winning more headers than Ameobi in his 25 minutes. Has to start the next game.

 

SHEARER 7 - Correctly replaced Guthrie after the interval, and Ameobi (although he's marked down for starting him) and the players he brought on made noticeable differences.

[Beezeri]

Was Shearer f***ing high? Starts Ameobi, who's been s**** for about his whole life. Why can't our managers realise that he's f***ing s****? He's horrible. He can't head. He can't pass. He sure as f*** can't hold up the ball. He can't even f***ing run. When was the last time he actually had a shot? f***ing hell. Hey, you wanna know which other striker never shoots? Say hello to Michael Owen. You're s***, Michael. You're slow, you're weak and you got pwned by Faye all day. You ran because your best buddy's the manager but all this shows is that you hadn't given a f*** for 29 games + the past 2 seasons. So f*** off, you little c***. And what the f*** was with the Guthrie substitution? Yeah, why not sub out the best passer in our team and leave the useless f***ing c***s - namely Nolan and Butt - on to help us win the match. We were f***ing pathetic in the first half with that hybrid 3-5-2. Shearer needs to cut out his late nights to Glenn Hoddle because it probably cost us maximum points today.

 

I just don't know if the players understand the situation that we're in. They showed f*** all urgency in the first half; just dallying about, launching long balls to Ameobi, committing dumb fouls in our own half and not keeping the ball like a team that needs to do does so. It's infuriating how most of them look like they don't give a f***. With the exception of Beye, Carroll and Jonas, none of them really seem like they give a f***. Even someone like Bassong, who put in a decent performance, has the body language of someone who's comfortable whatever happens. Same with Nolan, R Taylor, local lad made good Shola and Butt. Why is Owen captain? When a dodgy decision goes against us, he's supposed to get in the ref's face and tell him to make the right decision next time. He's supposed to represent his teammates and the club. He does absolutely nothing to merit the captaincy; jogs around the pitch, never puts in a tackle (but maybe that's because he's never actually near enough to a defender to put one in) and never seems to encourage his teammates to improve. He can't f*** off fast enough.

 

A point is a point but we've drawn too many matches and we've still got some tough fixtures remaining so we better start f***ing winning soon or else...

 

A fucking quality post!

[Disco]

Shearer 7? That first half was the worst we've played bar Liverpool (h) and he did nowt about it until 60mins. 3-5-2? Who the fuck plays 3-5-2 these days?

[Taylor Swift]

The 2nd half of this game could be to Shearer & Newcastle United Football what the 2nd half at Brum was last year to KK & NUFC.

 

WELL DONE THE BIG AC!!!!

Was just about to say the same thing. What was learned from this game could be as big as what KK learned from the Birmingham game.

 

Shola should sit the rest of the season out. I think Taylor also seems to be taking a bit of time to adjust.

 

was a steep learning curve for Al today, but the way in which we finished the match is a good sign for the next fixture

 

What? What did we learn today that we didn't know before? That Jonas is needed for the team to look like they have any sort of attacking potency? That Owen is slow? That Ameobi is shite? That Beye is a god? That Butt and Nolan don't work in center midfield? What, in all honesty, did Shearer learn today that he couldn't have learnt from watching us week in week out for the past 30 matches? I thought he had used his critical faculties on the BBC and figured out why we're so shit but apparently not. I don't mean this at you personally, johnny. I'm just infuriated by the fact that Shearer's made the same mistakes as Hughton and Kinnear have made and the thing is, Shearer's been watching these mistakes being made for the whole fucking season, so why did he start with the players and formation that he did and why did he wait so long to change things around? It's definitely two points lost, not one point won, in my opinion.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Youve got to be on the wind up giving Butt a 6 Pilko.

 

 

 

 

[Jayson]

To be fair.......Guti did look class in more of a free role. But the fact he was brought on late with fresh legs will have helped also....

[NewJerseyMag]

Surely Carrol's shirt now... we need a battler in these circumstances. We need to get him knocking balls down to Owen to feed off. Work on that in training and I reckon it would work.

 

Oh, and keep on Jonas, got some legs about him. Now to get Barton back in the mid, its woefully slow. Edgar looked canny today too, so that gives another option at the back.

[Guest gggg]

Shearer needs to cut out his late nights to Glenn Hoddle because it probably cost us maximum points today.

 

Terry Venables more like.

[Jayson]

The 2nd half of this game could be to Shearer & Newcastle United Football what the 2nd half at Brum was last year to KK & NUFC.

 

WELL DONE THE BIG AC!!!!

Was just about to say the same thing. What was learned from this game could be as big as what KK learned from the Birmingham game.

 

Shola should sit the rest of the season out. I think Taylor also seems to be taking a bit of time to adjust.

 

was a steep learning curve for Al today, but the way in which we finished the match is a good sign for the next fixture

 

What? What did we learn today that we didn't know before? That Jonas is needed for the team to look like they have any sort of attacking potency? That Owen is slow? That Ameobi is s****? That Beye is a god? That Butt and Nolan don't work in center midfield? What, in all honesty, did Shearer learn today that he couldn't have learnt from watching us week in week out for the past 30 matches? I thought he had used his critical faculties on the BBC and figured out why we're so s*** but apparently not. I don't mean this at you personally, johnny. I'm just infuriated by the fact that Shearer's made the same mistakes as Hughton and Kinnear have made and the thing is, Shearer's been watching these mistakes being made for the whole f***ing season, so why did he start with the players and formation that he did and why did he wait so long to change things around? It's definitely two points lost, not one point won, in my opinion.

 

He obviously thouht he could make them perform....that they would change. He see's them in training.

 

Dont agree about owen atall, apart from the fact hes a crap captain. But Ameobi clearly performs in training and bottles it in every game now.....just gives up. Time to give up on him.

[Taylor Swift]

Owen to lead by example!!!! WFT???

 

If Shola and Owen start another game...

 

Owen is quality.

 

Shola is not.

 

Owen and Carroll is quality.

 

Owen and Shola is not.

 

Owen and Martins is not.

 

There.

 

I know you've got something against Oba but what has Owen done in let's say like last 15 games to convince you he should be starting? He's been pure shit. Top earner of the team and captain...maybe he should be performing just a bit better?

 

How many times do I have to say that Owen needs to be provided with chances, he's not fast enough anymore to make them himself. And that if given the chances, he scores. Which our other strikers don't.

 

And I don't have something against Oba especially, I just don't want shite playing for us. It's the same with Butt and Ameobi and so on.

 

so is our midfield magically going to learn to give him chance's??? NO so don't play him and give someone who's at least mobile, can win headers and keep a hold of the ball

 

A striker like Carroll is a provider as he's good in the air and can pick down balls for Owen. Owen is our best striker, and should be played at any time when fit. Only reason people here have something against Owen is because he's paid too much, which is fair enough. But he's still our greatest hope if we are looking to score those vital goals. Plus, with Barton back we could play a Barton - Guthire midfield, which would be an improvement on balls going forward, and not sideways or backwards.

 

Owen is our best striker? On what basis do you make this claim? Should he be partnered with Leo Messi before everyone will realise that he's slow, weak and shit?

[The Prophet]

Thought we defended well on the whole. We switched off for ten seconds and were punished, having said that it wasn't s corner.

 

Not sure why Shola is getting so much stick when Owen was bad if not worse.

[Taylor Swift]

Shearer needs to cut out his late nights to Glenn Hoddle because it probably cost us maximum points today.

 

Terry Venables more like.

 

I'm referring to the 3-5-2 but it's quite worrying that he's been chatting to those managers anyway.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Thought we defended well on the whole. We switched off for ten seconds and were punished, having said that it wasn't s corner.

Not sure why Shola is getting so much stick when Owen was bad if not worse.

 

No offense, but youre wrong.

[Thespence]

When will the Spurs thread be up, I am over this game now.

[Kaizero]

Owen to lead by example!!!! WFT???

 

If Shola and Owen start another game...

 

Owen is quality.

 

Shola is not.

 

Owen and Carroll is quality.

 

Owen and Shola is not.

 

Owen and Martins is not.

 

There.

 

I know you've got something against Oba but what has Owen done in let's say like last 15 games to convince you he should be starting? He's been pure shit. Top earner of the team and captain...maybe he should be performing just a bit better?

 

How many times do I have to say that Owen needs to be provided with chances, he's not fast enough anymore to make them himself. And that if given the chances, he scores. Which our other strikers don't.

 

And I don't have something against Oba especially, I just don't want shite playing for us. It's the same with Butt and Ameobi and so on.

 

so is our midfield magically going to learn to give him chance's??? NO so don't play him and give someone who's at least mobile, can win headers and keep a hold of the ball

 

A striker like Carroll is a provider as he's good in the air and can pick down balls for Owen. Owen is our best striker, and should be played at any time when fit. Only reason people here have something against Owen is because he's paid too much, which is fair enough. But he's still our greatest hope if we are looking to score those vital goals. Plus, with Barton back we could play a Barton - Guthire midfield, which would be an improvement on balls going forward, and not sideways or backwards.

 

Owen is our best striker? On what basis do you make this claim? Should he be partnered with Leo Messi before everyone will realise that he's slow, weak and shit?

 

Based on recent performances, and if you want to go all technical stat wise;

 

Martins: 27 goals in 82 apps.

Owen: 26 goals in 66 apps.

 

Also, he's not slow. But he's not fast either, he's just Joe Average speed-wise these days. He's not weak, he wins headers and score from them. And he's not shit, as he's one of the best finishers in the game.