Guest Vincent V Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 We await to see how Thomo fits in the latest alleged developments with the shit he has been spouting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianovthetoon Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 How long do we have to wait until we start being a normal club again. Can this cunt not fuck off. If he waits until next summer, that will be nearly 2 years of the club just muddling through with no plan. Total disaster. It's a joke, we're like a listed building on the verge of falling down without the neccesary repair work, with the owner wanting to hang on another year in case the price of bricks gets cheaper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 How long do we have to wait until we start being a normal club again. Can this c*** not f*** off. If he waits until next summer, that will be nearly 2 years of the club just muddling through with no plan. Total disaster. It's a joke, we're like a listed building on the verge of falling down without the neccesary repair work, with the owner wanting to hang on another year in case the price of bricks gets cheaper Couldnt have put it better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 We await to see how Thomo fits in the latest alleged developments with the s*** he has been spouting. it's possible he was right but circumstances changed. i've heard such rumours myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Well if it fails to come off then I will be of the understanding the club was never seriously up for sale and the who charade has been a scam to slash wages and skip yet another transfer window, ffs if he wants 10m more then send Jonas off with collo carrying his luggage and let us start rebuilding a squad that wants to play for the shirt.. But they can keep that prick O'deary either way, he is to Villa fans that Wise is to us.. Well it wouldn't suprise me if his whole plan was never to sell but to give the impression, sell all the high earners and bring in cheap stock. Then if we get promoted he sells that cheap stock at a profit and he's a hero. I don't see why he'd need to pretend to sell the club to do that though. That's something everyone had already accepted had to be done anyway due to the £40m+ in lost revenue. You've confused me with that last sentence by the way. Well if he pretends to sell the club then selling the players is more palletable. I really don't know what the bloke is thinking, i'm just guessing trying to think what's going through his head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiekev Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Well if it fails to come off then I will be of the understanding the club was never seriously up for sale and the who charade has been a scam to slash wages and skip yet another transfer window, ffs if he wants 10m more then send Jonas off with collo carrying his luggage and let us start rebuilding a squad that wants to play for the shirt.. But they can keep that prick O'deary either way, he is to Villa fans that Wise is to us.. Well it wouldn't suprise me if his whole plan was never to sell but to give the impression, sell all the high earners and bring in cheap stock. Then if we get promoted he sells that cheap stock at a profit and he's a hero. I don't see why he'd need to pretend to sell the club to do that though. That's something everyone had already accepted had to be done anyway due to the £40m+ in lost revenue. You've confused me with that last sentence by the way. So he could kill 3 birds with one stone, Fail to buy players during yet another wasted transfer window, rid the club of a manager that has a spine (Shearer) and finally cash in on out going players although this would have had to be done regardless of new owners and has in truth been a long time overdue. But remember all this is more than likely bullshit and just us getting pissed at the fact our club is still sitting in limbo with us remaining both deaf and blind to what is going on, Ashley will be sitting loving it that we the fans that detest him or being put through turmoil.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 We await to see how Thomo fits in the latest alleged developments with the shit he has been spouting. Fuck me... Did he fuck your sister??? All you do is give him shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 We await to see how Thomo fits in the latest alleged developments with the shit he has been spouting. Why don't you just fuck off with your specially created nick? That would be the best solution to a lessening of bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Well if it fails to come off then I will be of the understanding the club was never seriously up for sale and the who charade has been a scam to slash wages and skip yet another transfer window, ffs if he wants 10m more then send Jonas off with collo carrying his luggage and let us start rebuilding a squad that wants to play for the shirt.. But they can keep that prick O'deary either way, he is to Villa fans that Wise is to us.. Well it wouldn't suprise me if his whole plan was never to sell but to give the impression, sell all the high earners and bring in cheap stock. Then if we get promoted he sells that cheap stock at a profit and he's a hero. I don't see why he'd need to pretend to sell the club to do that though. That's something everyone had already accepted had to be done anyway due to the £40m+ in lost revenue. You've confused me with that last sentence by the way. So he could kill 3 birds with one stone, Fail to buy players during yet another wasted transfer window, rid the club of a manager that has a spine (Shearer) and finally cash in on out going players although this would have had to be done regardless of new owners and has in truth been a long time overdue. But remember all this is more than likely bullshit and just us getting pissed at the fact our club is still sitting in limbo with us remaining both deaf and blind to what is going on, Ashley will be sitting loving it that we the fans that detest him or being put through turmoil.. I agree with the bullshit bit Not a shot at you mind, just like you said I think these conspiracy theories are fucking nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Well if it fails to come off then I will be of the understanding the club was never seriously up for sale and the who charade has been a scam to slash wages and skip yet another transfer window, ffs if he wants 10m more then send Jonas off with collo carrying his luggage and let us start rebuilding a squad that wants to play for the shirt.. But they can keep that prick O'deary either way, he is to Villa fans that Wise is to us.. Well it wouldn't suprise me if his whole plan was never to sell but to give the impression, sell all the high earners and bring in cheap stock. Then if we get promoted he sells that cheap stock at a profit and he's a hero. I don't see why he'd need to pretend to sell the club to do that though. That's something everyone had already accepted had to be done anyway due to the £40m+ in lost revenue. You've confused me with that last sentence by the way. So he could kill 3 birds with one stone, Fail to buy players during yet another wasted transfer window, rid the club of a manager that has a spine (Shearer) and finally cash in on out going players although this would have had to be done regardless of new owners and has in truth been a long time overdue. But remember all this is more than likely bullshit and just us getting pissed at the fact our club is still sitting in limbo with us remaining both deaf and blind to what is going on, Ashley will be sitting loving it that we the fans that detest him or being put through turmoil.. I agree with the bullshit bit Not a shot at you mind, just I think the conspiracy theories are fucking nonsense. Can't you see why they're coming up though? How do you explain what's (not) happened in the last NINE weeks; is the club suddenly going to jump up in value? Is the squad suddenly going to start ripping the opposition to shreds? Things are getting worse all the time and yet Ashley is still here. That's fucking nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vincent V Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 We await to see how Thomo fits in the latest alleged developments with the s*** he has been spouting. f*** me... Did he f*** your sister??? All you do is give him s***. He is talking shit and despite repeated requests for him provide to some evidence to back up his claims he is yet to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 so basically no one has a clue whats going on not even caulkin. Par for the course then. However just to play devils advocate here there are some who are saying that the sale thing was a ploy to avoid the transfer window and offload the big earners but while point one may be true point two there doesnt seem to be that much evidence for, after all its only a few weeks til the window closes and many big earners are still here, if he was trying that don't you think there would have been more outgoings? Suppose all will become clear(er) in time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 We await to see how Thomo fits in the latest alleged developments with the s*** he has been spouting. f*** me... Did he f*** your sister??? All you do is give him s***. He is talking s*** and despite repeated requests for him provide to some evidence to back up his claims he is yet to do so. how can he provide evidence without saying "my source is XXXXXXXX" and probably dropping them in the shit ? if you don't believe it fair enough but why the petty vendetta ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 V for vendetta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Well if it fails to come off then I will be of the understanding the club was never seriously up for sale and the who charade has been a scam to slash wages and skip yet another transfer window, ffs if he wants 10m more then send Jonas off with collo carrying his luggage and let us start rebuilding a squad that wants to play for the shirt.. But they can keep that prick O'deary either way, he is to Villa fans that Wise is to us.. Well it wouldn't suprise me if his whole plan was never to sell but to give the impression, sell all the high earners and bring in cheap stock. Then if we get promoted he sells that cheap stock at a profit and he's a hero. I don't see why he'd need to pretend to sell the club to do that though. That's something everyone had already accepted had to be done anyway due to the £40m+ in lost revenue. You've confused me with that last sentence by the way. So he could kill 3 birds with one stone, Fail to buy players during yet another wasted transfer window, rid the club of a manager that has a spine (Shearer) and finally cash in on out going players although this would have had to be done regardless of new owners and has in truth been a long time overdue. But remember all this is more than likely bullshit and just us getting pissed at the fact our club is still sitting in limbo with us remaining both deaf and blind to what is going on, Ashley will be sitting loving it that we the fans that detest him or being put through turmoil.. I agree with the bullshit bit Not a shot at you mind, just I think the conspiracy theories are fucking nonsense. Can't you see why they're coming up though? How do you explain what's (not) happened in the last NINE weeks; is the club suddenly going to jump up in value? Is the squad suddenly going to start ripping the opposition to shreds? Things are getting worse all the time and yet Ashley is still here. That's fucking nonsense. They're just crazy ways to explain something that's pretty simple IMO. IMO the explanation is that Ashley's a horrible stubborn prick who understands nothing about Football. We got relegated, Ashley thought we could sell all the high earners and bring in shit and come back up with Shearer in charge. Shearer told him we needed to keep a decent amount of them AND spend some of the money we got for the rest on some decent young players who could develop into Premiership players. At which point Ashley says fuck it I'm out, someone take the club off my hands for £100m. But people aren't offering £100m, they're offering £75m or £85m or whatever and he won't take it. He managed to swallow making a £150m loss and now he's being asked to take an even higher one and his stubborn nature won't allow him to back down even further then he already has. Meanwhile due to his massive lack of Footballing knowledge he's finally realising something he should have realised at least a month ago, that the club can't be allowed to drift on like it has. That if people aren't willing to pay the £100m now they never will as the club will be in an even bigger mess if more players go and nobody is brought in before the transfer window. So now he thinks he might gamble yet again on putting more money in to cover losses this season, bring in some shit players with a shit manager and hope we can go up. At which point he'll hope to sell for more then twice what he's being offered now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Well if it fails to come off then I will be of the understanding the club was never seriously up for sale and the who charade has been a scam to slash wages and skip yet another transfer window, ffs if he wants 10m more then send Jonas off with collo carrying his luggage and let us start rebuilding a squad that wants to play for the shirt.. But they can keep that prick O'deary either way, he is to Villa fans that Wise is to us.. Well it wouldn't suprise me if his whole plan was never to sell but to give the impression, sell all the high earners and bring in cheap stock. Then if we get promoted he sells that cheap stock at a profit and he's a hero. I don't see why he'd need to pretend to sell the club to do that though. That's something everyone had already accepted had to be done anyway due to the £40m+ in lost revenue. You've confused me with that last sentence by the way. So he could kill 3 birds with one stone, Fail to buy players during yet another wasted transfer window, rid the club of a manager that has a spine (Shearer) and finally cash in on out going players although this would have had to be done regardless of new owners and has in truth been a long time overdue. But remember all this is more than likely bullshit and just us getting pissed at the fact our club is still sitting in limbo with us remaining both deaf and blind to what is going on, Ashley will be sitting loving it that we the fans that detest him or being put through turmoil.. I agree with the bullshit bit Not a shot at you mind, just I think the conspiracy theories are fucking nonsense. Can't you see why they're coming up though? How do you explain what's (not) happened in the last NINE weeks; is the club suddenly going to jump up in value? Is the squad suddenly going to start ripping the opposition to shreds? Things are getting worse all the time and yet Ashley is still here. That's fucking nonsense. They're just crazy ways to explain something that's pretty simple IMO. Ashley's a horrible stubborn prick who understands nothing about Football. We got relegated, Ashley thought we could sell all the high earners and bring in shit and come back up with Shearer in charge. Shearer told him we needed to keep a decent amount of them AND spend some of the money we got for the rest on some decent young players who could develop into Premiership players. At which point Ashley says fuck it I'm out, someone take the club off my hands for £100m. But people aren't offering £100m, they're offering £75m or £85m or whatever and he won't take it. He managed to swallow making a £150m loss and now he's being asked to take a even higher one and his stubborn nature won't allow him the back down. Meanwhile due to his massive lack of Footballing knowledge he's finally realising something he should have realised at least a month ago, that the club can't be allowed to drift on like it has. That if people aren't willing to pay the £100m now they never will as the club will be in an even bigger mess if more players go and nobody is brought in before the transfer window. So now he thinks he might gamble yet again on putting more money in to cover losses this season, bring in some shit players with a shit manager and hope we can go up. At which point he'll hope to sell for more then twice what he's being offered now. Seems a fair enough summary, but then half of what you say there makes up what you claim are the 'nonsense' conspiracy theories. Namely fucking Shearer off, that he knows best and bollocks to the club in the meantime. I don't see the problem whatsoever in people speculating. It's all anyone is doing because frankly nobody can second guess the twat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianovthetoon Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 They're just silly ways to explain something that's pretty simple IMO. Ashley's a horrible stubborn prick who understands nothing about Football. We got relegated, Ashley thought we could sell all the high earners and bring in shit and come back up with Shearer in charge. Shearer told him we needed to keep a decent amount of them AND spend some of the money we got for the rest on some decent young players who could develop into Premiership players. At which point Ashley says fuck it I'm out, someone take the club off my hands for £100m. But people aren't offering £100m, they're offering £75m or £85m or whatever and he won't take it. He managed to swallow making a £150m loss and now he's being asked to take a even higher one and his stubborn nature won't allow him the back down. Meanwhile due to his massive lack of Footballing knowledge he's finally realising something he should have realised at least a month ago, that the club can't be allowed to drift on like it has. That if people aren't willing to pay the £100m now they never will as the club will be in an even bigger mess if more players go and nobody is brought in before the transfer window. So now he thinks he might gamble yet again on putting more money in to cover losses this season, bring in some shit players with a shit manager and hope we can go up. At which point he'll hope to sell for more then twice what he's being offered now. In a nutshell, although I'm amazed Seymour Pierce are still trying to broker a deal for this man. Keith Harris is well placed to explain to Ashley the gamble this would be. If, let's say he puts in another £30M, this takes his outlay to £260M. We get promoted, he gets £200M, not as big of a loss. If on the other hand we don't go up, he's looking at around £40-50M tops I reckon, his loss has nearly doubled. On top of the financial hit, his reputation will have taken a huge blow. He sells now, walks away, becomes a recluse again. He keeps us, derisory songs are sung from the terraces week in week out, some even broadcast on TV. We go up, he wins a little credibility back, we stay where we are the abuse undoubtedly continues until he leaves. If things aen't going well on the pitch, whoever he gives the job to (other than Shearer) has the crowd on their back. If it's JFK from day one, he will not be accepted back by the fans, he's made crass comments about how deluded we all are. Every way I look at this, I just can't see Ashley staying. If he does and goes with one of his cronies to run the team , he's either intent on damaging us beyond any short term repair, or being advised by incredibly stupid people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Dave The bit about Shearer isn't a conspiracy theory though. Lambias/Ashley both said they wanted Shearer to be manager and they'd asked him to provide them with a plan to take the club forward. Shortly after that Ashley announced he was selling, so what else changed his mind? Shearer has also said himself that he gave them his ideas and was then told Ashley was deciding to sell. Obviously there's some theory in my post, but I wouldn't say its much of a conspiracy like. Certainly not to the level of claiming that he's just pretended to want to sell the club for months so he can do things he could already do anyway. Or that he's not bothered about losing money as long as he can take the club down as far as possible in order to hurt the fans as revenge. Those are the kind of theories I think are nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I said I heard Rankin was involved.. Barry Moat may be sharing a Tandem for Newcastle bid • Moat may use his Tandem Bars company to buy club • Venture was set up with local businessman Allan Rankin http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/aug/11/newcastle-united-takeoner-barry-moat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Mincoff Jacksons' senior partner, Howard Gold, yesterday claimed Tandem Bars had nothing to do with Moat's reported bid for Newcastle. But when invited to state categorically that Rankin was not involved in the purchase of the club, Gold refused, citing client confidentiality. Interesting...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I said I heard Rankin was involved.. Barry Moat may be sharing a Tandem for Newcastle bid Moat may use his Tandem Bars company to buy club Venture was set up with local businessman Allan Rankin http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/aug/11/newcastle-united-takeoner-barry-moat Bery investigative type of work here by them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca888 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I think much of the problem relates to the Ashley's request for the 100 million loan to be repaid to him. I dont think any prospective buyer would have a problem paying 100 million for a club with the ptoential we have. It is more to do with Ashley wanting the loan back. Also, didnt Seymour Pierce say that a decision on the sale should be finalised before the end of the month? I think this 24 hour thing currently doing the rounds in the paper is nonsense. Ashley will try to get as much as possible from prospective buyers and if he decides to stay on, he must put some money into the club in order to achieve promotion or else the value of the club will further reduce and his losses will be even bigger. He is really in a difficult position personally and has to gamble on winning promotion immediately. To do that, he has to spend money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmag Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 We await to see how Thomo fits in the latest alleged developments with the s*** he has been spouting. Shut up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordie Boyo Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Mincoff Jacksons' senior partner, Howard Gold, yesterday claimed Tandem Bars had nothing to do with Moat's reported bid for Newcastle. But when invited to state categorically that Rankin was not involved in the purchase of the club, Gold refused, citing client confidentiality. Interesting...... Not really. Howard is a highly respected partner amongst the Mincoffs firm and clients confidentiality is always kept. He can't say anything, even if he would like to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I think much of the problem relates to the Ashley's request for the 100 million loan to be repaid to him. I dont think any prospective buyer would have a problem paying 100 million for a club with the ptoential we have. It is more to do with Ashley wanting the loan back. Also, didnt Seymour Pierce say that a decision on the sale should be finalised before the end of the month? I think this 24 hour thing currently doing the rounds in the paper is nonsense. Ashley will try to get as much as possible from prospective buyers and if he decides to stay on, he must put some money into the club in order to achieve promotion or else the value of the club will further reduce and his losses will be even bigger. He is really in a difficult position personally and has to gamble on winning promotion immediately. To do that, he has to spend money. This is almost exactly what people said when they wanted rid of Fat Fred in the first place. Fat Fred, "the worst person in the world who could be running the club" apparently. The only difference is you're now babbling on about winning promotion versus challenging to win the PL. It was said by many people that anyone taking over the club would do better than Fat boy Fred because a new owner would automatically invest in the team/squad and of course they wouldn't spout rubbish to the press like Fred did. Well, it didn't work out that way and it won't necessarily work out again. The point you're missing is that this bloke doesn't give a shit about the club, unlike the despised Fat Fred. Ashley doesn't have to do anything like what you describe because : 1. he can afford to lose more money, lots of it, I'd say. 2. he is a gambler 3. he is stupid when it comes to the "business" of football. His strength (or luck, really) appears to have been a one-off spot of a gap in the market for very cheap products. He can afford to lose everything he's put into the football club and still be a very, very, very rich man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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