Guest Heneage Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 ..we've lacked a flair player in midfield. If you go back through the seasons we've always had that entertainer,a player that while not always sound defensively but could turn a game, be it with a sublime pass or a tremendous solo effort, the type of player that could swing a dead ball in or cut a defence open with dribbling. The Robert's the Solano's, Beardsley's, Dyer to a lesser extent and even further back your Ginola. The central midfielders we have are all good enough but way to defensive, they are good workers but they just don't have that creative flair. It still saddens me we never went for Elano, and its why I think so many love Jonas, yes he rarely actually delivers but he at least attacks, he runs at defenders he tries to beat his man, when so many of our midfielders pass sideways or backwards. And this to an extent is why the lack of Barton pisses me off, don't get me wrong he is no Zola or Zidane, but for all he's worth the lad can pick a pass, he can create opportunities, he has what my Dad would call "A footballing brain" he can see the opportunities and the spaces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 ..we've lacked a flair player in midfield. If you go back through the seasons we've always had that entertainer,a player that while not always sound defensively but could turn a game, be it with a sublime pass or a tremendous solo effort, the type of player that could swing a dead ball in or cut a defence open with dribbling. The Robert's the Solano's, Beardsley's, Dyer to a lesser extent and even further back your Ginola. The central midfielders we have are all good enough but way to defensive, they are good workers but they just don't have that creative flair. It still saddens me we never went for Elano, and its why I think so many love Jonas, yes he rarely actually delivers but he at least attacks, he runs at defenders he tries to beat his man, when so many of our midfielders pass sideways or backwards. And this to an extent is why the lack of Barton pisses me off, don't get me wrong he is no Zola or Zidane, but for all he's worth the lad can pick a pass, he can create opportunities, he has what my Dad would call "A footballing brain" he can see the opportunities and the spaces. Describing players/clubs in a plural way. *SHUDDER* That aside. Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 we all know this mate, it's actually been obvious since we scraped a win against Bolton at home in August. Probably before that in fact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 While I agree we lack a flair player, I don't think any of our midfield players are good enough, perhaps save Guthrie and Guitierez on occassion. Nicky Butt is 3 years past it, Nolan is awful, Taylor mediocre, Duff's legs have gone, Barton a waste of space and Geremi see Duff. We lack flair but we also lack pace, real pace, both to get forward and to track back. Nolan for instance couldn't track back quick enough if his life depended on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I mean where's Geremi? For all the shite, I give the man credit he puts a good cross in now and again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I mean where's Geremi? For all the s****, I give the man credit he puts a good cross in now and again. absolutely, i've been advocating a place for Geremi in the starting lineup since last summer, it's never happened though, without injuries Had we had Geremi in place of Nicky Butt all season we'd have 45 points now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 yes we had lacked creativity in midfeld but thats not the real problem....selling our best players is. Best keeper in the league virtually given away to the richest club in the world and sold on credit!! unbeliveable Milner, the only right sided midfielder (Geremi doesn't count!) sold and not replaced N'Zogbia, bit of an attitude, player who needed an arm around and loved but he was the best left winger at the club and gave us an attacking outlet on the break with his pace, pace that is severely lacking. Emre sold, only midfielder we had who could create something, not replaced. If Given and Milner were still here we wouldn't be on the brink of relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I mean where's Geremi? For all the s****, I give the man credit he puts a good cross in now and again. absolutely, i've been advocating a place for Geremi in the starting lineup since last summer, it's never happened though, without injuries Had we had Geremi in place of Nicky Butt all season we'd have 45 points now Even early on he just worked, with a younger body around him he just played the simple passes didn't go too far past the half way line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Describing players/clubs in a plural way. *SHUDDER* That aside. Yes. Not plural though... Possessive apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 ....has been Mike Ashley! End fucking of! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 The fucking home game versus Stoke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Describing players/clubs in a plural way. *SHUDDER* That aside. Yes. Not plural though... Possessive apparently. Noted. *SHUDDER* squared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 ..we've lacked a flair player in midfield. If you go back through the seasons we've always had that entertainer,a player that while not always sound defensively but could turn a game, be it with a sublime pass or a tremendous solo effort, the type of player that could swing a dead ball in or cut a defence open with dribbling. The Robert's the Solano's, Beardsley's, Dyer to a lesser extent and even further back your Ginola. The central midfielders we have are all good enough but way to defensive, they are good workers but they just don't have that creative flair. It still saddens me we never went for Elano, and its why I think so many love Jonas, yes he rarely actually delivers but he at least attacks, he runs at defenders he tries to beat his man, when so many of our midfielders pass sideways or backwards. And this to an extent is why the lack of Barton pisses me off, don't get me wrong he is no Zola or Zidane, but for all he's worth the lad can pick a pass, he can create opportunities, he has what my Dad would call "A footballing brain" he can see the opportunities and the spaces. Nixypoos had an Alf Garnett moment in this post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Have been saying all season, right up until the last day of the January transfer window that we needed to add players with 'creativity' to the midfield - then we signed Nolan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 yes we had lacked creativity in midfeld but thats not the real problem....selling our best players is. Best keeper in the league virtually given away to the richest club in the world and sold on credit!! unbeliveable Milner, the only right sided midfielder (Geremi doesn't count!) sold and not replaced N'Zogbia, bit of an attitude, player who needed an arm around and loved but he was the best left winger at the club and gave us an attacking outlet on the break with his pace, pace that is severely lacking. Emre sold, only midfielder we had who could create something, not replaced. If Given and Milner were still here we wouldn't be on the brink of relegation. agreed - no width, no invention, little pace, zero motivation =relegation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I thought it was the fans that were the problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I thought it was the fans that were the problem? A massive part of the problem, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Ashley and his cronies he brought them in including Kinnear, tried to run the club without direction, lack of decision making and poor investment, now his investment shrinks further, deserves all he is about to receive, poor attendances next season, losing money on players whose contract is up and will not play in the championship league plus the purchase of players who are absolute tosh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 And this to an extent is why the lack of Barton pisses me off, don't get me wrong he is no Zola or Zidane, but for all he's worth the lad can pick a pass, he can create opportunities, he has what my Dad would call "A footballing brain" he can see the opportunities and the spaces. I'm sure this is why Shearer was so furious with Barton at the way he got himself sent off. He was our best hope of avoiding the drop and he chucks the chance away just to settle some petty feud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Wise - bloody Dennis Wise says it all Can ANYONE tell me what he was supposed to do other than unsettle everyone?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Thing is our CM's aren't even good defensively, bar Alan Smith perhaps. Nicky Butt, our anchor and defensive cover spends half of his time sprinting about leaving a huge hole where he should have been and he doesn't have the legs to get back, and Nolan is too fat to cover him well enough so then teams have a mass of space to play in. Yesterday at half time i would have taken Butt/Nolan off put Guthrie in the middle and stuck Loven out wide. A huge part of yesterday's problem is that we didn't play a winger on the right making our attacks even more predictable, and although Loven's best position is a striker he wouldn't have kept drifting in spreading Fulham out and making space for our strikers. I was tearing my hair out when Guthrie came off because although Nolan's alright in attack, he doesn't quite have the vision to play through balls, Guthrie does, he's the next best after Barton and i can't fathom why he doesn't start in the middle above everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 That moment when Ashley decided Wise Knew better than Keegan,,......destroyed the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I thought it was the fans that were the problem? Part of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DarkSchneider Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nacho getting crooked for good... I think he was ment to be our creative one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DarkSchneider Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Not using Geremi (I think that he could be the provider Owen needed) and he could actualy be a threat from free kicks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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